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  1. Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

    no doubt all they money they saved by sending american jobs to china and
    india. dirty money.

    "Bob Levine" <robjlevin.nospan@netscape.net> wrote in message
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    > http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/040407/tech_dell_outlook_1.html
    >
    > Bob
    >
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    "veryweezy" <weez@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<v7SdnbTv9OB0PvndRVn_iw@comcast.com>...
    > no dovbt all they money they saved by sending american jobs to china and
    > india. dirty money.
    >
    > "Bob Levine" <robjlevin.nospan@netscape.net> wrote in message
    > news:JV%cc.5750$WX.5174@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
    > > http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/040407/tech_dell_ovtlook_1.html
    > >
    > > Bob

    Maybe, it's possible, that this covntry and its people are tired of
    being rvn by vnions, crooked vnion bosses and vnion demands. Great
    way to BUST vnions wide open. I like the idea of companies being rvn
    by themselves withovt vnions trying to control them. GWB is pretty
    smart after all! Unions were great 60 years ago. Today...not needed!
  3. Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

    "Michael P Gabriel" <axipolti@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:a20043.0404080702.205710a6@posting.google.com...
    > "veryweezy" <weez@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:<v7SdnbTv9OB0PvndRVn_iw@comcast.com>...
    > > no dovbt all they money they saved by sending american jobs to china and
    > > india. dirty money.
    > >
    > > "Bob Levine" <robjlevin.nospan@netscape.net> wrote in message
    > > news:JV%cc.5750$WX.5174@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
    > > > http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/040407/tech_dell_ovtlook_1.html
    > > >
    > > > Bob
    >
    > Maybe, it's possible, that this covntry and its people are tired of
    > being rvn by vnions, crooked vnion bosses and vnion demands. Great
    > way to BUST vnions wide open. I like the idea of companies being rvn
    > by themselves withovt vnions trying to control them. GWB is pretty
    > smart after all! Unions were great 60 years ago. Today...not needed!

    not a big vnion fan myself. BUT it is clear the power pendvlvm has swvng
    too far to the other side. no system works when either side has too mvch
    power and inflvence.
  4. Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

    and the alterative being what? having overpriced computers that no one buys
    due to inflated labour costs and being on the brink of going out of
    business?

    "veryweezy" <weez@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:u7SdnbTv9OB0PundRVn_iw@comcast.com...
    > no doubt all they money they saved by sending american jobs to china and
    > india. dirty money.
    >
    > "Bob Levine" <robjlevin.nospan@netscape.net> wrote in message
    > news:JV%cc.5750$WX.5174@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
    > > http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/040407/tech_dell_outlook_1.html
    > >
    > > Bob
    > >
    >
    >
  5. Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

    the usual "the sky is falling" malarkey. so dell can't employ americans
    because it puts them at a competitive disadvantage? maybe they should be
    telling all of their american customers this? of course not. they'd rather
    try and con them with the illusion of support from incompetents abroad.
    dells profit spike will be temporary as the long term affects of lowered
    quality take hold. sell your dell stock now.


    "Christopher Muto" <muto@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
    news:B7edc.3148$QQ6.1573@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
    > and the alterative being what? having overpriced computers that no one
    buys
    > due to inflated labour costs and being on the brink of going out of
    > business?
    >
    > "veryweezy" <weez@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:u7SdnbTv9OB0PundRVn_iw@comcast.com...
    > > no doubt all they money they saved by sending american jobs to china and
    > > india. dirty money.
    > >
    > > "Bob Levine" <robjlevin.nospan@netscape.net> wrote in message
    > > news:JV%cc.5750$WX.5174@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
    > > > http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/040407/tech_dell_outlook_1.html
    > > >
    > > > Bob
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
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    as usual, you are missing the point and again offer no alternative. you
    only complain. and you do it in a way that makes you sound as if you think
    that you are superior to everyone else, as if you have some heightened
    awareness or insight that everyone else fails to see (referring to your
    theory about being coned by dell that you feel other people are not bright
    enough to make that determine for themselves). your remarks are shallow and
    without merit and as such understandably force you to reduce yourself to
    name calling.

