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February 8, 2003 10:43:51 PM

I swapped out my xp1700 for another xp1700 and it runs alot cooler and oces alot better. I'm just wondering if i have a b core. If so the trickle down theory about tbred b cores is already happening. my old core had 0 in the steping id and the new one has a 1 in its place.(read by wcpuid)

A Ny help is greatly appreciated.


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February 9, 2003 12:16:44 AM

"Stepping 1" means T-bred "B"

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February 9, 2003 1:13:11 AM

that would explain the oc. its running right now at 2.08mhz/333fsb=xp2600 1.7v. No special cooling either. I'm using a cheapo coolermaster and a 80mm fan attached.

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February 9, 2003 8:28:10 AM

SCHWEEET.
a 1700+ tbredB!
thats gonna overclock sick!

here is a good test for you...
if it cant get too much beyond 1800-1900mhz without excessive core voltage its a tbred A...
if its a B it should easily breach 2Ghz and beyond with low voltage.

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February 9, 2003 1:54:25 PM

i wonder if this is just a fluc or if amd is releasing tbred b cores at lower speeds now. I can hit about 2.3 with 1.8v but 2ghz is plenty fast for me and i dont want to push the voltage that far.

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February 9, 2003 8:44:37 PM

nope. It happens from time to time, with both amd and intel.

when the northwood first came out slower "backfill" models were also released, the 1.6A and 1.8A which are well known to Overclock well.
Then when the C1 stepping came out that could overclock to 3.5 or more a few rare c1's found their way out as 1.8A's or 2.0A's... and they were fantastic overclockers.

basically they stop making palominos and tbredA's... and any gaps in the product linup might be filled with slowed down tbredB's.

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February 10, 2003 12:44:13 AM

d00d, at 2.3GHZ, you have a 3.06GHZ competitor, and on top of that, 1.8V is nothing bad for your chip. Only Intel 0.13m chips have trouble over 1.75V, but the AMDs are "trained" for it heh.
No seriously, if you can OC a 1.47GHZ AMD chip to 2.3GHZ, you've got a seriously powerful system, and it clears the AMD=not overclocker name!

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February 10, 2003 2:55:54 PM

cool and im running it in a7n8x delux so im doing pretty good for what i paid. D@MN I LOVE AMD:) 



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February 11, 2003 9:46:48 PM

I just purchased 3 of these cpu's...they all turned out to be thoroughbred B's....(locked). My question is about mother board compatibility...does anyone know if the following boards are compatible with xp 1700 TBred B...
Asus a7n266 vm aa
Shuttle Ak35gt2
Biostar M7VIG Pro
February 11, 2003 10:04:06 PM

Dunno... what chipsets are those boards based on?
If its Nforce1 or KT266A or earlier then the answer is no, unless you unlock them and run them as unidentified processors at 133FSB.

You need at least 166FSB support, so Nforce2, KT333, or SiS 755 support.

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February 12, 2003 1:51:50 AM

They should be unlocked on a new nForce 2 motherboard, mind you!

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February 12, 2003 3:43:45 AM

asus a7n266 vm aa = nforce 220d IGP-64 North bridge & Nvidia MCP-d South bridge
biostar M7VIG Pro = via km266/VT8235
shuttle ak35gt2 = kt 333 VT8367/VT8233a
February 12, 2003 3:49:30 AM

I am hoping that at least the shuttle will have the clocking ability for this processor...be a shame to waste it on a board that couldn't overclock it! If the other two boards I mentioned in the above post can't handle this cpu...I am happy to say that I have a couple of other processers that I can put on them...but I really hope the shuttle can do it, because it's one of the cpu's that I can substitute.
February 12, 2003 4:02:34 AM

well:
Nforce1 @ 166fsb is a no.
KT266 @ 166FSB is also a no go, unless you want PCI/AGP speeds of 41.5 and 82.
The shuttle KT333 is a maybe... Depends on how well it was made. Many of the first KT333's were really only designed for 133fsb operation, with 166fsb being to taxing on the system, even though the chipset supports the 1/5 PCI divider.

your shuttle might be able to do it... best to check the shuttle website.

