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Anonymous
August 2, 2004 10:42:55 PM

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I updated the MN-270 wireless router this weekend. Since
then. . the signal is very low and if i leave the PC
idle ..when i come back there is no connection and i have
to reboot.

Ideas. Suggestions?
August 3, 2004 1:02:29 AM

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I take it you are running Windows XP with either no SP (a very bad idea)
or you just have SP1 installed. The new driver is supposed to work
better with SP2. AS was suggested I recommend rolling back the driver
until after you install SP2.

RebJam wrote:

> I updated the MN-270 wireless router this weekend. Since
> then. . the signal is very low and if i leave the PC
> idle ..when i come back there is no connection and i have
> to reboot.
>
> Ideas. Suggestions?
August 3, 2004 1:16:00 AM

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"RebJam" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9f2a01c478fb$32637600$a501280a@phx.gbl...
> I updated the MN-270 wireless router this weekend. Since
> then. . the signal is very low and if i leave the PC
> idle ..when i come back there is no connection and i have
> to reboot.
>
> Ideas. Suggestions?

Yes. Roll back the driver to the previous version and try again. Let us
know. There are reported problems with the new driver for the MN 720.

Also, you might want to read some past threads on this same subject. If
you're not using a newsreader (Outlook Express), go to Google Groups and do
a search.

If you don't know how to roll back the driver, post back.
Related resources
August 3, 2004 3:46:22 PM

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Joker:

Caveat here......

Waiting for SP-2 is not going to help those people running Win98, SE, ME, or
Win2000. My opinion (and it's just that) is that SP-2 for XP is not going
to make a difference. I hope I'm wrong since I'm running XP on both of my
machines.

Regards.

"joker" <no-spam@netzero.com> wrote in message
news:uBiPRZQeEHA.1048@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> I take it you are running Windows XP with either no SP (a very bad idea)
> or you just have SP1 installed. The new driver is supposed to work
> better with SP2. AS was suggested I recommend rolling back the driver
> until after you install SP2.
>
> RebJam wrote:
>
> > I updated the MN-270 wireless router this weekend. Since
> > then. . the signal is very low and if i leave the PC
> > idle ..when i come back there is no connection and i have
> > to reboot.
> >
> > Ideas. Suggestions?
>
Anonymous
August 3, 2004 5:05:33 PM

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I too would be surprised if the new driver worked "better" only with SP2

The driver model is essentially the same.

--
Jason Tsang - Microsoft MVP

Find out about the MS MVP Program -
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx

"CS" <CS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Joker:
>
> Caveat here......
>
> Waiting for SP-2 is not going to help those people running Win98, SE, ME,
or
> Win2000. My opinion (and it's just that) is that SP-2 for XP is not going
> to make a difference. I hope I'm wrong since I'm running XP on both of my
> machines.
>
> Regards.
>
> "joker" <no-spam@netzero.com> wrote in message
> news:uBiPRZQeEHA.1048@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > I take it you are running Windows XP with either no SP (a very bad idea)
> > or you just have SP1 installed. The new driver is supposed to work
> > better with SP2. AS was suggested I recommend rolling back the driver
> > until after you install SP2.
> >
> > RebJam wrote:
> >
> > > I updated the MN-270 wireless router this weekend. Since
> > > then. . the signal is very low and if i leave the PC
> > > idle ..when i come back there is no connection and i have
> > > to reboot.
> > >
> > > Ideas. Suggestions?
> >
>
>
August 3, 2004 9:01:23 PM

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No you have to write a different driver for each version of Windows.
That is part of how it was designed. You can put multiple drivers into
one file to simplify the process over the different versions of Windows.

So far I have only heard of that particular problem occurring on Windows
XP, while I haven't heard of it happening for the regular version of
Windows.

Jason Tsang wrote:

> I too would be surprised if the new driver worked "better" only with SP2
>
> The driver model is essentially the same.
>
August 3, 2004 9:38:54 PM

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Your roll back comment only applies to Windows XP as that was a new
feature of Windows XP (to try to emulate this with prior versions of
windows didn't always work). You are criticizing me because I'm
assuming he is running Windows XP as well as you.

How can you do that?

Why don't you realize that?

I guess you are tired or have allowed yourself to be upset be someone or
something.

Also I have not heard of any problems with the new drivers on any OS
other then Windows XP without any Service Pack or Windows XP SP1. That
is where I came to that assumption. The original poster didn't say
which OS so based on what was said both you & I assumed that "RebJam" is
using XP.

