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I have built a new computer and want to install XP Pro on it. From
Newegg I can purchase XP Pro OEM or Retail versions. Other than the $100
price differential what are the differences between the 2 versions. Will
either version allow me to do a repair install? (if the occasion ever
presents itself).

Richard
 
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The only differnce between the 2 is that you have no warrenty with the
OEM...it would cost money for support through microsoft. Other than
that..they are the same.

"Richard" wrote:

> I have built a new computer and want to install XP Pro on it. From
> Newegg I can purchase XP Pro OEM or Retail versions. Other than the $100
> price differential what are the differences between the 2 versions. Will
> either version allow me to do a repair install? (if the occasion ever
> presents itself).
>
> Richard
>
 
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Richard wrote:
> I have built a new computer and want to install XP Pro on it. From
> Newegg I can purchase XP Pro OEM or Retail versions. Other than the $100
> price differential what are the differences between the 2 versions. Will
> either version allow me to do a repair install? (if the occasion ever
> presents itself).
>
> Richard


There are some very important reasons that an OEM license costs so
much less than a retail license. OEM licenses are very limited:

1) OEM versions must be sold with a piece of non-peripheral
hardware (normally a motherboard or hard drive, if not an entire PC,
although Microsoft has greatly relaxed the hardware criteria for WinXP)
and are _permanently_ bound to the first PC on which they are installed.
An OEM license, once installed, is not legally transferable to another
computer under any circumstances. This is the main reason some people
avoid OEM versions; if the PC dies or is otherwise disposed of (even
stolen), you cannot re-use your OEM license on a new PC. The only
legitimate way to transfer the ownership of an OEM license is to
transfer ownership of the entire PC.

2) Microsoft provides no free support for OEM versions. If you
have any problems that require outside assistance, your only recourse is
to contact the manufacturer/builder of the PC or the vendor of the OEM
license. This would include such issues as lost a Product Key or
replacing damaged installation media. (Microsoft does make allowances
for those instances when you can prove that the OEM has gone out of
business.) This doesn't mean that you can't download patches and
service packs from Microsoft -- just no free telephone or email support
for problems with the OS.

3) An OEM CD cannot be used to perform an upgrade of an earlier
OS, as it was designed to be installed _only_ upon an empty hard drive.
It can still be used to perform a repair installation (a.k.a. an
in-place upgrade) of an existing WinXP installation.

4) If the OEM CD was designed by a specific manufacturer, such as
eMachines, Sony, Dell, Gateway, etc., it will most likely only install
on the same brand of PC, as an additional anti-piracy feature. Further,
such CDs are severely customized to contain only the minimum of device
drivers, and a lot of extra nonsense, that the manufacturer feels
necessary for the specific model of PC for which the CD was designed.
(To be honest, such CDs should _not_ be available on the open market;
but, if you're shopping someplace on-line like eBay, swap meets, or
computer fairs, there's often no telling what you're buying until it's
too late.) The "generic" OEM CDs, such as are manufactured by Microsoft
and sold to small systems builders, don't have this particular problem,
though, and are pretty much the same as their retail counterparts, apart
from the licensing, support, and upgrading restrictions.



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Richard wrote:
> I have built a new computer and want to install XP Pro on it. From
> Newegg I can purchase XP Pro OEM or Retail versions. Other than the
> $100 price differential what are the differences between the 2
> versions. Will either version allow me to do a repair install? (if
> the occasion ever presents itself).

OEM does not come with support from anyone other than those you actually
made the purchase from.
OEM is 'tied' to the first computer you install it on - even if that
computer gets blown up in a freak accident but your software was safe in a
vault in another country.
OEM can do a CLEAN installation only.

Personally - I would suggest you get retail. Not that you might use/need
the support - but you never know.. Not that there isn't 'ways around' the
'tied' thing.. But just for the fallback possibility.

If you know what you are doing, however, OEM is fine.. You could use
something like the Ultimate Windows Boot CD to recover in a pinch - plus
your backups would make it a moot point as well as I am sure you properly
maintain/secure your systems so it would have to be hardware failure
anyway..

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I build my own.
I buy the OEM version with the CASE.
That way, whatever I put in the case, 10 new motherboards or CPUs, HDDs,
etc. the license is still valid.
Other than the thing being stolen, I don't see anything else bad about using
the OEM on a new system.

