Duron 1400? Here's what I found...

[skligmund]

Well, for a while, I was looking for the elusive Duron 1400 I heard about. I noticed the auctions selling Duron 1400 equiped computers. Well, at E-Bay I was searching the processor pages for Duron 1400, and I found a Mobo-CPU combo with the 1400. In the description, I found the following link:

http://www.pcchips.com.tw/product/M810DLUv52c.html

Apparently, the 1400 is only available as an onboard processor.

If anybody else has any information that pertains to this, please post, I'm curious about how this came to be.

My Duron 1300 eats P4's for dinner. Oh, the Celerons make a nice snack too.

 

[scamtrOn]

well i hope i'm right, but i don't even remember where i know this from.


IF i'm correct, the 1400 duron is actually a 1gh mobile cpu. its real name is 1400+... or something like that.

<font color=orange><b>as you get older, your hard drive becomes floppy, but don't fear viagra is here. viagra puts the hard back in your drive!!!

 

[skligmund]

Yes, I did see the 1400+ thing. Also, unless it was a lie or misprint, I saw a 1600+ Duron.

I want one.

Does the Mobile Duron work in desktops? If so, I gotta get one for overclocking.

My Duron 1300 eats P4's for dinner. Oh, the Celerons make a nice snack too.

 

[scamtrOn]

dood... there is a problem with that. it is a mobile cpu, in other words it is the kind of cpu that is soldered on, so can not be used in a ZIF socket. that is also why you can only find them as an on-board cpu.



someone put a stop to my bull shitt please... or back me up on my bs and make me feel good

<font color=orange><b>as you get older, your hard drive becomes floppy, but don't fear viagra is here. viagra puts the hard back in your drive!!!

 

[scamtrOn]

btw why don't you just buy an AXP??????????

<font color=orange><b>as you get older, your hard drive becomes floppy, but don't fear viagra is here. viagra puts the hard back in your drive!!!

 

[skligmund]

Hard to find things in Alaska, and E-Bay ain't got crap for anything woth a damn.

Somebody please shoot me for not thinking about that, I keep remembering the K6-III+ 450 that I overclocked to 900 MHz, that processor was a mobile.

My Duron 1300 eats P4's for dinner. Oh, the Celerons make a nice snack too.

 

[scamtrOn]

so why don't you buy an AXP???

<font color=orange><b>as you get older, your hard drive becomes floppy, but don't fear viagra is here. viagra puts the hard back in your drive!!!

 

[skligmund]

Where?

My Duron 1300 eats P4's for dinner. Oh, the Celerons make a nice snack too.

 

[dhlucke]

http://www.newegg.com/

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[skligmund]

Aha! I think I just figured out what you meant by AXP. At first, i thought it was a code on the processor, but now I realize it is AthlonXP.

Reason for NOT buying one:

MOBO doesn't support XP's

I don't have enough money to buy new MOBO, RAM (I have 1 Gig of PC133) and processor.

I can't sell this one, because it has a problem (at least I believe it to be a MOBO issue).

I can't play hardcore 3D games. Even changing my Graphics card, and removing all other cards from MOBO. I start GTAIII and it either just quits to Windows, or restarts computer. Same with Ghost Recon and other directX 8 games. Half-Life set to the max has no problems, or most other older pre-DX8 games. It isn't bios, it isn't software (believe me, I know), it isn't RAM, it isn't PSU, it isn't graphics card and it isn't CPU. My conclusion is the MOBO. And probably something to do with the 686B south bridge daboot.

I am thinking about getting an Athlon 1.4 though, even though it is a 133 FSB chip, I have confidence this MOBO will handle it. Anyway, that is what I was trying to OC my Duron to, 133 FSB, but it won't unlock.

My Duron 1300 eats P4's for dinner. Oh, the Celerons make a nice snack too.

 

[phsstpok]

What mobo are you using?

I've put an XP1700+ (Tbred B) into Epox 8KTA3PRO (KT133A) and into Abit KT7 (KT133) mobos. I modified the L3 bridges on the XP1700+ to make it look like an XP2400+. On the KT7 genuine XP2100+ and XP2400+ (both Tbred B) work without mods. Just clear the CMOS and they boot fine. The XP2400+ will boot at 20 x 100.

Don't know if an XP1700+ will work on the KT7 without modifying though since I had already modified it before testing on the KT7. It does work on the 8KTA3PRO without mods.

<b>99% is great, unless you are talking about system stability</b>

 

[skligmund]

KT7E with KT133E chipset. Yes, I know some versions of KT7A can use xp's, but this one can't.