CS wrote:

> Joker:
>
> Caveat here......
>
> Waiting for SP-2 is not going to help those people running Win98, SE, ME, or
> Win2000. My opinion (and it's just that) is that SP-2 for XP is not going
> to make a difference. I hope I'm wrong since I'm running XP on both of my
> machines.
>
> Regards.
>
> "joker" <no-spam@netzero.com> wrote in message
> news:uBiPRZQeEHA.1048@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
>>I take it you are running Windows XP with either no SP (a very bad idea)
>>or you just have SP1 installed. The new driver is supposed to work
>>better with SP2. AS was suggested I recommend rolling back the driver
>>until after you install SP2.
>>
>>RebJam wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I updated the MN-270 wireless router this weekend. Since
>>>then. . the signal is very low and if i leave the PC
>>>idle ..when i come back there is no connection and i have
>>>to reboot.
>>>
>>>Ideas. Suggestions?
>>
>
>
August 3, 2004 11:51:28 PM

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Joker:

RE: Your comment about not hearing of any problems with the new drivers on
any OS other than XP..... There has been a reported signal loss in this
group with the new driver by someone who is using Win98 and I'm sure there
will be more. Perhaps you missed the post. (Look for post from "Jay" on
Aug 1st and my reply.)
And by the way, I can only comment on the driver for the MN 720. I have no
knowledge of other drivers
that may or may not have a problem.

As for the roll back comment, if roll back only works reliably with Windows
XP then I guess the driver will have to be removed and replaced by other
means. That should not be a problem unless someone is running Win2000 and
has their drive formatted to NTFS. Then it becomes a matter of using the
recovery console to remove the driver and replace with the older version.

Your comments below are hard to understand. Why would you think I'm
criticizing you? I certainly appreciate the help you give in this forum and
I'm sure others do too. But you do need to realize that Microsoft is not
infallible. If they have published a driver which is not working right,
they need to know about it. I might be all wet over this driver issue and
you might be correct that SP-2 will resolve it. You notice in my previous
post I clearly stated that it is "my opinion" that SP-2 won't make a
difference. I stand by that, but I guess we shall see.

Also, I'm not upset about the driver problem at all. The resolution was
simple. Replace with older driver and get back my signal quality. Others
who are having the same problem should be advised to do the same thing. If
MS chooses not to further update the driver for the MN 720, I fully
understand.

Regards.

"joker" <no-spam@netzero.com> wrote in message
news:ucjfKMbeEHA.1036@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Your roll back comment only applies to Windows XP as that was a new
> feature of Windows XP (to try to emulate this with prior versions of
> windows didn't always work). You are criticizing me because I'm
> assuming he is running Windows XP as well as you.
>
> How can you do that?
>
> Why don't you realize that?
>
> I guess you are tired or have allowed yourself to be upset be someone or
> something.
>
> Also I have not heard of any problems with the new drivers on any OS
> other then Windows XP without any Service Pack or Windows XP SP1. That
> is where I came to that assumption. The original poster didn't say
> which OS so based on what was said both you & I assumed that "RebJam" is
> using XP.
>
> CS wrote:
>
> > Joker:
> >
> > Caveat here......
> >
> > Waiting for SP-2 is not going to help those people running Win98, SE,
ME, or
> > Win2000. My opinion (and it's just that) is that SP-2 for XP is not
going
> > to make a difference. I hope I'm wrong since I'm running XP on both of
my
> > machines.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > "joker" <no-spam@netzero.com> wrote in message
> > news:uBiPRZQeEHA.1048@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >
> >>I take it you are running Windows XP with either no SP (a very bad idea)
> >>or you just have SP1 installed. The new driver is supposed to work
> >>better with SP2. AS was suggested I recommend rolling back the driver
> >>until after you install SP2.
> >>
> >>RebJam wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I updated the MN-270 wireless router this weekend. Since
> >>>then. . the signal is very low and if i leave the PC
> >>>idle ..when i come back there is no connection and i have
> >>>to reboot.
> >>>
> >>>Ideas. Suggestions?
> >>
> >
> >
>
August 4, 2004 12:59:28 AM

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The problem with uninstalling the driver is on Windows 2000 & Windows ME
because of System File Protection. Driver files are considered
interesting files and thus to take it back to an older version is really
difficult. To roll back the Driver on Windows ME you need to restart in
MS-DOS with a boot disk then rename the files & extract the older version.

As I mentioned only Windows XP has a rollback feature. To try & get the
closest thing would take several hours of looking through thousands of
files in the c:\windows\inf folder on the Windows 9X kernel & I don't
even know where to start doing that on Windows 2000 other then a FFR.

I guess I missed the post by jay though. I personally will never get a
laptop wireless adapter as they always seem to have worse reception then
the USB models. This means I will never have a MN-520 or MN-720 or any
use of either.

I'm sorry about being so rude. I had just been woken up 2 hours earlier
then I would normally get up by an old roommate that was having problems
controlling her emotions. Way to emotional and I think it may have come
off on what I said.

Once again I am sorry for being so rude. I never should have done that.

I won't promise that I won't do it again because I might brake that
promise. I will promise to keep control of myself.

