Sugestion to Sterns next theme...

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May I sudgest Stern Makes a "Billy Graham" pinball machine. After all
thousands... Millions of listeners/followers can't be wrong!

Have fun, Karl.
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    Are they going to skip this Star Wars??
    Rich
    "Karl" <hondaruehs@aol.com> wrote in message
    news:1119931313.914001.72640@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
    > May I sudgest Stern Makes a "Billy Graham" pinball machine. After all
    > thousands... Millions of listeners/followers can't be wrong!
    >
    > Have fun, Karl.
    >
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    Already have the next two Titles figured out. By the time they got around to
    it, movie will be out on DVD thus be history and pointless to do.

    --Eric


    "G.E.O. Machine shop" <machshop@geoheat.com> wrote in message
    news:yh4we.9718$fV.919@okepread06...
    > Are they going to skip this Star Wars??
    > Rich
    > "Karl" <hondaruehs@aol.com> wrote in message
    > news:1119931313.914001.72640@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
    > > May I sudgest Stern Makes a "Billy Graham" pinball machine. After all
    > > thousands... Millions of listeners/followers can't be wrong!
    > >
    > > Have fun, Karl.
    > >
    >
    >
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    should be - The Osbournes
    but it won't ever happen
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    Karl wrote:
    > May I sudgest Stern Makes a "Billy Graham" pinball machine. After all
    > thousands... Millions of listeners/followers can't be wrong!
    >
    > Have fun, Karl.

    Personally, I'd hate the theme but gotta admit (sic) SpoogeBob is still
    a popular theme. (And I believe well known outside the USA.)
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    GTA trillogy.

    yes that would mean that one more would have to be made, thus the pin
    would fit into the hype of the new game. I still see san andreas adds
    and posters everywhere.

    Harry potter and another IJ pin are also good ideas to tie in with the
    new movie releases...star wars is over and done.

    But i'm sure that they're not on the wonderful Stern picked over
    license list.

    GTA would be great, and with so many stories, and themes to choose from
    from the game it would be stupid to not do it.

    -c
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    This is the single-worst idea for a pin I have ever heard. Though I
    guess since Satan did get his own machine already in Gorgar it might be
    fair play.

    Karl wrote:
    > May I sudgest Stern Makes a "Billy Graham" pinball machine. After all
    > thousands... Millions of listeners/followers can't be wrong!
    >
    > Have fun, Karl.
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    Stern would be very wise to make a super hero type pin, as has been
    mentioned COUNTLESS times before. PLEASE STERN! I want to see X-Men,
    which could be released with the 3rd movie next year. Or Spiderman,
    which could also be released with the next movie.

    If the Fantastic Four movie is any good, and inspires sequels, I'd
    *die* for a FF pin! "Clobberin' Time" mode, "Human Torch" loops,
    "Invisible Girl" mode where you have to shoot all the balls into hidden
    areas, Mr. Fantastic "stretching" across the screen, WHATEVER I'd just
    love to see it done.

    I'm suggesting nothing new here, just agreeing with the rest of you
    that a good superhero theme would do very well...

    -Brannon
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    Ray Johnson - Action Pinball wrote:
    > But if we're looking for name recognition just to put 2 quarters in a pin,
    > let's make a "Milk" pinball- everyone recognizes milk! Just a plain flat
    > black backglass with the white words "Got Milk?" The thing would probably
    > top production and sales records for all time! ;)

    Add some hooterage to that translite and YOU GOT YOURSELF A GAME!! :)
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    I would think that these would be cool:

    AC/DC (highway to hell loop, TNT bumpers, back in black alley, plus
    other assorted stuff with money talks, thunderstruck, hells bells).
    Would have the possibility of being one of the coolest pins ever if
    done right.

    Gone in 60 seconds. Steal 50 cars, time based and accuracy.

    Tombstone--eliminate the cowboys, mix in casino stuff
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    "CraigC -Chicago-" wrote:
    > Harry potter and another IJ pin are also good ideas to tie in with the
    > new movie releases...star wars is over and done.

    Harry Potter would be a great pin for Stern to do- so much could be done on
    the playfield and with the art, characters, etc. Much like LOTR. I was
    originally opposed to a HP pin, but really like the films since my kids have
    been into them- good stuff Maynard...