My Duron 1300 eats P4's for dinner. Oh, the Celerons make a nice snack too.

 

[phsstpok]

Yes, it can. JMC2 is using an XP2400+ in the KT7E. My KT7 is even older and it works there too.

<b>99% is great, unless you are talking about system stability</b>

 

[skligmund]

How? Do you have to cut and paste the bridges on the CPU? A-Bit AND VIA say the XP won't run on the KT133E/KT7E. Now you have me interested.....

My Duron 1300 eats P4's for dinner. Oh, the Celerons make a nice snack too.

 

[scamtrOn]

"cut and paste"??? woot since when can you cut and paste? i like your idea.

<font color=orange><b>as you get older, your hard drive becomes floppy, but don't fear viagra is here. viagra puts the hard back in your drive!!!

 

[phsstpok]

I'll give you a quick explanation and then direct you over to long thread which has everything I know about this subject.

XP2400+ Tbred B will work unmodified. Just drop it in and it will POST at 20 x 100, after you clear CMOS. BIOS doesn't <b>[<-- correction]</b> know from XP's so it will say "Unknown CPU" at POST but it still works.

I'm too cheap to buy an XP2400+ so I bought an XP1700+ (Tbred B not Palomino) and modified it. The L3 bridges control the default multiplier. On the XP1700+ they normal C-C-C-C-C (C means closed, O mean open). The XP2400+ has the bridges set at C-C-C-O-O. So, I just cut the 4th and 5th bridges with a razor blade. This is a bit hairy because you can't see how deep to cut but it's not very deep. Now my proceesor has a default mulitplier of 15x.

The KT7 and KT7E default to 20 x 100 or an XP2400+. Don't know why but at least it POSTS and at the correct speed 2000 Mhz.

Now the links

Most of my posts (I get to KT7 later on in the thread)

<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=659735#659735" target="_new">http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=659735#659735</A>

JMC2's thread

<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=658692#658692" target="_new">http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=658692#658692</A>

Wes Newell's homepage (where I first got my information. He knows a lot about Abit K7 mobos).

<A HREF="http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/" target="_new">http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/</A>.

Good AMD overclocking resource. (I use Google Groups to access Usenet)

<font color=red>alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd</font color=red>


<b>99% is great, unless you are talking about system stability</b><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by phsstpok on 02/21/03 04:40 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[skligmund]

O.K.

As of right NOW I am on the prowl for a TBred B 1700. If any of you know where I can find one (100 percent sure it is a TBred B), please do tell. newegg is a coin flip, as is everywhere else I have looked. I'm looking at E-Bay right now, I just asked a pile of sellers what CPU that 1700 they are selling is. We'll see how many TBred B's are found

My Duron 1300 eats P4's for dinner. Oh, the Celerons make a nice snack too.

 

[phsstpok]

Got mine at Newegg but I seem to recall that someone here at THG gave a link for guaranteed Tbred B's.

As for your original game crashing problem try this before resorting to swapping hardware.

Uninstall then reinstall the VIA 4-in-1 driver. Use the installer once to uninstall the old components. Don't restart when prompted but run the installer a second and let the drivers install then restart.

Uninstall and reinstall your video card drivers. If you have Windows 9X/ME and use an nVidia then use Detonator Destroyer to get rid stray nVidia files.

If you have Windows 9X/ME or 2K then uninstall and reinstall DirectX. You'll need DirectX Eradicator.

This has worked for me at cleaning up the following problems; blinking cursor after Windows splash screen, AGP not working at proper speed, performance issues, desktop stuck in 640x480 16 colors (only fixes sometimes), and a host of other quirky issues.

<A HREF="http://guru3d.com" target="_new">http://guru3d.com</A> has Detonator Destroyer.

DirectX Eradicator (9X/ME/2K only)
<A HREF="http://www1.freewebz.com/firecat/" target="_new">http://www1.freewebz.com/firecat/</A>


<b>99% is great, unless you are talking about system stability</b><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by phsstpok on 02/22/03 04:18 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[skligmund]

Well shoot, here is my problem. First, I will list my hardware.

PSU: Antec 320 Watt (As shown on mfg. sticker)
Processor: AMD Duron 1300
Motherboard: A-Bit KT7E With KT133E NB and 686B SB
RAM: 128MB PC133, 256MB PC133, 512MB PC133
Video Card: GeForce4 MX-440se
Sound Card: Hercules Muse 5.1 DVD
NIC: Realtek RTL8139/810X PCI
Drives: WD 40@7200
Maxtor 40@5600
HP CD-WRITER CD16
Liteon DVD 12X
Standard 3.5" Floppy
OS: Windows XP Pro

O.K.