CS wrote:
> Joker:
>
> RE: Your comment about not hearing of any problems with the new drivers on
> any OS other than XP..... There has been a reported signal loss in this
> group with the new driver by someone who is using Win98 and I'm sure there
> will be more. Perhaps you missed the post. (Look for post from "Jay" on
> Aug 1st and my reply.)
> And by the way, I can only comment on the driver for the MN 720. I have no
> knowledge of other drivers
> that may or may not have a problem.
>
> As for the roll back comment, if roll back only works reliably with Windows
> XP then I guess the driver will have to be removed and replaced by other
> means. That should not be a problem unless someone is running Win2000 and
> has their drive formatted to NTFS. Then it becomes a matter of using the
> recovery console to remove the driver and replace with the older version.
>
> Your comments below are hard to understand. Why would you think I'm
> criticizing you? I certainly appreciate the help you give in this forum and
> I'm sure others do too. But you do need to realize that Microsoft is not
> infallible. If they have published a driver which is not working right,
> they need to know about it. I might be all wet over this driver issue and
> you might be correct that SP-2 will resolve it. You notice in my previous
> post I clearly stated that it is "my opinion" that SP-2 won't make a
> difference. I stand by that, but I guess we shall see.
>
> Also, I'm not upset about the driver problem at all. The resolution was
> simple. Replace with older driver and get back my signal quality. Others
> who are having the same problem should be advised to do the same thing. If
> MS chooses not to further update the driver for the MN 720, I fully
> understand.
>
> Regards.
>
> "joker" <no-spam@netzero.com> wrote in message
> news:ucjfKMbeEHA.1036@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
>>Your roll back comment only applies to Windows XP as that was a new
>>feature of Windows XP (to try to emulate this with prior versions of
>>windows didn't always work). You are criticizing me because I'm
>>assuming he is running Windows XP as well as you.
>>
>>How can you do that?
>>
>>Why don't you realize that?
>>
>>I guess you are tired or have allowed yourself to be upset be someone or
>>something.
>>
>>Also I have not heard of any problems with the new drivers on any OS
>>other then Windows XP without any Service Pack or Windows XP SP1. That
>>is where I came to that assumption. The original poster didn't say
>>which OS so based on what was said both you & I assumed that "RebJam" is
>>using XP.
>>
>>CS wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Joker:
>>>
>>>Caveat here......
>>>
>>>Waiting for SP-2 is not going to help those people running Win98, SE,
>
> ME, or
>
>>>Win2000. My opinion (and it's just that) is that SP-2 for XP is not
>
> going
>
>>>to make a difference. I hope I'm wrong since I'm running XP on both of
>
> my
>
>>>machines.
>>>
>>>Regards.
>>>
>>>"joker" <no-spam@netzero.com> wrote in message
>>>news:uBiPRZQeEHA.1048@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I take it you are running Windows XP with either no SP (a very bad idea)
>>>>or you just have SP1 installed. The new driver is supposed to work
>>>>better with SP2. AS was suggested I recommend rolling back the driver
>>>>until after you install SP2.
>>>>
>>>>RebJam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I updated the MN-270 wireless router this weekend. Since
>>>>>then. . the signal is very low and if i leave the PC
>>>>>idle ..when i come back there is no connection and i have
>>>>>to reboot.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ideas. Suggestions?
>>>>
>>>
>
>
>
August 4, 2004 3:54:50 AM

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Joker:

It's getting late and I've been running back and forth to the office to see
if a backup is completed. Got a hard drive that looks like it's going
south.... You know what that can mean.

You're correct about Win2000 Pro and ME. System file protection will
definitely block replacing the driver while the OS is up and running.
Booting to DOS is of course a solution with ME; Win2000 is another matter
especially if using NTFS.

Hey, no problem about the post. After all the years hanging out in FIDO,
ILink, and UseNet, I keep my flame proof armor on at all times. <g>

Have a good one and keep the help coming!

Regards.

