WTT - links on your websites for links on mine

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Just thought this might be a quick way to benefit us both in search engine
results. I would put a link to your site on
http://artsarcadegames.com/video_games.htm and you would put up a link to my
Fluke 9010 pages at http://artfromny.com/artfromny/fluke_9010.htm

seems like that would help everyone get noticed a bit more

--
Art

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I guess I should say that everybody in RGVAC knows me since this will
end up in RGP as well

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On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 01:32:29 GMT, "Rob Carroll"
<robert.carroll30@verizon.net> wrote:

>> just get lost spam boy and stop pimping our hobby :-)
>
>I don't really know who you are, but Art has contributed more to this hobby
>than you'll ever hope to.
>
>It's the truth.
>
>Rob
>
>

probably becaus ei don't look to grow my pockets off pinball ;-)

Pinlicious ( ...there is no spoon.)

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There's nothing wrong with running a successful business. Just because
it's a hobby to you doesn't mean what he does is wrong.

By the way, there is a spoon. In fact, I have a whole drawer full. If
you go by Wendy's you can pick up one in a plastic wrapper even.

Paul

pinlicious wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 01:32:29 GMT, "Rob Carroll"
> <robert.carroll30@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>just get lost spam boy and stop pimping our hobby :-)
>>
>>I don't really know who you are, but Art has contributed more to this hobby
>>than you'll ever hope to.
>>
>>It's the truth.
>>
>>Rob
>>
>>
>
>
> probably becaus ei don't look to grow my pockets off pinball ;-)
>
> Pinlicious ( ...there is no spoon.)
>

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If this hobby / newsgroup is going to come down against people making a few
bucks . . . well I may be guilty of that. I hope it doesn't come to that
though. I don't know what the definition of "pimping the hobby" is.

Making money is not a crime. Making obscene amounts of money has never
seemed to be a crime either (At least they haven't busted Gates for it yet
;-) The hobby is great because all kinds of people are involved !!

Art, Bob Roberts, Rick Schieve, Cliffy, Darin Jacobs . . . etc (Lots more
names on this list) are all good people and dedicated to the hobby despite
the fact they may have made a few bucks over time on it. Heck if this is
their sole income they better make alot !!

I hope this doesn't go against anyone making money on the hobby or I guess
I'll have to bail also . . . :-(


--
Kerry Stair

Mantis Amusements "Its all about Pinball"


"Steve Muccione" <home*DOT*muccione@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:B8Ate.10547$eC1.88@trndny04...
> Dude.. are you a moron?
>
> Without people like Art, Bob Roberts, etc... there wouldn't BE a hobby as
> there would be no supply of parts.
>
> Let's face it, without people like Art with pockets deep enough and
> warehouses big enough to encourage the old Ops to open up their warehouses
> there would be NO ready supply of replacements on the market.
>
> Just go away...
>
> "pinlicious" <pinlicious@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0gbcb1th54d2opngci012gd5rgocoa8bf0@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 01:32:29 GMT, "Rob Carroll"
>> <robert.carroll30@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> just get lost spam boy and stop pimping our hobby :-)
>>>
>>>I don't really know who you are, but Art has contributed more to this
>>>hobby
>>>than you'll ever hope to.
>>>
>>>It's the truth.
>>>
>>>Rob
>>>
>>>
>>
>> probably becaus ei don't look to grow my pockets off pinball ;-)
>>
>> Pinlicious ( ...there is no spoon.)
>>
>
>

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While many of the guys named in this thread so far are great sellers and ARE
true "assets to the hobby" - I'll kindly disagree on Art and Todd.. and I'm
leaving it at that. I've beat that drum plenty of times already.

I guess what I'm trying to say, in a nutshell, is just because somebody sold you
something, or gave you something, that doesn't make the rest of what they do
cool or beneficial to the hobby. So let's not blindly place them on an
undeserved pedestal.

Surely many of you will disagree with me and that's fine. I know there's others
that don't. And that's good enough for me. : )

Richard

On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:11:58 GMT, "Steve Muccione"
<home*DOT*muccione@verizon.net> wrote:

