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February 18, 2003 8:16:59 AM

One thing I can never understand what's up with all the benchmark comparison. It's like guys comparing who has the largest ego. Anyway, what's the point of all this, enlighten me, maybe I will get into it. Otherwise it's just looks plain stupid. "Oh, my machine has 16xxx benchmark, what's yours? 17xxx?? Hm... I need upgrade ASAP!"

Is this for gaming? As far as I know (I play all the latest FPS games) there is not even single game that requires all the power of the recent hardware, you can perfectly run games even on 1.5 Ghz machine with plenty of ram and good vid card. If you noticed the minium requirements are 5 or more times lower then the latest hardware.

Conclusion, no one really needs the latest hardware and those benchmarks or overclocking they are just irrelevant things to do for people who have no life.

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February 18, 2003 8:47:01 AM

That really depends on the game. Your definition of looking good and mine might be very different.

It's amazing how great your graphics look until you see the same game on a better system. Then you realize that the only reason yours looked good before is because you hadn't seen anything better.

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February 18, 2003 10:23:37 AM

Since you said we have no life, I won't answer you! :tongue:

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February 18, 2003 11:11:56 AM

I agree with you up to a point - the hordes of people crying their eyes out over their 3DMark 03 scores really do need to get a life.

However, benchmarks do serve a purpose - if I install some CAS 2 memory or overclock my cpu by 150Mhz or overclock my video card or whatever, it is nice to know how much of a difference it makes.
February 18, 2003 11:18:58 AM

dhlucke, I think you need to eat this guys brain too or have you already ? :smile:

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February 18, 2003 11:34:18 AM

I dunno...I had a LAN yesterday and one of my freinds has a XP2600 with a ATI 9700Pro. I have an XP 1700 and a GF3. His system put mine to shame. THe games loaded faster and the ran much faster on his machine. They looked much better as well. He definately had an advantage.

Let's all settle our political differences with a LAN.
February 18, 2003 2:54:17 PM

It takes a 2.4Ghz+ P4 or equivalent athlon and a GeForce 4 TI 4600 or equivalent Radeon to run C&C Generals at max detail smoothly in 1280x1024 or higher resolution.

He who has the highest framerate does not die so much.

What this had to do with benchmarking i havn't a friggan clue, but it does dispute yer insane idea bout p4 1.5's being sufficient. I just had to upgrade my 1.7 to a 2.53. Holy cow it made a huge difference.

Windows is like a house of cards... One wrong move and it all comes crashing down.
February 18, 2003 5:57:52 PM

I'm pretty sure I ate his already. I'm up to 1204 brains.

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February 18, 2003 7:46:38 PM

I will admit that benchmarking and upgrading every two months becomes something of an obsession. I hate it when I buy a component--say--a motherboard, and a month later another company releases a new chipset that's 3-5% faster with my processor. Ironically, even if I had the faster motherboard, I might never notice a difference in performance, but my benchmark scores would be higher and that's all that counts!

For the last year or so, I have cooled off substantially in my upgrading and now know there will be a very cool benefit: Next time I upgrade (in three or four months) I will have enough money to buy a high-end motherboard, RAM, processor, and graphics card all at one time, and when I get the system running, I will actually be able to NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE! :)  Unlike my previous upgrades where I was improving performance in such small increments it seemed like I was never upgrading. It's like if you buy all kinds of parts for your Honda Civic and install them to gain and extra 30-40 horse-power compared to saving your money and buying an Acura NSX later.

The benchmarks are great though. I still love 'em. Because of benchmarks, I know that the AMD 3000+ with DDR333 really is about 60% faster than my AMD 1800+. Because of benchmarks, I know that the processor pricing does correlate to overall performance. Because of benchmarking, I know that AMD's speed label (3000+) really does correlate pretty closely to Intel's Pentium in mega-hertz.

Benchmarking tools are awesome for judging the relative performance of different system components, but if you fall into the trap--like I did--of constantly upgrading, you will find yourself poorer and more jaded, and your system will never seem as fast as it really is.
February 18, 2003 11:05:00 PM

NFC what your bitching about,

Those of us who methodicly bechmark do it for the notoriety, and enjoy a very high performance system. Bragging rights comes with the territory.

And for what?? well I am sponsored by several manufacturers now and most of the stuff I get for free is unreleased hardware that would cost a bloody fortune to maintain my hardware rotation schedule. I rarely keep a machine a month. most motherboards are pulled apart in less than a week and shelved.

