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have started this new thread as other one was bogged down with too much
scattered information and now have a more accurate assesment of
problems based on tests done so would like to display them
in one post for any new lookers (as well as for previous
helpers,thanks).
would still very much appreciate any advice based on current
diagnosis,for those not familiar with my last thread about this pin,i
have looked at MARVINs guide already.
situation is game actually works and will play a full game if i
manually push ball into plunger lane,a few features dont work on
playfield like RINGMASTER ,fixed bumpers,ball trough kicker,
slingshots etc but when some things work on playfield the plunger lane
ball kicker works at the same time.
# have done a full switch test and everything works
# have done a full solenoid test and quite a few coils either dont
work,or if they do sometimes the plunger lane kicker works at the same
time (solenoid lit at end of this post)
# all fuses are good
# with game turned on have shorted out all coils at solenoid end and
they all work
# with game turned on have shorted out top of TIP102 transistors and
all (or almost all) solenoids
( AND THE RINGMASTER ) work on playfield even though they dont work in
test mode or game mode.
have taken the power driver board out of machine and tested all
transistors,and everyone tested
ok , including one i said was faulty in last thread but i was unaware
it was a different transistor and needed to be tested differently which
i done and it was ok.
thats where its at now
was told in last thread fault may be a chip in driver board or
something similar,just wondered if
anyone can point me towards the possible problem part or area based on
above info,thanks
also friend (NOT A QUALIFIED TECH) looked at game today and suggested
fault may be on actual game cpu and suggested swapping cpu over with
one out of my TWILIGHT ZONE then putting CIRQUS chips in that one just
to see if problem still appears.
i havent had much luck with interchanging gameboards and parts in the
past on video games as when i put parts back to original they never
work again so am only thinking of this as a last
resort but wonder what you guys opinion of doing that would be
anyway,thanks.
have also included previous results of solenoid test below in the hope
it may help to pinpoint
problem,please help as ive never played this game before and am hanging
out to have a go
jeff www.pinballswanted.com
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SOLENOID TEST-
# 01 PLUNGER does not work which is strange as it constantly works in
game mode
# 02 BACKBOX KICK does not work but plunger lane kicker does
# 03 LEFT LOOP MAGNET does not work but plunger lane kicker does
# 04 MIDDLE JET works ,so does plunger lane kicker
# 05 RAMP MAGNET works (not very well) so does plunger lane kicker,(but
ramp magnet works properly
in game mode)
# 06 DIVERTER POWER works ,so does plunger lane kicker
# 07 JET UP works ,so does plunger lane kicker
# 08 JET RELEASE works ,so does plunger lane kicker
# 09 TROUGH EJECT does not work
# 10 LEFT SLING does not work
# 11 RIGHT SLING does not work
# 12 UPPER JET doesn not work
# 13 LOWER JET does not work
# 14 LEFT SAUCER does not work
# 15 RIGHT SAUCER does not work
# 16 LOCK POST does not work
# 22 MOTOR ENABLE does not work
# 33 POPPER works ,so does plunger lane kicker
# 34 DIVERTER HOLD tries to work ,so does plunger lane kicker
# 35 RINGMASTER magnet does not work
# 36 UPPER POST works ,so does plunger lane kicker
# 39 MOTOR DIRECTION does not work
TEST 12 -FLIPPER COIL TEST
# 01 RIGHT FLIPPER POWER does not work ( but sometimes works with
limited power in game mode
,plunger lane kicker also works at same time in game mode,not in this
test mode)
# 02 RIGHT FLIPPER HOLD works ,so does plunger lane kicker
# 03 LEFT FLIPPER POWER works ,so does plunger lane kicker
# 04 LEFT FLIPPER HOLD works ,so does plunger lane kicker
TEST 16 -
UP/DOWN JET works ,so does plunger lane kicker
TEST 17 -
DIVERTER -nothing happens when tested in closed position ,when changed
to open test it tries to
work but plunger lane kicker also works and just stays on almost
permanently in this test
TEST 18 -MAGNET TESTS
RAMP MAGNET works but plunger lane kicker also works and just stays on
almost permanently in this test
LOOP MAGNET works but plunger lane kicker also works and just stays on
almost permanently in this test
RINGMASTER not sure if it works as dont know how to activate
TEST 19 -
RINGMASTER TEST nothing works ,displays message "error not found"
TEST 20 -
RAMP LOCKUP TEST balls register on switches but lock wont release
TEST 21 -
EMPTY BALLS TEST nothing happens
have started this new thread as other one was bogged down with too much
scattered information and now have a more accurate assesment of
problems based on tests done so would like to display them
in one post for any new lookers (as well as for previous
helpers,thanks).
would still very much appreciate any advice based on current
diagnosis,for those not familiar with my last thread about this pin,i
have looked at MARVINs guide already.
situation is game actually works and will play a full game if i
manually push ball into plunger lane,a few features dont work on
playfield like RINGMASTER ,fixed bumpers,ball trough kicker,
slingshots etc but when some things work on playfield the plunger lane
ball kicker works at the same time.