>oh, yeah... and let's not forget Todd who has freaking given away more cabs
>then pinidiot will ever own...
>
>"Kerry Stair" <info@mantisamusements.com> wrote in message
>news:f_edndZ3kMAJTyvfRVn-iQ@comcast.com...
>> If this hobby / newsgroup is going to come down against people making a
>> few bucks . . . well I may be guilty of that. I hope it doesn't come to
>> that though. I don't know what the definition of "pimping the hobby" is.
>>
>> Making money is not a crime. Making obscene amounts of money has never
>> seemed to be a crime either (At least they haven't busted Gates for it yet
>> ;-) The hobby is great because all kinds of people are involved !!
>>
>> Art, Bob Roberts, Rick Schieve, Cliffy, Darin Jacobs . . . etc (Lots more
>> names on this list) are all good people and dedicated to the hobby despite
>> the fact they may have made a few bucks over time on it. Heck if this is
>> their sole income they better make alot !!
>>
>> I hope this doesn't go against anyone making money on the hobby or I guess
>> I'll have to bail also . . . :-(
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kerry Stair
>>
>> Mantis Amusements "Its all about Pinball"
>>
>>
>> "Steve Muccione" <home*DOT*muccione@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:B8Ate.10547$eC1.88@trndny04...
>>> Dude.. are you a moron?
>>>
>>> Without people like Art, Bob Roberts, etc... there wouldn't BE a hobby as
>>> there would be no supply of parts.
>>>
>>> Let's face it, without people like Art with pockets deep enough and
>>> warehouses big enough to encourage the old Ops to open up their
>>> warehouses there would be NO ready supply of replacements on the market.
>>>
>>> Just go away...
>>>
>>> "pinlicious" <pinlicious@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:0gbcb1th54d2opngci012gd5rgocoa8bf0@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 01:32:29 GMT, "Rob Carroll"
>>>> <robert.carroll30@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> just get lost spam boy and stop pimping our hobby :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't really know who you are, but Art has contributed more to this
>>>>>hobby
>>>>>than you'll ever hope to.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's the truth.
>>>>>
>>>>>Rob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> probably becaus ei don't look to grow my pockets off pinball ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Pinlicious ( ...there is no spoon.)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

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You left yourself out, Kerry, another great asset to the hobby And
no, I couldn't survive myself let alone feed and house my family on
pinball protectors and game restorations. I have a feeling that some of
us do it for the love of the games and some do indeed do it for the
money. No law against either as far as I know. Let the market determine
the value of your product, I say. If no one likes it, no one will buy
it. If there is a need there will always be someone to fill it

Kerry Stair wrote:
> If this hobby / newsgroup is going to come down against people making a few
> bucks . . . well I may be guilty of that. I hope it doesn't come to that
> though. I don't know what the definition of "pimping the hobby" is.
>
> Making money is not a crime. Making obscene amounts of money has never
> seemed to be a crime either (At least they haven't busted Gates for it yet
> ;-) The hobby is great because all kinds of people are involved !!
>
> Art, Bob Roberts, Rick Schieve, Cliffy, Darin Jacobs . . . etc (Lots more
> names on this list) are all good people and dedicated to the hobby despite
> the fact they may have made a few bucks over time on it. Heck if this is
> their sole income they better make alot !!
>
> I hope this doesn't go against anyone making money on the hobby or I guess
> I'll have to bail also . . . :-(
>
>

--
Cliffy - CARGPB2
A passion for pinball!
http://www.passionforpinball.com

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> Let's face it, without people like Art with pockets deep enough and
> warehouses big enough to encourage the old Ops to open up their warehouses
> there would be NO ready supply of replacements on the market.

This might be applicable to vids, but I haven't seen too many helpful
posts or anything else from Art. Many, many other folks out there
'take care of us' a lot better than he does. Some of them replied in
this thread.

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As much as I like koz when I saw that he didnt consider you part of the
group, well, I think everyone can see he just reached a little too far
with that one I mean, c'mon. Not a part of the groups? Lloyd *is* the
welcome wagon! No one covers the newbies with first helps more than
Lloyd. No one. Beyond that he's always there to share absolutely freely
his knowledge of the games.

Lloyd Olson wrote:
> john, I didn't realize that owning games myself was a requirement to be a
> full fledged member.
>
> Did you know that the first poll on rgp showed out of 52 respondents, 32
> didn't own any games ? Lots of big names responded to that poll. Would you
> consider them not really part of rgp too ?
>
> Thankfully those that started rgp didn't limit membership or moderate it.
> Rgp has had it's ups and downs. But the variety of posters including
> designers, manufacturers, programmers, operators, enthusiasts, collectors,
> hobbyists, distributors, show organizers, tournament organizers, restorers,
> etc., etc., have all been part of what makes RGP great. IMHO LTG
>
> "pinlicious" <pinlicious@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:l91eb1h0sd29rm4dqer48s0g5s1sq6o0dh@4ax.com...
>
>
>>lloyd, while you are in the group, i'll never felt like you are really
>>a part of it. you are an op, so you are excluded from my harsh
>>definition of pth as long as you keep oping stern games or even any
>>new manufacturer IF that ever happens. if you had games at home and a
>>private collection and told a story once in a while about you PLAYING
>>the games, maybe i would see things different with you. it's great
>>that you give tech advice, but if i sat in a chair all day with
>>nothing else to do, i guess i would find some outlet as well in
>>between making change. IMHO.
>>
>>lastly, save the spoon jokes fellas, they have all been told ;-)
>>
>>Pinlicious ( ...there is no spoon.)
>
>
>

--
Cliffy - CARGPB2
A passion for pinball!
http://www.passionforpinball.com

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but I haven't seen too many helpful
posts or anything else from Art.