<b>"Granted I dont own a P4. But I read enough stuff and waste enough time on forums newsgroups IRC and computer news sites that I proberly know more then if I DID own a P4." -vk2amv</b>
February 19, 2003 12:29:04 AM

Are you allowed to give any of the hardware away? Schools could use it.

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February 19, 2003 1:40:59 AM

Well obviously you dont have a big Epenis.
Thats what benchmarking is all about didn't you know?

The 3dmark2001 number returned is a direct representation of the size and girth of you Epenis.

Im against most synthetic benchmarks, especially 3dmark... but the realistic ones like encoding or gaming ones do have their uses... easier to see which product provides the best bang/buck.
And what sort of gaming experience/ speed it should deliver.

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February 19, 2003 4:07:24 AM

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While "<A HREF="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hos" target="_new">ho(s)</A>" can shake their <A HREF="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=arse" target="_new">arse(s)</A>.

Slang. A prostitute.

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Dichromatic for your viewing plesure...
February 19, 2003 9:05:56 AM

who else here thinks fugger is just some fat 45 year old bald guy with an inferiority complex, who has nothing better to do than use his oppressing writing style to make himself look intelligent and superior in computer knowledge?

i could be wrong, but i really dont care lol... you sound like a real asshoole dude.

*prepares for counter flame.. gets pillow for lengthy essay-style read*

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February 19, 2003 10:34:22 AM

*Dons Asbestos Suit*
Only a bystander but you can never be too careful!

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February 19, 2003 3:47:17 PM

No need to flame you, as many people feel the love in my posts such as yourself. Im not an [-peep-] in RL, in fact I party hard and very easy going demeanor.

I answered this thread because I am one who benchmarks OC systems and this topic was worth replying too.

Lastly, it sounds like you care and you cannot guess worth a damn.

/shrug I hate long posts, I will skip them all together.



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February 19, 2003 5:35:56 PM

I give some stuff away, some stuff gets sent back working and broken.

<b>"Granted I dont own a P4. But I read enough stuff and waste enough time on forums newsgroups IRC and computer news sites that I proberly know more then if I DID own a P4." -vk2amv</b>
February 19, 2003 6:40:51 PM

i love benchmarking personnally, its like one gentleman said in the thread, it gives you bragging rights! Darn straight!!!
i love my setup, but im always trying to make it go faster and not change the hardware, but if you ask me, windows 98 is the best for testing on (in my admittitedly limited experience) but explain this..
Windows 98se scores me a nice 13885 in 3dmark 2001se
Windows XP Pro I cant even get near to 13600 in 3dmark 2001se!! with the same darn hardware! how frustrating is that?
my xp1800 with 512mbs and a nice gigabyte 9700 pro is great, its just needs to be faster.. but my question, but with what?
intel or amd? well this is the question that has plagued mankind for centuries... to intel or not to intel...

if all else fails... kick it and if it goes wrong, say it wasnt you...
February 19, 2003 8:23:08 PM

thats just the mental image i got when i read your post Fug-man
February 19, 2003 10:10:45 PM

lol I'd spit on a windows 98 CD before putting that OS on my computer. A Very happy windows XP user.

As for williamC. I'm running C&C generals on a 1800+ @ xp2000 (333fsb) @ 1280x960 Haven't seen 1280x1024 in the menu. At high detail on a Radeon 9700 pro. Runs great.
I don't think a P4 2ghz is needed just a good videocard!


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February 20, 2003 4:36:43 PM

well, i must admit, xp pro looks better, but seems to slow down my system, like i said, i cant get no where near the performance of my 98 3dmark 2001se score.. something must be up.. and that was with older drivers!
i did some tests when i had 98 installed, in 3dmark 2000/1 i was scoring sometimes 1000 or more points in 98 that i was in xp.. i have no idea why.. im still trying to break the 14k barrier with my system.. i think i need a faster cpu to be honest!


If it blows up? Opps.... I must have been doing something wrong
February 20, 2003 4:48:44 PM

wow phill21, 285 points between the two. Your right, stick with Win98 so you can 'not notice' the difference between the two (sarcasm).

I mean its nice to be the best, but if you use windows 98 instead of XP for 300 measly points? thats a bit sad.

RaPTuRe

Who's General Failure and why's he reading my disk?
February 20, 2003 5:05:09 PM

I like 98. It might crash all the time, but:
a) I don't have to f**k about 'activating' it...
b) it <i>is</i> faster
c) XP is <i>not</i> as stable and marvellous as people think...


I work on a win98 PC. It's fairly stable. I've been working on an XP machine for a customer for a couple of weeks, and can honestly say that although my (win98) PC has had to deal with a lot more (Compiling stuff, database crunching, and of course playing mp3s all the time :) 
the XP one has needed rebooting much more often.