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"Richard" <richard147@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I have built a new computer and want to install XP Pro on it. From Newegg I
>can purchase XP Pro OEM or Retail versions. Other than the $100 price
>differential what are the differences between the 2 versions. Will either
>version allow me to do a repair install? (if the occasion ever presents
>itself).
>
> Richard
 
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Raeligh wrote:
> The only differnce between the 2 is that you have no warrenty with the
> OEM...it would cost money for support through microsoft. Other than
> that..they are the same.
>

That's untrue. The licensing terms are quite different. The OEM
license is very restrictive, compared to the retail license. The OEM CD
cannot be used to perform an upgrade.


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"Richard" <richard147@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I have built a new computer and want to install XP Pro on it. From Newegg I
>can purchase XP Pro OEM or Retail versions. Other than the $100 price
>differential what are the differences between the 2 versions. Will either
>version allow me to do a repair install? (if the occasion ever presents
>itself).
>
> Richard

With OEM versions of Windows XP Professional going for $85, there is really
no need to get the Retail version. If it were much earlier in the Windows
XP lifecycle, I might say an upgrade version would be worth it but not in
this cicumstance.

It is true that an OEM version cannot be used to perform an in-place upgrade
of an existing installation of Windows. However, the OEM version works fine
for performing repairs and re-installs.

Good Luck,

Carl
 

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"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message
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> Richard wrote:
>> I have built a new computer and want to install XP Pro on it. From Newegg
>> I can purchase XP Pro OEM or Retail versions. Other than the $100 price
>> differential what are the differences between the 2 versions. Will either
>> version allow me to do a repair install? (if the occasion ever presents
>> itself).
>>
>> Richard
>
>
> There are some very important reasons that an OEM license costs so
> much less than a retail license. OEM licenses are very limited:
>
> 1) OEM versions must be sold with a piece of non-peripheral hardware
> (normally a motherboard or hard drive, if not an entire PC, although
> Microsoft has greatly relaxed the hardware criteria for WinXP) and are
> _permanently_ bound to the first PC on which they are installed.

Funny, I bought three that activated and passed the WGA and I didn't buy one
single piece of hardware.

> An OEM license, once installed, is not legally transferable to another
> computer under any circumstances.

It's only "legally" when MS gets off its duff and sues someone for copyright
breach. Until then, it's only MS' rules that you are breaking. If 120 days
have passed since the last hardware change on the first computer, an OEM can
technically be moved to another computer. Whether it's legal or not has not
been decided.

> This is the main reason some people avoid OEM versions; if the PC dies or
> is otherwise disposed of (even stolen), you cannot re-use your OEM license
> on a new PC. The only legitimate way to transfer the ownership of an OEM
> license is to transfer ownership of the entire PC.

As stated above, "legitimate" has not been decided in a court of law.
>
> 2) Microsoft provides no free support for OEM versions.

BFD.

> If you have any problems that require outside assistance, your only
> recourse is to contact the manufacturer/builder of the PC or the vendor of
> the OEM license.

Or post here.

> This would include such issues as lost a Product Key or replacing damaged
> installation media. (Microsoft does make allowances for those instances
> when you can prove that the OEM has gone out of business.) This doesn't
> mean that you can't download patches and service packs from Microsoft --
> just no free telephone or email support for problems with the OS.

BFD
>
> 3) An OEM CD cannot be used to perform an upgrade of an earlier OS,
> as it was designed to be installed _only_ upon an empty hard drive. It can
> still be used to perform a repair installation (a.k.a. an in-place
> upgrade) of an existing WinXP installation.

The OP is putting it on a new computer, not upgrading so, again, BFD.
>
> 4) If the OEM CD was designed by a specific manufacturer, such as
> eMachines, Sony, Dell, Gateway, etc., it will most likely only install on
> the same brand of PC, as an additional anti-piracy feature.