Who throned you to deem that his job?

Dance clown, dance.

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I have to agree with Cliffy on this one. Lloyd seems to go out of his
way to help folks. I know he was very helpful to me when Istarted
collecting. He had nothing to gain from helping me, and still gave of
his time. While it may be true that his position as an op gives him
additional time to do so (I do not live his life or run his business so
I do not know), he certainly does not have an obligation to help
others. I choose to not question that generosity or his motives, as I
would not question Koz's generosity or motives when he shares playing
tips or organizes Pinbrawl. I assume that both do it out of a
combination for love of the hobby and self interest, both of which are
no problem for me.

There are plenty of folks who could help and have the time to do so who
choose not to help. Obviously, why folks choose to help (or not help)
is open to interpretation, but my read (for what it is worth) is that
Lloyd (and the other usual suspects) does so as a service to the
pinball community. Others may see it differently, and they are
certainly entitled to their opinion.

I certainly do not have Koz's level of experience with the pinball
world, and maybe when I do I will share his skepticism. I do agree
that there are some folks who seem to appear on the group only when
there is a dollar to be made, and seldom at other times. By the same
token, I see other folks who are here often, offering help, tips and
advice. In most cases, the hobby gets more benefit from their efforts
than they do as individuals. I think that there are two types of folks
who "turn coin" on the hobby. The PTH designation and definition works
for some. But, there is a second group, who are in business, but
helping the hobby. They make a buck here and there, but they really
seem to care. Maybe they have me fooled, but I do not think so.

In my mind, there are guys who are distinctly in each group, and guys
who move back and forth between the two. For me, Lloyd, Ray, Cliffy,
Kerry, John, Daina and the other obvious suspects (sorry to those I
left out) fall into the category of doing business while providing a
valuable service to the community.

There are other folks (not those mentioned above) who seem to show up
only when there is a buck to be made, but that is life and business.
There is nothing wrong with making a living on coin op machines, after
all, that is what the machines were designed to do.

But, I agree with Koz that in some cases, the are some folks seem to
want both the money and credit for being humanitarians and providing
service to the community. Sometimes, that can be a little cloying. I
probably would not express it the same way, but I understand the
underlying feeling.

FWIW

Ron


Cliffy wrote:
> As much as I like koz when I saw that he didnt consider you part of the
> group, well, I think everyone can see he just reached a little too far
> with that one I mean, c'mon. Not a part of the groups? Lloyd *is* the
> welcome wagon! No one covers the newbies with first helps more than
> Lloyd. No one. Beyond that he's always there to share absolutely freely
> his knowledge of the games.
>
>

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In article <f_edndZ3kMAJTyvfRVn-iQ@comcast.com>, Kerry Stair says...
>
>If this hobby / newsgroup is going to come down against people making a few
>bucks . . . well I may be guilty of that. I hope it doesn't come to that
>though. I don't know what the definition of "pimping the hobby" is.

Just because someone posts 150 times a day to this newsgroup does NOT make them
a spokesperson for it. Too many of the good folks like you Kerry have been run
off because of the constant attacks that are disguised as being "for the good of
the hobby" or "protecting the newbies" or "hey, it's my opinion and I can spew
it as much as I want", etc.

Frankly, I miss the days where the biggest noise on this group was John Shields.
He seemed to have nothing better to do than be a constant jerk, but at least he
seemed to limit his posting to less than 50 times a day, so he was easier to
filter out.

>Making money is not a crime. Making obscene amounts of money has never
>seemed to be a crime either (At least they haven't busted Gates for it yet
>;-) The hobby is great because all kinds of people are involved !!

The real hilarity of this situation is the fact that some of these "anti anyone
making a buck" guys actually claim to own their own business. You have to wonder
how that's working out for them???

>I hope this doesn't go against anyone making money on the hobby or I guess
>I'll have to bail also . . . :-(

If you do, and too many more people follow, it's just Koz and Gary on this
board. I'm sure a lot more folks would like to see you stay than have that
happen. :-)


--
Kyle Wren
"Worst... Ball... EVER!!"

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I'm not a member of the pinball scene (though someday I hope to own a
Triple Strike) so this question may be simple to the regulars, but what
have you done for "the hobby"?