Hell, I would've stuck with Win95 if I hadn't needed win98 to install some drivers for something.....

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February 20, 2003 5:07:43 PM

well since most people go for ice cooling or what have you, i went for a different os :) 
i never said i AM using 98, i said i WAS using 98.
I have xp pro installed which is ok, but i dont like as much as 98...
isnt it ok to have a preference?

If it blows up? Opps.... I must have been doing something wrong
February 20, 2003 5:10:03 PM

isnt it all about bragging rights as well? or well thats what i heard anyway...285 points? its more along the lines of 500 :tongue:

If it blows up? Opps.... I must have been doing something wrong
February 20, 2003 5:51:56 PM

Hell, I play games on a 733MHz Pentium III (Home PC). Dungeon Siege, Age of Mythology, UT2003, MGS, DivX movies all run fine (for me at least)

No one does need the latest hardware, and there really is no point trying to get the best benchmark because you won't. Hell, if I had $10,000 to spare I could go out and get all the latest crap, but my benchmark would still suck because some japanese dude would have his MOBO immersed in a tank of liquid N2 and be able to OC his P4 to like 5GHz or something.

So no, benchmarks don't matter, enjoying yourself is what counts. Gimme a 486 and 16 colour DOS games and I can have fun for hours.

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February 20, 2003 6:27:09 PM

<<<isnt it all about bragging rights as well? or well thats what i heard anyway...285 points? its more along the lines of 500 >>>>

13885-13600 = 285

a) WinXP. I didnt have to "activate" mine.
b) it is not ALWAYS faster (i.e. 2 proc system??)
c) I have never had XP crash on me (actually once, but that was bcos of unstable drivers)

But I understand why one would stick with Windows 98, and I'm just teasin about the 300 point gap. Hell I have a lot to brag about myself.

(notebook gets 7305 3Dmarks 2001SE and is only a 1.7GHz)
RaPTuRe


Who's General Failure and why's he reading my disk?
February 20, 2003 6:53:00 PM

Your statement is akin to talking to car buffs about their vehicles (engine size, transmission, etc.) and then mocking them when they give you their 1/4 mile time. The 1/4 mile time is a measure of the quality of their work. If you are in to computers then you benchmark and tweak ... and benchmark and tweak ... until you squeeze every bit of power you can out of it. If you don't benchmark then you don't know how successfull you are. If you don't benchmark then I don't think you could consider yourself a computer buff. In which case your comments are understandable. By the way I get 15200 in 3DMark.

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February 21, 2003 12:39:58 AM

That happened to me too. 11,500's under 98SE, 8500's under XP, exactly the same machine. What's up with that?
I think it might be the M/B drivers.

PS I'm still running XP because the damn thing just runs for months where I had to reboot the machine under 98 about once a week. Also there is no games I can see a diff in yet anyway so who cares.
February 21, 2003 2:19:34 AM

i usually had to boot my machine every 6 hours or so under 98se

XP, i usually shut it down to save electricity before i actually need a reboot
February 21, 2003 7:54:31 AM

i dont really know, although i will say this..
blame it all on mircosoft..
xp is ok, but i didnt have that many problems with 98 to be honest.. but xp is a pain, because most of the older games that i like to play dont work and even the compatiblity thing doesnt do anything much for them either.. which is a pain in the arse..

If it blows up? Opps.... I must have been doing something wrong
February 21, 2003 11:57:38 AM

XP works fine for me...quicker boots, I cant notice a difference in gaming...the NT based os is so much better than 9X

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February 21, 2003 1:18:17 PM

xp is ok, but i wouldnt say overall it was worse than 98, nor is it a lot better.. there are a few things that like about it, but its all just personal opinions

If it blows up? Opps.... I must have been doing something wrong
February 21, 2003 3:17:22 PM

You must excuse mr zlcd. He thinks my entire life is computers b/c I post in the Flat Panels section and know what I'm talking about. He thinks b/c this I know nothing else and hate my life. So not true, not even close to true, but eh, whatever, gotta let him have fun. Hmm, I wonder how much fish I'll catch ice fishing now.

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February 21, 2003 6:39:43 PM

I still like 98SE. I have XP Pro, 2000 Pro, XP Home, etc. I just like the fact that my machine shuts down in under 4 seconds. I optimize that daylights out of it. I never have any problems. I only ever have networking issues but that is only when I am on someone elses network that isn't configured for 98. Normally only file sharing issues. It doesn't bother me.

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February 21, 2003 6:41:59 PM

Grub,

What games were you playing? OpenGL apps?

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