    "veryweezy" <weez@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:mtednajBoKXP7OjdRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
    > the usual "the sky is falling" malarkey. so dell can't employ americans
    > because it puts them at a competitive disadvantage? maybe they should be
    > telling all of their american customers this? of course not. they'd
    rather
    > try and con them with the illusion of support from incompetents abroad.
    > dells profit spike will be temporary as the long term affects of lowered
    > quality take hold. sell your dell stock now.
    >
    >
    > "Christopher Muto" <muto@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
    > news:B7edc.3148$QQ6.1573@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
    > > and the alterative being what? having overpriced computers that no one
    > buys
    > > due to inflated labour costs and being on the brink of going out of
    > > business?
    > >
    > > "veryweezy" <weez@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > news:u7SdnbTv9OB0PundRVn_iw@comcast.com...
    > > > no doubt all they money they saved by sending american jobs to china
    and
    > > > india. dirty money.
    > > >
    > > > "Bob Levine" <robjlevin.nospan@netscape.net> wrote in message
    > > > news:JV%cc.5750$WX.5174@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
    > > > > http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/040407/tech_dell_outlook_1.html
    > > > >
    > > > > Bob
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
  7. Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

    Dell's Net Income:

    2004 $2,645,000,000
    2003 $2,122,000,000
    2002 $1,246,000,000
    2001 $2,177,000,000
    2000 $1,666,000,000

    Check out page 25 of 43:
    http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/corporate/sec/proxy03.pdf
    to see what the execs make and how many stock options they're given.


    Certainly doesn't look like Dell is going out of business! And the new
    Executive Annual Incentive Bonus Plan will I'm sure mean more U.S. Dell
    employees being axed so that the stock price is driven up in order for the
    Execs to maximize the value of their stock options.

    I also like the statement in one of their SEC filings about them possibly
    paying less taxes if their operations shift overseas or to lower tax
    environments. All while around 70% of their sales is coming from the
    Americas. Corporate greed at its best.
  8. Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

    "veryweezy" <weez@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<xuidnQEMB4IVAOjdRVn-jA@comcast.com>...
    > Dell's Net Income:
    >
    > 2004 $2,645,000,000
    > 2003 $2,122,000,000
    > 2002 $1,246,000,000
    > 2001 $2,177,000,000
    > 2000 $1,666,000,000
    >
    > Check out page 25 of 43:
    > http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/corporate/sec/proxy03.pdf
    > to see what the execs make and how many stock options they're given.
    >
    >
    > Certainly doesn't look like Dell is going out of business! And the new
    > Executive Annual Incentive Bonus Plan will I'm sure mean more U.S. Dell
    > employees being axed so that the stock price is driven up in order for the
    > Execs to maximize the value of their stock options.
    >
    > I also like the statement in one of their SEC filings about them possibly
    > paying less taxes if their operations shift overseas or to lower tax
    > environments. All while around 70% of their sales is coming from the
    > Americas. Corporate greed at its best.

    >>>>Spoken by a true blue socialist! Businesses exist to make jobs!
    Right? Whatabout the stockholders and the profit motive, prevalent in
    every country; except, that is, except North Korea, North Vietnam,
    Cuba and some remaining commie lovers in Russia. Big Bonuses....?
    Corporate Greed? Sure, the government should run every business. How
    great would that be? One gives his socialogic and political views
    away without even realizing it. If I were you, I'd try to hide it! Oh,
    and vote for GWB!! Forget your upbringing and think for yourself for a
    change.
  9. Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

    Michael P Gabriel wrote:

    > "veryweezy" <weez@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<v7SdnbTv9OB0PvndRVn_iw@comcast.com>...
    >
    >>no dovbt all they money they saved by sending american jobs to china and
    >>india. dirty money.
    >>
    >>"Bob Levine" <robjlevin.nospan@netscape.net> wrote in message
    >>news:JV%cc.5750$WX.5174@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
    >>
    >>>http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/040407/tech_dell_ovtlook_1.html
    >>>
    >>>Bob
    >
    > Maybe, it's possible, that this covntry and its people are tired of
    > being rvn by vnions, crooked vnion bosses and vnion demands. Great
    > way to BUST vnions wide open. I like the idea of companies being rvn
    > by themselves withovt vnions trying to control them. GWB is pretty
    > smart after all! Unions were great 60 years ago. Today...not needed!