I don't recall when the problems started, I think it was after I broke my Duron 1000 (installing HSF when I knew nothing about breaking the chip) and installing GeForce4 MX-440 (not same one as installed now), replacing a GeForce2 MX-200. At that time, I had WinXP Home installed.

The problem I get is:
Running games such as GTAIII and Ghost Recon, my computer decides to either return to windows with no error message, or just restart, like the power was off then back on.

My troubleshooting accomplished:

I re-installed all drivers, including using older versions or beta versions.
I Re-installed OS (gone through Win98SE, WinXP Home and WinXP Pro, same problem)
Removed all other hardware from PCI slots, no change.
Run every possible permutation for anything through the bios, including driving strength set at FF (like it is right now).
Updated the bios to the newest version.
Installed my old GeForce2 MX-200 (wich I had sold to my friend, who let me borrow it) NO CHANGE.

Conclusion:

As I type this, I feel I might try unplugging one of my CD-ROMS, my Maxtor Harddrive and my floppy, to see if the power supply is doing it. The only issue with that is the old power supply I originally had was like 270 watts or something (it ran a PentiumII), this one is an Antec that seems stable and such.
My other thought is it is the AGP conroller (damn 686B South Bridge) or voltage to the AGP slot.

This system runs fine with any other game that I have, none of wich are DirectX 8. MS Flight Simulator 200 pro, set at max graphics settings with 1024x768x32 (12-100 FPS, pending scenery) runs indefinently. As does any other non-DirectX 8 game I use. So it leads me to believe it is the AGP controller, must have been damaged some how I guess. Like I said, I used every version of Via's and Microsoft's AGP controller (and others) that I could find.

If anybody else has an idea, please feel free to respond.

Thanks.



My Duron 1300 eats P4's for dinner. Oh, the Celerons make a nice snack too.

 

[phsstpok]

Don't know what to tell you except the clean driver install always works for me. My nephew's computer is the KT7 system and it has a Geforce2. I periodically check it with my latest games (though I'm only a casual gamer) just to make sure the drivers haven't "broken" which seems to happen whenever you change anything. I've tested UT2003 demo on that machine, sluggish but it doesn't crash, so I know DirectX 8 games work on older hardware. (I should give BF1942 a test, not exactly new but it is very hardware demanding).

I forgot that you mentioned the 686B Southbridge. The main problem with this is the data corruption issue. Transfer large amounts of data over the PCI bus and you get data corruption, sometimes. The fix is George Briese's PCI Latency Patch (version 0.10 for older boards).

Later VIA 4-in-1's were said to incorporate this as were later BIOSes but I heard reports that only the patch works. You can get the patch at <A HREF="http://www.sudhian.com" target="_new">WWW.Sudhian.Com</A>.

You can test if your system has the data corruption issue by creating a large file (over 100 MB) and copying the file from one hard disk to the another. I use CD disk images. Use a file compare program to compare the copy with the original. (Win 98SE has the DOS FC.EXE program. Don't know about other Windows). If the files are different then obviously you have the problem.

There are other issues with 686B including poor IRQ handling, and low bandwidth, about 80 MB/sec when in theory it should be 133 MB/sec. The crackling sound issue of SB Live cards seem most prevelent with 686B. (I already know your opinion of Creative Labs cards).

An AMD/AGP/Win2K data corruption issue also exists. It was first detected with 3DMark2001 (a DirectX 8.1 app). I don't know if it was fixed with XP but if it did exist it would have been corrected with one of the Service packs. An explicit patch for Win2K can be found <A HREF="http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_756_759^871^2367,00.html" target="_new">here</A> (upper right of page). I don't see one for XP so it must have been fixed.

That's everything I can think of. I assume you ruled out heat.



<b>99% is great, unless you are talking about system stability</b>

 

[skligmund]

I'll try the patch later today, otherwise I have ruled out pretty much everything else.

I did get the 3Dmark2001 problem, would crash on the second car chase test (that was 2001 right?), and I do have WinXP with all service packs ect. I also got it to work once, by detuning the piss out of my computer, slowing the RAM down to 100-3-3-3, setting AGP bus to 1x and removing all enhancements (ie. fast writes, ect.).

Well, it didn't perform too well, but it did do the 3dMark test 3 times in a row. I started adding enhancements, but things deteriorated quickly. I even tried them in different orders, no one setting seemed to make or break it. Thanks for the ideas, I'll start trying new things.

Thanks again

Water cooling is for the weak. Get liquid nitrogen.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Skligmund on 02/23/03 04:32 PM.</EM></FONT></P>