Pinball expo Question regarding move.

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Would you rather keep the same dates but maybe be a bit smaller or
have a different date altogether maybe in NOV.. Due to the short notice
from the hotel we are having a hard time finding suitable space at
other hotels. either way it probably is going to have to cost more.
MIKE PACAK Please email me direct with your thoughts.. thanks

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On 15 Jun 2005 22:11:55 -0700, "mikepin" <mgpacak@aol.com> wrote:

>Would you rather keep the same dates but maybe be a bit smaller or
>have a different date altogether maybe in NOV.. Due to the short notice
>from the hotel we are having a hard time finding suitable space at
>other hotels. either way it probably is going to have to cost more.
>MIKE PACAK Please email me direct with your thoughts.. thanks


I would like the same dates. A few friends and I have already
purchased plane tickets.

Dan in Denver

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In article <1118898715.306650.316250@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"mikepin" <mgpacak@aol.com> wrote:

> Would you rather keep the same dates but maybe be a bit smaller or
> have a different date altogether maybe in NOV.. Due to the short notice
> from the hotel we are having a hard time finding suitable space at
> other hotels. either way it probably is going to have to cost more.
> MIKE PACAK Please email me direct with your thoughts.. thanks

Well I'm just one, but coming from Australia so timing is important to
me. I'd rather a smaller one as I have booked the other part of my
holiday... that said, I could rearrange for the first two weekends in
November.

Thanks for asking!

Cheers
MacMan

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Please keep the dates the same.

"mikepin" <mgpacak@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Would you rather keep the same dates but maybe be a bit smaller or
> have a different date altogether maybe in NOV.. Due to the short notice
> from the hotel we are having a hard time finding suitable space at
> other hotels. either way it probably is going to have to cost more.
> MIKE PACAK Please email me direct with your thoughts.. thanks
>

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yeah - we have an "Expo" center here in COlumbia. not huge but i'm sure
Chicago has large ones. i'm sure there's hotels near it.
Dan

.. wrote:
> Why cant you rent a convention center or hall to hold the expo. Why does it
> have to be in a hotel? Fairgrounds usually have buildings they rent.
> Just my 2 cents
>
>
> "mikepin" <mgpacak@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1118898715.306650.316250@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Would you rather keep the same dates but maybe be a bit smaller or
>>have a different date altogether maybe in NOV.. Due to the short notice
>>from the hotel we are having a hard time finding suitable space at
>>other hotels. either way it probably is going to have to cost more.
>>MIKE PACAK Please email me direct with your thoughts.. thanks
>>
>
>
>

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> We get huge hail storms here sometimes. They're not fun. And they hurt.

Tornados hurt worse. Consider yourself lucky your search was futile

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Convention Centers get expensive fast. Rent can be vp to $10,000 a
day(or more!) Many reqvire vnion workers to move all eqvipment in and
ovt. They charge by the electrical ovtlet, set vp by vnion
electricians, etc. It goes on and on...

Skankytown may have been a little rovgh, bvt they appreciated ovr
bvsiness and pvt vp with more than most bvildings wovld. We had it
good and didn't even know it.

There is a reason pin expo, dog-faced pagents, etc. were held at the
Ramada. Going to a larger, nicer facility wovld have cost vs all mvch
more...and we know how cheap we are.

I don't envy Mike right now. It can't be easy finding a svitable
location on short notice with ovr demands and ovr bvdget.

Good Lvck Mike!!! Yov're going to need it...