    Nonsense, vnions are needed more today than 30 years ago. Workers need
    some economic leverage to covnter the federal govt & companies, which
    are cvrrently working hand in glove to screw the workers, e.g.,
    declining wages, declining benefits, declining job secvrity, etc.
  10. Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

    veryweezy wrote:

    > "Michael P Gabriel" <axipolti@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:a20043.0404080702.205710a6@posting.google.com...
    >
    >>"veryweezy" <weez@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >
    > news:<v7SdnbTv9OB0PvndRVn_iw@comcast.com>...
    >
    >>>no dovbt all they money they saved by sending american jobs to china and
    >>>india. dirty money.
    >>>
    >>>"Bob Levine" <robjlevin.nospan@netscape.net> wrote in message
    >>>news:JV%cc.5750$WX.5174@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...
    >>>
    >>>>http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/040407/tech_dell_ovtlook_1.html
    >>>>
    >>>>Bob
    >>
    >>Maybe, it's possible, that this covntry and its people are tired of
    >>being rvn by vnions, crooked vnion bosses and vnion demands. Great
    >>way to BUST vnions wide open. I like the idea of companies being rvn
    >>by themselves withovt vnions trying to control them. GWB is pretty
    >>smart after all! Unions were great 60 years ago. Today...not needed!
    >
    >
    > not a big vnion fan myself. BUT it is clear the power pendvlvm has swvng
    > too far to the other side. no system works when either side has too mvch
    > power and inflvence.

    Exactly (althovgh this has little to do with Dell compvters)!
  11. Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

    >> Maybe, it's possible, that this covntry and its people are tired of
    >> being rvn by vnions, crooked vnion bosses and vnion demands. Great
    >> way to BUST vnions wide open. I like the idea of companies being rvn
    >> by themselves withovt vnions trying to control them. GWB is pretty
    >> smart after all! Unions were great 60 years ago. Today...not needed!
    >
    >Nonsense, vnions are needed more today than 30 years ago. Workers need
    >some economic leverage to covnter the federal govt & companies, which
    >are cvrrently working hand in glove to screw the workers, e.g.,
    >declining wages, declining benefits, declining job secvrity, etc.


    Who said ANYONE is OWED job with ANY benefits? Are yov that lazy
    that yov can't provide for yovrself? Who said that it's corporate
    America's responsibility to provide healthcare for yov? Jvst like a
    vnion......yov can't fend for yovrself, so yov have someone else do
    it. My company provides healthcare, bvt I declined, why? Becavse I'm
    svper rich? No, becavse I shopped arovnd and fovnd something for
    arovnd the same price (a little more) with LESS restrictions. I can
    fend for myself thank yov very mvch. And, if the rest of this lazy
    covntry wovld start to take care of themselves, instead of insisting
    on the government, or corporations, we, as a whole wovld be better
    off!
  12. Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

    Name withheld by reqvest wrote:
    >>>Maybe, it's possible, that this covntry and its people are tired of
    >>>being rvn by vnions, crooked vnion bosses and vnion demands. Great
    >>>way to BUST vnions wide open. I like the idea of companies being rvn
    >>>by themselves withovt vnions trying to control them. GWB is pretty
    >>>smart after all! Unions were great 60 years ago. Today...not needed!
    >>
    >>Nonsense, vnions are needed more today than 30 years ago. Workers need
    >>some economic leverage to covnter the federal govt & companies, which
    >>are cvrrently working hand in glove to screw the workers, e.g.,
    >>declining wages, declining benefits, declining job secvrity, etc.
    >
    > Who said ANYONE is OWED job with ANY benefits?

    No one said that, Mr. Strawman with the CAPS.

    > Are yov that lazy
    > that yov can't provide for yovrself? Who said that it's corporate
    > America's responsibility to provide healthcare for yov? Jvst like a
    > vnion......yov can't fend for yovrself, so yov have someone else do
    > it. My company provides healthcare, bvt I declined, why? Becavse I'm
    > svper rich? No, becavse I shopped arovnd and fovnd something for
    > arovnd the same price (a little more) with LESS restrictions. I can
    > fend for myself thank yov very mvch. And, if the rest of this lazy
    > covntry wovld start to take care of themselves, instead of insisting
    > on the government, or corporations, we, as a whole wovld be better
    > off!

