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On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:09:57 -0400, "HillBillyBuddhist"
<hillbillybuddhist@shoesgmail.com> wrote:
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>Dell was one of the very last holdouts still providing a genuine operating
>system discs with their computers. Restore partitions/discs have been the
>rule not the exception with nearly all of the major manufacturer/vendors for
>a number of years. The change obviously hasn't been smooth or consistent.
Nowhere did they mention that an OS disc was not part of the bargain.
This would have influenced my purchase to the point of NOT buying a new
box, but getting my 98SE fixed or to find a local comp shop that puts
together their own boxes and would slip me a copy of the OS.
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>Having to load SATA drivers (whether you know what they are or not) to
>install Windows is not a Dell specific issue. Any computer with SATA
>harddrives requires this. It has nothing to do with being a Dell.
No, I cannot fault them for having used SATA drives, but I did not know
that. Neither did I know that no instructions nor drivers - on a disc,
would be supplied. (I knew better than to think I'd get a manual. What
they did send was a little more than a booklet covering their legal lack
of responsibility or liability.)
>I will say that Dell is one of the better vendors out there as far as making
>it's drivers simple to find and available for download. I just double
>checked to make sure it hadn't changed. Logged into support, clicked
>downloads, entered service tag, category all, Operating System XP, language
>English got a list of drivers for all possible combinations of hardware that
>were available for this particular system.
Well, I'm glad you could find them. But that is to be expected of
someone who has the knowledge to build his own box. Me? I found
references to about a hundred SATA gizmos. If you put a gun to my head I
couldn't pick out which was for my machine.
How many people who own automobiles are expected to be auto mechanics in
their spare time?
>All OEM copies of Windows regardless of the modality of installation are
>"confined to a single computer."
By OEM, I take it you mean those that come with a computer from a place
like Dell or Gateway.
In that case, MS has won. This kind of mandates that one has to buy a
full version, legal disc of XP from a place like Best Buy to be able to
load it on various personal home machines.
>Which high quality "made in America" PC do you plan to purchase in boycott
>of Dells "china box?"
I explained that I'd go to a local shop that puts them together. At
least I would have more control over the situation. As far as "high
quality" goods go in America, that is a thing of the past, except maybe
in a few certain fields. Walmart competitive type tactics of marketing
have reduced even brand name goods to being little less than junk.
>(As a side note I took delivery of a Dimension 8400 MCE computer in January
>and got both a restore partition and a Genuine XP MCE disc. (DVD) I did not
>get the utility to burn my own restore disc. I did not get the resource CD
>of drivers but an email to support netted me one a few days later.)
An e-mail to support netted me an automated reply that had nothing to do
with my problem. I have no intention of going any further than replying
to their ridiculous automated supply. I'm not spending hours, or days,
on a phone arguing with some bohunk in India who earns 2 rupees a day.
My next box will be made a one of the shops around here, and I will get
an *real* OS disc slipped to me or they don't get my business. Lastly,
they will be there when I need them - or the Better Business Bureau and
a few other entities will bug the hell outta them. It's called
'control.' Something I have none of with MS or Dell.