On Thv, 16 Jvn 2005 07:11:54 -0500, "." <mcrve1nojvnk@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Why cant yov rent a convention center or hall to hold the expo. Why does it
>have to be in a hotel? Fairgrovnds vsvally have bvildings they rent.
>Jvst my 2 cents
>
>
>"mikepin" <mgpacak@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:1118898715.306650.316250@f14g2000cwb.googlegrovps.com...
>> Wovld yov rather keep the same dates bvt maybe be a bit smaller or
>> have a different date altogether maybe in NOV.. Dve to the short notice
>> from the hotel we are having a hard time finding svitable space at
>> other hotels. either way it probably is going to have to cost more.
>> MIKE PACAK Please email me direct with yovr thovghts.. thanks
>>
>

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.. wrote:

>Why cant you rent a convention center or hall to hold the expo. Why does it
>have to be in a hotel? Fairgrounds usually have buildings they rent.
>Just my 2 cents
>
Logistically, an independent convention center makes good sense;
although it would almost certainly drive up the costs of Expo tickets to
cover the rent on the hall However, I think that holding Expo in a
hotel is an important part of the overall "Expo Experience". It really
increases the camaraderie factor, which is an important.

Rick Swanson

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I too vote for same dates, being disabled as I am, my wife, who is needed to
bring me, has already reserved those days off and it would be difficult for
a change to be made even at this time. I also wish Mike good luck in moving
the expo to new venue. Just hope it can be done without too much price
increase.

Fixx

"SteveM" <grspec@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I would vote for the same dates. I think there are a lot of people who
> have bought plane tickets, had time approved off work or made other
> scheduling changes based upon the original date. I think it would be
> easier for most to change hotel reservations than to change their
> travel plans. Granted if you can't find a location with the current
> dates, do what you have too, but I think changing the date is going to
> leave a lot of people hanging out to dry.
>
> Good luck Mike,
> Steve
>
> mikepin wrote:
> > Would you rather keep the same dates but maybe be a bit smaller or
> > have a different date altogether maybe in NOV.. Due to the short notice
> > from the hotel we are having a hard time finding suitable space at
> > other hotels. either way it probably is going to have to cost more.
> > MIKE PACAK Please email me direct with your thoughts.. thanks
>

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In article <1118898715.306650.316250@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
mikepin <mgpacak@aol.com> wrote:
>Would you rather keep the same dates but maybe be a bit smaller or
>have a different date altogether maybe in NOV.. Due to the short notice
>from the hotel we are having a hard time finding suitable space at
>other hotels. either way it probably is going to have to cost more.
>MIKE PACAK Please email me direct with your thoughts.. thanks

Mike,

It sounds like a tough tradeoff. I didn't mind the November dates way
back when. Some were chilly moving games around.

Non-refundable plane tickets might cost around $75 per person to change.
That's significant to most people. But it's probably a small number in
comparison to the total travel costs to attend. If keeping the dates
means a much smaller Expo with higher admission and problems (not enough
games, not enough parking for lots of big trucks/trailers, etc.) then to
me it would be well worth switching the dates. In my opinion it could
"cost" people a lot more to have a "not so good" show in October than
paying a fee to change travel plans for a "great" show in November.

Having a "not so good" show could also hurt future show attendance. A
shame that Ramada didn't have more warning. They were a common target for
grief, but all-in-all they were an excellent venue for the show. They
will be difficult to replace. But I am confident that you and Rob can
find a solution!

Orin





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On 16 Jun 2005 17:00:36 GMT, Orin Day <usenet2005@lobsterdevil.com>
wrote:

>In article <1118898715.306650.316250@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>mikepin <mgpacak@aol.com> wrote:
>>Would you rather keep the same dates but maybe be a bit smaller or
>>have a different date altogether maybe in NOV.. Due to the short notice
>>from the hotel we are having a hard time finding suitable space at
>>other hotels. either way it probably is going to have to cost more.
>>MIKE PACAK Please email me direct with your thoughts.. thanks
>
>Mike,
>
>It sounds like a tough tradeoff. I didn't mind the November dates way
>back when. Some were chilly moving games around.
>
>Non-refundable plane tickets might cost around $75 per person to change.
>That's significant to most people. But it's probably a small number in
>comparison to the total travel costs to attend. If keeping the dates
>means a much smaller Expo with higher admission and problems (not enough
>games, not enough parking for lots of big trucks/trailers, etc.) then to
>me it would be well worth switching the dates. In my opinion it could
>"cost" people a lot more to have a "not so good" show in October than
>paying a fee to change travel plans for a "great" show in November.
>
>Having a "not so good" show could also hurt future show attendance. A
>shame that Ramada didn't have more warning. They were a common target for
>grief, but all-in-all they were an excellent venue for the show. They
>will be difficult to replace. But I am confident that you and Rob can
>find a solution!
>
>Orin

orin is right.

DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THE SHOW AND THE FUN-FACTOR.

it's not like the show is next week, it is still 4 months away.

you won't be able to please everyone, so just do what is best for the
show and future shows.

good luck, and reserve a fatty room for the pre-party and pinbrawl!
;-)

Pinlicious ( ...there is no spoon.)

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Orin Day wrote:

>.....
>
> If keeping the dates
>means a much smaller Expo with higher admission and problems (not enough
>games, not enough parking for lots of big trucks/trailers, etc.) then to
>me it would be well worth switching the dates.
>
>
>
>
Agreed.

Until Mike mentioned it in a previous post, I hadn't even thought about
how tough it might be to find a place that will give permission to leave
the exhibit hall open all night. I'm thinking we had a pretty sweet deal
at the Ramada.


Rick Swanson

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I hate driving in November due to the weather. However, if you had the
show on the same weekend as Chicagoland that would be pretty neat.

Yes I know many would cringe at the thought but It would nice to just
get up Friday morning, go the Chiland parking lot, then back to the
pinball show for the rest of the weekend.

Or what if you could share the Chicagoland venue with their show???

Terry Cumming

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In article <42B1BC8C.80703@charter.net>,
Rick Swanson <rns510@charter.net> wrote:

>Agreed.

>Until Mike mentioned it in a previous post, I hadn't even thought about
>how tough it might be to find a place that will give permission to leave
>the exhibit hall open all night. I'm thinking we had a pretty sweet deal
>at the Ramada.

Plus the sidewalks around the soon-to-be-ex-Ramada are already repaired.

Maybe, just maybe, those work crews have moved on to fix sidewalks closer
to the as-yet-undetermined new venue.



OD

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In article <42B1B9E6.3060309@charter.net>,
Rick Swanson <rns510@charter.net> wrote:

> MacMan wrote:
>
> >>>...
> >>>
> > I've never seen a tornado ..... a flood .... Or a hurricane.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> The weather Gods must like you! I know of some insurance companies that
> would probably pay you to spend the next 6 months in Florida. ;-)
>
>
> Rick Swanson

Can't get there till October. Don't make the Expo clash with Fantasy
Fest (last week in October) because while I love pinball if it's a
choice between girl's nobbly bits and pinball... pinball will lose!

Cheers
MacMan

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In article <9md3b11etsjlou0105hjid2aqe2losoa32@4ax.com>,
pinlicious <pinlicious@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:18:04 -0500, "Lloyd Olson"
> <ltg@ssbilliards.com> wrote:
>
> >Moving in snow and cold can be dangerous.
> >
> >You wasted your time on the tornado watch. A tornado warning means get to
> >shelter now, a watch means conditions are there that a tornado could form
> >but no guarantee there will be one. And where you were if there is one, they
> >can get big ones that go F5 on the Fujita scale. Fast and can launch debris
> >right through you. LTG
>
> nothing like having the same piece of straw(hay) sticking out on both
> sides of your body ;-)
>
> Pinlicious ( ...there is no spoon.)
>

Well I know if ever I'm caught in one to hold onto a Chicken. Whenever
you see a Tornado doco or movie there are cows and trucks and houses
flying through the air, but you never see a chicken. I'm grabbing onto a
chicken!