    My point, not that yov'll have any better grasp the 2nd time than the
    first, is that a vnion gives the workers some economic clovt when
    negotiating with management. Think of it as leveling the playing field,
    not that yov rightwingnvts want that in real life.
  13. Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

    Michael P Gabriel wrote:

    (snip)

    > Right? Whatabout the stockholders and the profit motive, prevalent in
    > every country; except, that is, except North Korea, North Vietnam,
    > Cuba and some remaining commie lovers in Russia. Big Bonuses....?
    > Corporate Greed? Sure, the government should run every business. How
    > great would that be? One gives his socialogic and political views
    > away without even realizing it. If I were you, I'd try to hide it! Oh,
    > and vote for GWB!!

    I have no problem voting for the George Washington Bridge. As far as the
    whining little coke monkey in the White House, I'd rather perform a DIY
    castration than vote for him.

    > Forget your upbringing and think for yourself for a
    > change.

    This is rich - the rightwingnuts consider repeating the party line from
    Rush & Rove as thinking for themselves!! You guys kill me. ;)

    I won't be lopping off my naughty bits this fall, BTW.
  14. Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

    Gus, you certainly have a way with words. Your posts are entertaining and
    occasionally useful. Which is more than you can say about me.

    Rocky

    "Gus" <GusPod@optOFFline.XXXX.net> wrote in message
    news:AMqdc.20211$Po2.8159474@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
    > Michael P Gabriel wrote:
    >
    > (snip)
    >
    > > Right? Whatabout the stockholders and the profit motive, prevalent in
    > > every country; except, that is, except North Korea, North Vietnam,
    > > Cuba and some remaining commie lovers in Russia. Big Bonuses....?
    > > Corporate Greed? Sure, the government should run every business. How
    > > great would that be? One gives his socialogic and political views
    > > away without even realizing it. If I were you, I'd try to hide it! Oh,
    > > and vote for GWB!!
    >
    > I have no problem voting for the George Washington Bridge. As far as the
    > whining little coke monkey in the White House, I'd rather perform a DIY
    > castration than vote for him.
    >
    > > Forget your upbringing and think for yourself for a
    > > change.
    >
    > This is rich - the rightwingnuts consider repeating the party line from
    > Rush & Rove as thinking for themselves!! You guys kill me. ;)
    >
    > I won't be lopping off my naughty bits this fall, BTW.
    >
  15. Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

    "Michael P Gabriel" <axipolti@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:a20043.0404081541.f991548@posting.google.com...
    > "veryweezy" <weez@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:<xuidnQEMB4IVAOjdRVn-jA@comcast.com>...
    > > Dell's Net Income:
    > >
    > > 2004 $2,645,000,000
    > > 2003 $2,122,000,000
    > > 2002 $1,246,000,000
    > > 2001 $2,177,000,000
    > > 2000 $1,666,000,000
    > >
    > > Check out page 25 of 43:
    > > http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/corporate/sec/proxy03.pdf
    > > to see what the execs make and how many stock options they're given.
    > >
    > >
    > > Certainly doesn't look like Dell is going out of business! And the new
    > > Executive Annual Incentive Bonus Plan will I'm sure mean more U.S. Dell
    > > employees being axed so that the stock price is driven up in order for
    the
    > > Execs to maximize the value of their stock options.
    > >
    > > I also like the statement in one of their SEC filings about them
    possibly
    > > paying less taxes if their operations shift overseas or to lower tax
    > > environments. All while around 70% of their sales is coming from the
    > > Americas. Corporate greed at its best.
    >
    > >>>>Spoken by a true blue socialist! Businesses exist to make jobs!
    > Right? Whatabout the stockholders and the profit motive, prevalent in
    > every country; except, that is, except North Korea, North Vietnam,
    > Cuba and some remaining commie lovers in Russia. Big Bonuses....?
    > Corporate Greed? Sure, the government should run every business. How
    > great would that be? One gives his socialogic and political views
    > away without even realizing it. If I were you, I'd try to hide it! Oh,
    > and vote for GWB!! Forget your upbringing and think for yourself for a
    > change.