"joker" <no-spam@netzero.com> wrote in message
news:eTPgP8ceEHA.1652@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> The problem with uninstalling the driver is on Windows 2000 & Windows ME
> because of System File Protection. Driver files are considered
> interesting files and thus to take it back to an older version is really
> difficult. To roll back the Driver on Windows ME you need to restart in
> MS-DOS with a boot disk then rename the files & extract the older version.
>
> As I mentioned only Windows XP has a rollback feature. To try & get the
> closest thing would take several hours of looking through thousands of
> files in the c:\windows\inf folder on the Windows 9X kernel & I don't
> even know where to start doing that on Windows 2000 other then a FFR.
>
> I guess I missed the post by jay though. I personally will never get a
> laptop wireless adapter as they always seem to have worse reception then
> the USB models. This means I will never have a MN-520 or MN-720 or any
> use of either.
>
> I'm sorry about being so rude. I had just been woken up 2 hours earlier
> then I would normally get up by an old roommate that was having problems
> controlling her emotions. Way to emotional and I think it may have come
> off on what I said.
>
> Once again I am sorry for being so rude. I never should have done that.
>
> I won't promise that I won't do it again because I might brake that
> promise. I will promise to keep control of myself.
>
> CS wrote:
> > Joker:
> >
> > RE: Your comment about not hearing of any problems with the new drivers
on
> > any OS other than XP..... There has been a reported signal loss in this
> > group with the new driver by someone who is using Win98 and I'm sure
there
> > will be more. Perhaps you missed the post. (Look for post from "Jay"
on
> > Aug 1st and my reply.)
> > And by the way, I can only comment on the driver for the MN 720. I have
no
> > knowledge of other drivers
> > that may or may not have a problem.
> >
> > As for the roll back comment, if roll back only works reliably with
Windows
> > XP then I guess the driver will have to be removed and replaced by other
> > means. That should not be a problem unless someone is running Win2000
and
> > has their drive formatted to NTFS. Then it becomes a matter of using
the
> > recovery console to remove the driver and replace with the older
version.
> >
> > Your comments below are hard to understand. Why would you think I'm
> > criticizing you? I certainly appreciate the help you give in this forum
and
> > I'm sure others do too. But you do need to realize that Microsoft is
not
> > infallible. If they have published a driver which is not working right,
> > they need to know about it. I might be all wet over this driver issue
and
> > you might be correct that SP-2 will resolve it. You notice in my
previous
> > post I clearly stated that it is "my opinion" that SP-2 won't make a
> > difference. I stand by that, but I guess we shall see.
> >
> > Also, I'm not upset about the driver problem at all. The resolution was
> > simple. Replace with older driver and get back my signal quality.
Others
> > who are having the same problem should be advised to do the same thing.
If
> > MS chooses not to further update the driver for the MN 720, I fully
> > understand.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > "joker" <no-spam@netzero.com> wrote in message
> > news:ucjfKMbeEHA.1036@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >
> >>Your roll back comment only applies to Windows XP as that was a new
> >>feature of Windows XP (to try to emulate this with prior versions of
> >>windows didn't always work). You are criticizing me because I'm
> >>assuming he is running Windows XP as well as you.
> >>
> >>How can you do that?
> >>
> >>Why don't you realize that?
> >>
> >>I guess you are tired or have allowed yourself to be upset be someone or
> >>something.
> >>
> >>Also I have not heard of any problems with the new drivers on any OS
> >>other then Windows XP without any Service Pack or Windows XP SP1. That
> >>is where I came to that assumption. The original poster didn't say
> >>which OS so based on what was said both you & I assumed that "RebJam" is
> >>using XP.
> >>
> >>CS wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Joker:
> >>>
> >>>Caveat here......
> >>>
> >>>Waiting for SP-2 is not going to help those people running Win98, SE,
> >
> > ME, or
> >
> >>>Win2000. My opinion (and it's just that) is that SP-2 for XP is not
> >
> > going
> >
> >>>to make a difference. I hope I'm wrong since I'm running XP on both of
> >
> > my
> >
> >>>machines.
> >>>
> >>>Regards.
> >>>
> >>>"joker" <no-spam@netzero.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:uBiPRZQeEHA.1048@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I take it you are running Windows XP with either no SP (a very bad
idea)
> >>>>or you just have SP1 installed. The new driver is supposed to work
> >>>>better with SP2. AS was suggested I recommend rolling back the driver
> >>>>until after you install SP2.
> >>>>
> >>>>RebJam wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I updated the MN-270 wireless router this weekend. Since
> >>>>>then. . the signal is very low and if i leave the PC
> >>>>>idle ..when i come back there is no connection and i have
> >>>>>to reboot.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Ideas. Suggestions?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
>
Anonymous
August 4, 2004 4:14:55 PM

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No you don't.
That's not what the Windows Driver Model does.

The driver for the MN720 (and 730) are WDM drivers.
The driver is source code compatible for all platforms. The only thing that
requires changes (if and where necessary) is the inf that installs the
driver for any OS specific items.

--
Jason Tsang - Microsoft MVP

Find out about the MS MVP Program -
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx

"joker" <no-spam@netzero.com> wrote in message
news:uk3pM3aeEHA.1424@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> No you have to write a different driver for each version of Windows.
> That is part of how it was designed. You can put multiple drivers into
> one file to simplify the process over the different versions of Windows.
>
> So far I have only heard of that particular problem occurring on Windows
> XP, while I haven't heard of it happening for the regular version of
> Windows.
>
> Jason Tsang wrote:
>
> > I too would be surprised if the new driver worked "better" only with SP2
> >
> > The driver model is essentially the same.
> >
>
!