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between 450 and 500 FPS in Quake3 deserves to
be severely beaten with a rock. :smile: </b>
February 12, 2003 4:54:12 AM

I've read posts complaining about not having a 1/5 divider when running at 166...will try it though. I really hadn't any clue or knowledge about the tbred a or b when I bought mine...I just saw a good price...and discovered the info after the fact. I've been reading about this cpu in the OCking threads and I was wondering if there is a big difference between the OCking ability of the high and low-end tbred B's (i believe, according to the links provided, that I have the low-end B version)? Thank You.
February 12, 2003 9:40:14 AM

there may be some difference, like not being able to get to 2200mhz at 1.65v, but usually they are pretty similar, just downbinned, much like the P4 1.6A and 1.8A.

so your cpu has LOTS of headroom in it... or you could run at stock speed at a VERY low voltage.


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between 450 and 500 FPS in Quake3 deserves to
be severely beaten with a rock. :smile: </b>
February 14, 2003 1:43:53 PM

This might present a problem...I didn't know what I was buying...but saw a good price...I bought these to build for other people...NOW I WANT TO KEEP THEM ALL! Although, I feel this way about most parts I order. LOL!!!!!!
February 14, 2003 5:25:36 PM

Why do you say they should be unlocked on a new nForce 2 motherboard? If you're not overclocking, is there any reason to be unlocked?
February 14, 2003 6:01:53 PM

If your not overclicking then the core wouldn't mater at all.

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February 14, 2003 9:51:58 PM

Unless you want a really cool running system.

My TbredA XP1700+ can do 1.4v at stock speed, i would do lower but its not supported on my motherboard ;)  and thats a tbredA... not even a B.

Nice and cool

<b>Anyone claiming they can see the difference
between 450 and 500 FPS in Quake3 deserves to
be severely beaten with a rock. :smile: </b>
February 14, 2003 11:06:54 PM

MY FUKING GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OVERCLOCKED A ATHLONXP from 1.5ghz uop to 2hgz++?????? do you realize that the XP3000+ is only at 2.1ghz!!!!! ROFL!!!!!! holy [-peep-] (this merits a swear, haha)

that is unbelievable.. you just overclocked a cheap, cheap processor to levels comparable to the fastest chips avaliable! and they cost over 1000$ canadian!!! LOLLLOLOL
February 15, 2003 1:44:57 AM

LOL calm down. And yes, it is very good.

Thats why i consider the new XP1700+ B's to be the AMD equivalents of the 1.8A or 1.6A P4's.

even the TbredA XP1700+ arnt too shabby. 25% oc here saving me some 100-200 australian dollars.

<b>Anyone claiming they can see the difference
between 450 and 500 FPS in Quake3 deserves to
be severely beaten with a rock. :smile: </b>
February 15, 2003 2:12:41 AM

I did not mean someone SHOULD unlock the multiplier, I meant the multiplier SHOULD COME unlocked with no tricks needed, when used on this chipset.

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March 1, 2003 2:43:05 PM

T-bred "B" come unlocked (AXDA1700DUT3C), T-bred "A" doesn't (AXDA1700DLT3C). I can get mine to run at 1826mhz (166 x 11), I had to increase the voltage to 1.75 to keep it from crashing when loading a bunch of programs at once.

Now the only problem I have is that it will lock up Medal of Honor:AA about 30 minutes into the game, it doesn't lock up any of my other games or the desktop (just have to CTRL+ALT+DEL MOHAA and restart it; ended up dropping it to 155x11 @ 1.65v) Was thinking I need to pull the voltage up a tad bit more, but the board doesn't go over 1.75 (Asus A7N8X Deluxe; manual says it goes 1.85, bios shows likewise).

I was going to do the unlock crap so I could lower the multiplier (my chip doesn't have laser cuts inbetween the bridges like everyone elses, whats up with that?), just don't feel like pulling the heatsink off again.

Well anyway, you couldn't expect more from a $49 processor, congratulations on such a fine overclock!
March 1, 2003 8:11:35 PM

Quote:
Was thinking I need to pull the voltage up a tad bit more, but the board doesn't go over 1.75 (Asus A7N8X Deluxe; manual says it goes 1.85, bios shows likewise).

You need to connect all L11 bridges to set the core voltage up to 1.85V.


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March 2, 2003 12:35:24 AM

That's what I figured; since the L1 bridges don't have the laser cuts inbetween them, I wouldn't need to use any sort of spacer (nail glue or filler) inbetween the contacts, just apply the silver laquer to connect them individually together, correct?
March 3, 2003 5:44:16 PM

Where did you order them?
Edited content:
Did you purchase OEM ( I assume yes)
Anyone know if there is any way to tell before you order the chips whether or not they will be 'B' cores?


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