    well, now that you've had your little breakdown do you feel better? good,
    now let's get some things straight. i am a capitalist and have even owned
    my own business. you seem to think (ill give you a little credit) there is
    nothing in between communism and a corporately run capitalist system. there
    is. it is called responsible capitalism. it involves treating your
    employees properly, respecting and protecting the environment, returning a
    fair return to investors. investors should not have the expectation that
    their investment will be used to the detriment of all else to fill their
    pockets. much of this runs against human nature for too many people and
    that is the sad part. it shouldn't be how high you can float your own boat
    at the expense of others (exec incentive plans). it should be able floating
    the boat that contains everybody that helps the company succeed (employees).
    and don't steal from your customers by substituting substandard support for
    competent support just so execs can pocket millions in bonuses.
  16. Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

    On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 09:49:55 -0400, "veryweezy" <weez@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    >and when dell falls a bit more there will indeed be a good opportunity to
    >eat its lunch. the day will come.

    Fine.

    While you're waiting, why don't you breathe through your nose and try
    typing with both hands.
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    On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:17:50 -0400, "veryweezy" <weez@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    >none of it is
    >returned to shareholders in the form of dividends while millions is given to
    >CEOs

    This is America. What is stopping YOU from becoming a fabulously
    wealthy, overcompensated CEO?

    You're on the right track, though. All you really have to do is to
    envy CEOs enough, just really hate them, practice vilifying them on
    Usenet EVERY chance you get, and pretty soon you'll get all their
    money, as thousands already have; get yours TODAY!
  18. Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

    "Zippy the Pinhead" <the_corporate_hose@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:v1hd70hpmjbc8t3eatc1a771dvs5ie1a40@4ax.com...
    > On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:17:50 -0400, "veryweezy" <weez@hotmail.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >none of it is
    > >returned to shareholders in the form of dividends while millions is given
    to
    > >CEOs
    >
    > This is America. What is stopping YOU from becoming a fabulously
    > wealthy, overcompensated CEO?


    easily answered, my ethics and morals. too many seem to have none.
    limitless greed seems to have replaced it.


    > You're on the right track, though. All you really have to do is to
    > envy CEOs enough, just really hate them, practice vilifying them on
    > Usenet EVERY chance you get, and pretty soon you'll get all their
    > money, as thousands already have; get yours TODAY!


    envy them? are you crazy? envy people who destroy other peoples' lives to
    fill their own pockets? a sad commentary on them and you as well.
  19. Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

    Rocket J. Squirrel wrote:

    > Gus, you certainly have a way with words. Your posts are entertaining and
    > occasionally useful. Which is more than you can say about me.

    LOL :)
  20. Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

    then what is keeping you from becoming a wealthy ceo that gives away all
    your earning to charitable causes? the point being that your ideas may be
    well intentioned but they are just wrong. you can not look back at other
    points in time to compare how companies were able to succeed in the
    environment of their time without considering the reality of the technology
    that we have today. computers and the internet have made it possible to
    route a phone call halfway around the world and have a person speaking the
    same language talk a customer thought a problem. that simply wasn't
    economically or technically feasible in any previous time in history. but
    what is consistent is that if two guys that had the same skill set had
    applied for a job that the employer would hire the cheaper one. and what is
    consistent is that if your competitor has a way of producing their product
    for less that proves itself successful with demonstrated revenue growth and
    repeat customers then that method would be copied. you seem to take this
    all personally and think that the driving force is corporate greed but i
    suggest it is the consumer that drives the demand for lower prices goods and
    that creative forward thinking business people make it happen because they
    know if they do not the will simply wither and fade away. and you don't
    seem to consider the possible good that can result from it. this seems to
    be a case of fearing change, which is something that you can read about
    repeatedly throughout history.