Paul



Koz Pinlicious wrote:
> Lloyd Olson Jun 20, 4:42 pm show options
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> From: "Lloyd Olson" <l...@ssbilliards.com> - Find messages by this
> author
> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:42:10 -0500
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>
>
>>john, I didn't realize that owning games myself was a requirement to be a
>
> full fledged member.
>
> member of what? i simply stated how -i- felt people pimp the hobby. if
> you don't personally own or PLAY pinball, i just have a real hard time
> seeing the love of the hobby in someone.
>
>
>>Did you know that the first poll on rgp showed out of 52 respondents, 32
>
> didn't own any games ?
>
> considering when that poll was taken, i would say that was a massive
> amount of people owning games. wouldn't you? also, you can bet probably
> 99% of those people played pinball on a regular basis.
>
> >Lots of big names responded to that poll. Would you
> consider them not really part of rgp too ?
>
> everyone who posts here is part of rgp, it is a newsgroup. you simply
> need to read or post to be a part of that. to be part of the hobby, i
> feel you should AT LEAST own machines in a personal collection or AT
> WORST -PLAY- pinball on a regular basis to not fall in the PTH
> category. how many people on the newsgroup DON'T play pinball on at
> least a weekly basis on average? i would say almost everyone.
>
>
>>Thankfully those that started rgp didn't limit membership or moderate it.
>
>
> sure, why would they? DID I EVER SAY TO LIMIT MEMBERSHIP OR MODERATE
> RGP? you falling off base.
>
> Rgp has had it's ups and downs. But the variety of posters including
> designers, manufacturers, programmers, operators, enthusiasts,
> collectors,
> hobbyists, distributors, show organizers, tournament organizers,
> restorers,
> etc., etc., have all been part of what makes RGP great. IMHO LTG
>
> i think the people who make rgp great don't fall under the category or
> PTH. you seem to be turning this into a rgp thing when i only was
> stating how certain people PIMP THE HOBBY.
>
> people who pth can post on rgp all they want just as i can bash them
> for it. they do nothing out of caring for anything or anyone except
> themselves.
>
> Pinlicious ( ...there is no spoon.)
>

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kyle,

try to pay attention buddy. it is funny how you fall so far off base
when you reply. look, no-one is attacking kerry, so calm down. kerry
actually COLLECTS pinball machines and even plays in a league. so go
re-read the deffinition
spas boy ;-)

Pinlicious ( ...there is no spoon.)

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I think some of y'all are being a little harsh
on John. I understand the drift of what he's
trying to say, and I do agree with him 100%.

It must be something with the written word vs.
the spoken, but I know what he means. I'd say
not to take this personal if it doesn't fit the description
he's given. It's simply his view, and probably
the view of a number of folks that really care
about pinball, and what it's become of late.

And yes, he does his share for "The Hobby",
just like many other fine folks do.

--
Fred
TX
CARGPB#8
******************




"Paul Gifford" <pgifford@no.no.nanette.verizon.net> wrote in message news:KNIte.111$G4.105@trnddc09...
> I'm not a member of the pinball scene (though someday I hope to own a
> Triple Strike) so this question may be simple to the regulars, but what
> have you done for "the hobby"?
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Koz Pinlicious wrote:
> > Lloyd Olson Jun 20, 4:42 pm show options
> >
> > Newsgroups: rec.games.pinball, rec.games.video.arcade.collecting,
> > rec.games.video.arcade.marketplace
> > From: "Lloyd Olson" <l...@ssbilliards.com> - Find messages by this
>

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Koz Pinlicious wrote:
>
> As much as I like koz when I saw that he didnt consider you part of the
>
> group, well, I think everyone can see he just reached a little too far
> with that one I mean, c'mon. Not a part of the groups? Lloyd *is*
> the
> welcome wagon! No one covers the newbies with first helps more than
> Lloyd. No one. Beyond that he's always there to share absolutely freely
>
> his knowledge of the games.
>
>
> cliffy,
>
> WAKE UP! i didn't say that.
>
> shesh!
>
> how did you twist me saying SOME people pth into me saying that lloyd
> wasn't part of rgp?
>
> please re-read, your posting untruths.
>
> Pinlicious ( ...there is no spoon.)
>

John, here is the actual quote from your post. Please, please don't
accuse me of spreading untruths. Please, ok? You know me better than
that. Thanks

"lloyd, while you are in the group, i'll never felt like you are really
a part of it"

--
Cliffy - CARGPB2
A passion for pinball!
http://www.passionforpinball.com

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Hang on. I'm getting bloody confused here.

Am i reading RGVAC or RGP???

I'm sure i've never subscribed to RGP.

(And before anyone chirps up that you don't subscribe to newsgroups, i
read through google groups digests so that's exactly what i do).

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Umm, what did I do?