Um, the OP wrote and I quote, "I have built a new computer ... "

> Further, such CDs are severely customized to contain only the minimum of
> device drivers, and a lot of extra nonsense, that the manufacturer feels
> necessary for the specific model of PC for which the CD was designed. (To
> be honest, such CDs should _not_ be available on the open market; but, if
> you're shopping someplace on-line like eBay, swap meets, or computer
> fairs, there's often no telling what you're buying until it's too late.)
> The "generic" OEM CDs, such as are manufactured by Microsoft and sold to
> small systems builders, don't have this particular problem, though, and
> are pretty much the same as their retail counterparts, apart from the
> licensing, support, and upgrading restrictions.

>
>
>
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"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Richard wrote:
>> I have built a new computer and want to install XP Pro on it. From
>> Newegg I can purchase XP Pro OEM or Retail versions. Other than the
>> $100 price differential what are the differences between the 2
>> versions. Will either version allow me to do a repair install? (if
>> the occasion ever presents itself).
>
> OEM does not come with support from anyone other than those you actually
> made the purchase from.

Big deal.

> OEM is 'tied' to the first computer you install it on - even if that
> computer gets blown up in a freak accident but your software was safe in a
> vault in another country.

Not true. If 120 days have passed since the last hardware change, it can be
moved to another computer with no problems.

> OEM can do a CLEAN installation only.

It can also do a repair install.
>
> Personally - I would suggest you get retail. Not that you might use/need
> the support - but you never know.. Not that there isn't 'ways around' the
> 'tied' thing.. But just for the fallback possibility.

Not to mention the outrageous cost of retail. Only a fool would buy one.
>
> If you know what you are doing, however, OEM is fine.. You could use
> something like the Ultimate Windows Boot CD to recover in a pinch - plus
> your backups would make it a moot point as well as I am sure you properly
> maintain/secure your systems so it would have to be hardware failure
> anyway..
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP

If you build your own computers, OEM is the only sensible choice.

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Alias wrote:
> If you build your own computers, OEM is the only sensible choice.

Only if you also know what you are doing with the OS as well.
Just because someone "builds a computer", doesn't mean they know how to use
them.

Cheaper - yes.
Same in everything other than legalities/support - can be.
"Only" sensible choice - depends on who you are and your actual level of
expertise.

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Alias wrote:

>>
>>OEM does not come with support from anyone other than those you actually
>>made the purchase from.
>
>
> Big deal.
>
>


True, but some people like the idea of Microsoft support.


>>OEM is 'tied' to the first computer you install it on - even if that
>>computer gets blown up in a freak accident but your software was safe in a
>>vault in another country.
>
>
> Not true. If 120 days have passed since the last hardware change, it can be
> moved to another computer with no problems.
>
>

Actually, that paragraph should read: "Not true. If you have no
integrity and don't see anything wrong with breaking contracts...."



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Thanks for the input everyone. I feel confident with OEM, but I don't
see where purchasing hardware is required when buying the OEM version
(at Newegg).

Richard wrote:
> I have built a new computer and want to install XP Pro on it. From
> Newegg I can purchase XP Pro OEM or Retail versions. Other than the $100
> price differential what are the differences between the 2 versions. Will
> either version allow me to do a repair install? (if the occasion ever
> presents itself).
>
> Richard
 

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That's because, unlike what the MVPs would have you believe, hardware is no
longer a requirement.

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"Richard" <richard147@hotmail.com> wrote

> Thanks for the input everyone. I feel confident with OEM, but I don't see
> where purchasing hardware is required when buying the OEM version (at
> Newegg).
>
> Richard wrote:
>> I have built a new computer and want to install XP Pro on it. From Newegg
>> I can purchase XP Pro OEM or Retail versions. Other than the $100 price
>> differential what are the differences between the 2 versions. Will either
>> version allow me to do a repair install? (if the occasion ever presents
>> itself).
>>
>> Richard
 
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Alias wrote:
> That's because, unlike what the MVPs would have you believe, hardware
> is no longer a requirement.

Not like it ever was..
(Please send me a copy of the OEM version.. Yeah - the audio cable will be
fine for hardware.)

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I called MS and they told me that that requirement was dropped.

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"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote

> Alias wrote:
>> That's because, unlike what the MVPs would have you believe, hardware
>> is no longer a requirement.
>
> Not like it ever was..
> (Please send me a copy of the OEM version.. Yeah - the audio cable will be
> fine for hardware.)
>
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> MS-MVP
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>