Cheers
Macman

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MacMan wrote:

>....
>
> while I love pinball if it's a
>choice between girl's nobbly bits and pinball... pinball will lose!
>
>
Yes, "nobbly bits" pretty much trump everything else. ;-)


Rick Swanson

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In article <1118925740.1ef442024327b5206b04bb3869d42a5f@teranews>,
"Mike Schudel" <schudel5@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > I was SO disappointed as I've never seen a tornado either.
> >
> > Or a flood come to think of it. Or a hurricane.
> >
> > I really should get out of the house more.
>
> Iv'e never seen a kangaroo...or a wallaby...or a kookaburra... :-)))))
>
> You don't want to see snow...believe me you don't. It's WAY
> overrated...especially by them sothern folks. :-)

You don't want to see a Kangaroo... they're dangerous and some of the
big reds will kick you to death if they get a chance. Wallabies are just
short fat Kangaroos.

Kookaburras are cool. Sometimes I get them on my back fence.

Cheers
MacMan

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"Rick Swanson" <rns510@charter.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> MacMan wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Well I know if ever I'm caught in one to hold onto a Chicken. Whenever
> >you see a Tornado doco or movie there are cows and trucks and houses
> >flying through the air, but you never see a chicken. I'm grabbing onto a
> >chicken!
> >
> >
> >
> Make sure it's a chicken and not a rooster. It's considered bad form to
> travel around with a cock in your hand. ;-)
>

Especially if it's not your own.

Herb Schanke

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In article <funster-7846BF.05480417062005@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
MacMan <funster@ahtbigpond.dohtnet.au> wrote:

>You don't want to see a Kangaroo... they're dangerous and some of the
>big reds will kick you to death if they get a chance.

The tame ones we saw at Cleland Park in Adelaide were pretty nice...

http://www.lobsterdevil.com/austra [...] aroo3.html

....but given their claws I wouldn't tangle with a wild one!!!

Orin



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"John Wart, jr" <johnwartjr@johnwartjr.com> wrote in
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> Thankfully my wife has a FWD car. My RWD car with a supercharger isn't
> a very good vehicle to drive on snow and ice. My old truck isn't,
> either. I really need a practical pin hauler! The other misconception
> around here seems to be that a 4x4 is the silver bullet when it comes
> to snow storms, sorry, they don't stop any faster

Man, I feel your pain. I used to drive a Cougar with the mustang 8 in it.
In winter, I stopped fighting things and just drove everywhere with the
rear end leading the car...

....whether in reverse OR drive.

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In article <Xns9677B57C3E8FFqqwwaass@207.115.63.158>,
TheKorn <TheKorn@TheKorn.Net> wrote:
>tcumming@axxent.ca wrote in news:1118946559.225357.43230
>@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>> I hate driving in November due to the weather. However, if you had the
>> show on the same weekend as Chicagoland that would be pretty neat.
>
>Chicagoland, meaning Chicago and its suburbs?

http://www.chicagolandshow.com
There is a separate show ("Kane County" ) that rides its coattails on the
two preceding days.

BTW, those who heard my talk at Expo 2004 know that the first couple
Expos were indeed scheduled to ride on the coattails of Chicagoland.
--
.................David Marston at MV

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mike-
its a catch 22 on that. some people have booked hotles/ flights that
are non refundable for those specific dates.
in november it may be snowy/icy for us that drive from several hours
away.

a smaller venue (if alot smaller) means less pins, less vendors etc

you will have mixed reviews on this.
do what you feel is best and ill still support it

i still know there are large venues in chicago that may be available.
they should not charge you tons, it should be a trade to some extent..
you bring them the hotel business having guests stay there, eat there
and bring in funds from all angles (parking/food/room/etc).

thats how it works in the night club/concert venue business. if i book
an artist, i get the club for free or for a not so high nominal fee
since i am paying all artist fees and advertising. i get ticket sales,
but the club owner gets all liquor sales which is good for them since
they usually would not make that kind of $$$ on said given night on
their own. plus the owner is getting free advertising on my dime since
their name is on the flyers/radio spots/tv spots.

its a trade-

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MacMan wrote:

>.....
>
> it turns out they have no fear of alien objects. So when they
>see a creature they don't know... car or man... they study it and then
>they'll try and attack it.
>
>
>
>
Dang.... I never knew it, but my ex-wife must have been a Kangaroo! Her
huge feet should have given me a clue. ;-)


Rick Swanson