# have done a full switch test and everything works
# have done a full solenoid test and quite a few coils either dont
work,or if they do sometimes the plunger lane kicker works at the same
time (solenoid lit at end of this post)
# all fuses are good
# with game turned on have shorted out all coils at solenoid end and
they all work
# with game turned on have shorted out top of TIP102 transistors and
all (or almost all) solenoids
( AND THE RINGMASTER ) work on playfield even though they dont work in
test mode or game mode.
have taken the power driver board out of machine and tested all
transistors,and everyone tested
ok , including one i said was faulty in last thread but i was unaware
it was a different transistor and needed to be tested differently which
i done and it was ok.
thats where its at now
was told in last thread fault may be a chip in driver board or
something similar,just wondered if
anyone can point me towards the possible problem part or area based on
above info,thanks
also friend (NOT A QUALIFIED TECH) looked at game today and suggested
fault may be on actual game cpu and suggested swapping cpu over with
one out of my TWILIGHT ZONE then putting CIRQUS chips in that one just
to see if problem still appears.
i havent had much luck with interchanging gameboards and parts in the
past on video games as when i put parts back to original they never
work again so am only thinking of this as a last
resort but wonder what you guys opinion of doing that would be
anyway,thanks.
have also included previous results of solenoid test below in the hope
it may help to pinpoint
problem,please help as ive never played this game before and am hanging
out to have a go
jeff www.pinballswanted.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SOLENOID TEST-
# 01 PLUNGER does not work which is strange as it constantly works in
game mode
# 02 BACKBOX KICK does not work but plunger lane kicker does
# 03 LEFT LOOP MAGNET does not work but plunger lane kicker does
# 04 MIDDLE JET works ,so does plunger lane kicker
# 05 RAMP MAGNET works (not very well) so does plunger lane kicker,(but
ramp magnet works properly
in game mode)
# 06 DIVERTER POWER works ,so does plunger lane kicker
# 07 JET UP works ,so does plunger lane kicker
# 08 JET RELEASE works ,so does plunger lane kicker
# 09 TROUGH EJECT does not work
# 10 LEFT SLING does not work
# 11 RIGHT SLING does not work
# 12 UPPER JET doesn not work
# 13 LOWER JET does not work
# 14 LEFT SAUCER does not work
# 15 RIGHT SAUCER does not work
# 16 LOCK POST does not work
# 22 MOTOR ENABLE does not work
# 33 POPPER works ,so does plunger lane kicker
# 34 DIVERTER HOLD tries to work ,so does plunger lane kicker
# 35 RINGMASTER magnet does not work
# 36 UPPER POST works ,so does plunger lane kicker
# 39 MOTOR DIRECTION does not work
TEST 12 -FLIPPER COIL TEST
# 01 RIGHT FLIPPER POWER does not work ( but sometimes works with
limited power in game mode
,plunger lane kicker also works at same time in game mode,not in this
test mode)
# 02 RIGHT FLIPPER HOLD works ,so does plunger lane kicker
# 03 LEFT FLIPPER POWER works ,so does plunger lane kicker
# 04 LEFT FLIPPER HOLD works ,so does plunger lane kicker
TEST 16 -
UP/DOWN JET works ,so does plunger lane kicker
TEST 17 -
DIVERTER -nothing happens when tested in closed position ,when changed
to open test it tries to
work but plunger lane kicker also works and just stays on almost
permanently in this test
TEST 18 -MAGNET TESTS
RAMP MAGNET works but plunger lane kicker also works and just stays on
almost permanently in this test
LOOP MAGNET works but plunger lane kicker also works and just stays on
almost permanently in this test
RINGMASTER not sure if it works as dont know how to activate
TEST 19 -
RINGMASTER TEST nothing works ,displays message "error not found"
TEST 20 -
RAMP LOCKUP TEST balls register on switches but lock wont release
TEST 21 -
EMPTY BALLS TEST nothing happens