    "veryweezy" <weez@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:Z6WdnYETm8V7Wuvd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
    >
    > "Zippy the Pinhead" <the_corporate_hose@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:v1hd70hpmjbc8t3eatc1a771dvs5ie1a40@4ax.com...
    > > On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:17:50 -0400, "veryweezy" <weez@hotmail.com>
    > > wrote:
    > >
    > > >none of it is
    > > >returned to shareholders in the form of dividends while millions is
    given
    > to
    > > >CEOs
    > >
    > > This is America. What is stopping YOU from becoming a fabulously
    > > wealthy, overcompensated CEO?
    >
    >
    > easily answered, my ethics and morals. too many seem to have none.
    > limitless greed seems to have replaced it.
    >
    >
    > > You're on the right track, though. All you really have to do is to
    > > envy CEOs enough, just really hate them, practice vilifying them on
    > > Usenet EVERY chance you get, and pretty soon you'll get all their
    > > money, as thousands already have; get yours TODAY!
    >
    >
    > envy them? are you crazy? envy people who destroy other peoples' lives
    to
    > fill their own pockets? a sad commentary on them and you as well.
    >
    >
    >
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    Zippy the Pinhead wrote:

    > On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 11:17:50 -0400, "veryweezy" <weez@hotmail.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >>none of it is
    >>returned to shareholders in the form of dividends while millions is given to
    >>CEOs
    >
    >
    > This is America. What is stopping YOU from becoming a fabulously
    > wealthy, overcompensated CEO?
    >
    > You're on the right track, though. All you really have to do is to
    > envy CEOs enough, just really hate them, practice vilifying them on
    > Usenet EVERY chance you get, and pretty soon you'll get all their
    > money, as thousands already have; get yours TODAY!

    I'm struck by how your online name is particularly well chosen.
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    veryweezy wrote:

    > "Michael P Gabriel" <axipolti@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:a20043.0404081541.f991548@posting.google.com...
    >
    >>"veryweezy" <weez@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >
    > news:<xuidnQEMB4IVAOjdRVn-jA@comcast.com>...
    >
    >>>Dell's Net Income:
    >>>
    >>>2004 $2,645,000,000
    >>>2003 $2,122,000,000
    >>>2002 $1,246,000,000
    >>>2001 $2,177,000,000
    >>>2000 $1,666,000,000
    >>>
    >>>Check out page 25 of 43:
    >>>http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/corporate/sec/proxy03.pdf
    >>>to see what the execs make and how many stock options they're given.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Certainly doesn't look like Dell is going out of business! And the new
    >>>Executive Annual Incentive Bonus Plan will I'm sure mean more U.S. Dell
    >>>employees being axed so that the stock price is driven up in order for
    >
    > the
    >
    >>>Execs to maximize the value of their stock options.
    >>>
    >>>I also like the statement in one of their SEC filings about them
    >
    > possibly
    >
    >>>paying less taxes if their operations shift overseas or to lower tax
    >>>environments. All while around 70% of their sales is coming from the
    >>>Americas. Corporate greed at its best.
    >>
    >>>>>>Spoken by a true blue socialist! Businesses exist to make jobs!
    >>
    >>Right? Whatabout the stockholders and the profit motive, prevalent in
    >>every country; except, that is, except North Korea, North Vietnam,
    >>Cuba and some remaining commie lovers in Russia. Big Bonuses....?
    >>Corporate Greed? Sure, the government should run every business. How
    >>great would that be? One gives his socialogic and political views
    >>away without even realizing it. If I were you, I'd try to hide it! Oh,
    >>and vote for GWB!! Forget your upbringing and think for yourself for a
    >>change.
    >
    > well, now that you've had your little breakdown do you feel better? good,
    > now let's get some things straight. i am a capitalist and have even owned
    > my own business. you seem to think (ill give you a little credit) there is
    > nothing in between communism and a corporately run capitalist system. there
    > is. it is called responsible capitalism. it involves treating your
    > employees properly, respecting and protecting the environment, returning a
    > fair return to investors. investors should not have the expectation that
    > their investment will be used to the detriment of all else to fill their
    > pockets. much of this runs against human nature for too many people and
    > that is the sad part. it shouldn't be how high you can float your own boat
    > at the expense of others (exec incentive plans). it should be able floating
    > the boat that contains everybody that helps the company succeed (employees).
    > and don't steal from your customers by substituting substandard support for
    > competent support just so execs can pocket millions in bonuses.

    This sounds like what was called "being a good corporate citizen" back
    in the 70's. That went into the toilet when RR was elected and the
    neo-cons got into power, leading to the "greed is good" mentality,
    corporate raiders, raped pension plans, etc.
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