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March 15, 2003 2:46:29 PM

If I were to pick up a new cpu, which would be better?

AMD XP Barton 2500 with 640K cache but smaller clock rate

or

AMD XP Thoroughbred 2700, smaller cache but high clock rate??

The barton 2500 is enticingly cheap right now!

Rob


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March 15, 2003 2:49:47 PM

Between a 2500 and a 2700 rated CPU, it's unlikely you'd notica any real difference in performance.

Think 2 to 1 ... if it ain't twice as fast, it might just be a waste of money.



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March 15, 2003 2:53:38 PM

I´d say that the 2700+ is is the best choice. It´s a T-bred, and its PR rating is accurate enough. It has a 333Mhz bus, like the 2500+ (barton) and it should perform better. The Bartons have rather debatable PR´s.

Their increased cache isn´t, in most cases, worth the 300 extra points in PR.

There is still, of course, the question of how needed that extra few % in performance really are... and how much they cost!

But Makaveli has just opened a thread stating that he still chose a 2700+ over the Barton. Read it: <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?nam..." target="_new">http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?nam...;/A>
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March 15, 2003 3:06:34 PM

yea I just read it... What do you think of the higher end bartons such as the 2800 or 3000, will they out perform the xp 2700? They are sooo expensive though, I wouldnt buy one till they came down alot in price.

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March 15, 2003 3:31:40 PM

I'm sorry guys. I must disagree. The cost difference ,$175 for the Barton and $258 for the 2700+Tbred, is enough to make me choose the Barton every time. There is not a noticable difference between these chips unless you do benchmarks. Also, the Barton has the potential to clock every bit as high as the 2700Tbred.

Save $83 and spend it on something else. New CDR-RW, better RAM, RAID controller, etc..

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Cuda on 03/15/03 12:33 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
March 15, 2003 3:52:09 PM

Cuda, what do you think the 2500 could overclock to? How much would the benchmarks lack for the 2500 barton vs 2700 thoroughbred?

So theres one vote for me buying the 2500 barton.

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March 15, 2003 3:52:38 PM

I agreed.

:smile: Good or Bad have no meaning at all, depends on what your point of view is.
March 15, 2003 4:03:34 PM

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Cuda, what do you think the 2500 could overclock to?



I've seen a Barton 2500+ 1826MHz @ 2322MHz easily obtained. With the right cooling,motherboard, and memory even higher clock speeds can be yours.
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How much would the benchmarks lack for the 2500 barton vs 2700 thoroughbred?

The difference in stock benchmarks can be seen <A HREF="http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030210/barton-14.htm..." target="_new">here</A> as well as an overclocked 3000+barton.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Cuda on 03/15/03 01:06 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
March 15, 2003 9:57:09 PM

In reality, if you think of it, the barton 2500 comes in stock at 1833 mHz. The 2700 thoroughbred comes in stock at 2170 mHz. With watercooling and corsair XMS 3200 and Asus a7n8x deluxe, do u think i caN overclock the barton 2500 to thoroughbred 2700 speeds? If i do manage to get it to 2700 speeds, it will have higher cache plus be at 2700+ speeds, so then will there be any differences between the overclocked barton and the 2700?

Do u think i will be successful with overclocking the 2500 to higher speeds?

I am just in the midst of building a new system, i have never started up my system.. I have heard of lots os booting and posting issues with the a7n8x, because i have the 1001G bios, will it boot or post because the bartons need an updated bios?

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March 16, 2003 12:04:18 AM

Lets throw in P4 2.6 for $238.
March 16, 2003 12:54:59 AM

ummm, no fanboys please. Asides from that, I am pretty sure no matter how hard i smash the p4 chip in to my asus a7n8x zif socket, i dont think they will be compatible together. Anybody have any useful input?

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March 16, 2003 12:57:24 AM

So if i overclock the barton 2500 to xp 2700 speeds, will it be just as good and fast as the 2700 or what?

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March 16, 2003 1:50:35 AM

lol uh yes.
ASSUMING you can get the MHz to the same level as the xp2700 then performance will be better, but it depends entirely on the app... and if the app likes extra cache or not.

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March 16, 2003 2:23:33 PM

Hey what do you think will be the biggest preventions that limit me from going from 1833 mHz to 2170? I have watercooling with northbridge watercooling also, so I dont think there will be any heat concerns... Any others? I would like to hit 200 mHz fsb on this system too...I -

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March 16, 2003 9:03:01 PM

I hate to say this, but you will find all these questions answered on the nforcehq.com forums. You can exceed the 2700+stock clock easily with watercooling. You should be able to push 3000+ clock speeds.
March 16, 2003 9:21:13 PM

Well if you have good water cooling then the sky is the limit, anything from 2 to 2.6Ghz... depending on the "goodness" of the cpu, your ram, psu, mobo and mobo voltages.

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March 16, 2003 10:45:43 PM

here are the system specs

Asus A7N8X deluxe
Antec true power 430 PSU
1 gig corsair PC 3200 2-2-2-6
80 gig maxtor 8 meg cache
barton 2500

how do you think this shapes up as a system?
I am not looking to go to extremes of 2.6 gigahertz, but a 400 fsb and approximately 2700+ speeds would be a-ok in my books.

What do you think?

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March 16, 2003 11:23:22 PM

From all the reports you have yourself a system that will easily overclock to the speeds you want to reach.
March 17, 2003 12:08:04 AM

*looks at suggested system*
Yes. It will rock. Gonna get a R9700 or R9800 to go?

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March 17, 2003 2:56:55 AM

I am just waiting and thirsting, for the new 9800's to knock down the prices on the legendary 9700 pro's so i can pounce and snap one up.

:)  :)  :) 

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March 17, 2003 3:17:10 AM

Bah... u could have got a 9700 and just overclocked it. im waiting for the 9800 nonpro now :) 

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March 17, 2003 3:59:16 AM

yea but if you buy the 9700 pro , think of mow much more of a higher clock you could even start with, let alone acheive

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