    Ray J.
    --
    Action Pinball & Amusement, LLC
    Salt Lake City, Utah USA
    Web: www.actionpinball.com

    We're serious about pinball. Anything else is just for fun!
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    hrmmm so THAT's why you like CV ;).

    I'm sure that kids of pinball playing age have killed enough people in
    video games to make even death row convicts cringe.

    I'm sure that you could pull it off and have it be just as "offensive"
    as the soproanos.

    -c
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    or even the sopranos. which are far more tame than the soproanos.

    -c
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    agreed. really fun for all ages.

    Fantastic Four would be great...But X-Men and Spiderman would sell way
    better.

    Spiderman you could pull from all 3 movies.

    I would be tempted to buy my 2nd Stern...well unless they do the mrs
    congeniality 12 shot fan game.

    and on that note: When is the next FAN MAN comic coming out ;)

    -c
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    CraigC -Chicago- wrote:
    > Harry potter and another IJ pin are also good ideas to tie in with the
    > new movie releases...star wars is over and done.

    But come on, Episode One was just *that good*! :)

    > But i'm sure that they're not on the wonderful Stern picked over
    > license list.

    Really, you're not looking forward to the PAX TV smash Diagnosis Murder
    pin?

    > GTA would be great, and with so many stories, and themes to choose from
    > from the game it would be stupid to not do it.
    >

    Well speaking as someone who will some day be a parent, GTA is so far
    the one and only video game that is on my banned from the kiddies list.
    If you feel daring enough drive down fullerton to Pulaski and turn
    south until you hit North Ave. All your questions about the
    lacklusterness of GTA will be answered. When you live in that life for
    16 years there's no entertainment value.

    -wolffy
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    Yeah and Elvis was released when he was at the peak of his career. :)

    -wolffy


    Eric Schmitt wrote:
    > Already have the next two Titles figured out. By the time they got around to
    > it, movie will be out on DVD thus be history and pointless to do.
    >
    > --Eric
    >
    >
    >
    > "G.E.O. Machine shop" <machshop@geoheat.com> wrote in message
    > news:yh4we.9718$fV.919@okepread06...
    >
    >>Are they going to skip this Star Wars??
    >>Rich
    >>"Karl" <hondaruehs@aol.com> wrote in message
    >>news:1119931313.914001.72640@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
    >>
    >>>May I sudgest Stern Makes a "Billy Graham" pinball machine. After all
    >>>thousands... Millions of listeners/followers can't be wrong!
    >>>
    >>>Have fun, Karl.
    >>>
    >>
    >>
    >
    >
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    I think a Muscle Car theme would be cool ! No license required and it'll
    sell to all the car guys :-)

    Collect money so you can bid in auction mode. Race mode trying to win a
    pink slip. Car show mode . . . etc.

    With hot muscle cars all over the cabinet and backglass it would be visually
    appealing . . .

    My idea ;-)


    --
    Kerry Stair

    Mantis Amusements "Its all about Pinball"
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    "Kerry Stair" wrote:
    > I think a Muscle Car theme would be cool ! No license required and it'll
    > sell to all the car guys :-)

    Dunno- I think Stern were hoping to empty the pockets of guys like "the car
    guys", or older crowd, with "Elvis"- the whole "nostalgia" thing. But it
    didn't happen. Same with Corvette years ago. Oh, and Viper Night Drivin'!

    But again, my argument is, "how many 'car themed' pins have done well in
    past years?" Look at the failure/lukewarm list:

    - Viper Night Drivin'
    - Mario Andretti
    - Indianapolis 500
    - Nitro Groundshaker
    - Twin Win
    - Corvette
    - Checkpoint
    - Victory

    High Speed and Getaway are of course exceptions I think- both did well. I
    wouldn't grace the others in the list above with listing HS and HS2 among
    them. Some of the above are a bit more lukewarm that others, but with that
    kind of track record, I don't see *another* car-themed pin doing well at
    all. I wouldn't make one. Stern's hoping to ride the wave of popularity
    with Nascar (recognized theme) but that's about it. Hopefully it will keep
    them in business for another few months.

    But if we're looking for name recognition just to put 2 quarters in a pin,
    let's make a "Milk" pinball- everyone recognizes milk! Just a plain flat
    black backglass with the white words "Got Milk?" The thing would probably
    top production and sales records for all time! ;)

    Just my jilted opinions! :)

    Ray J.
    --
    Action Pinball & Amusement, LLC
    Salt Lake City, Utah USA
    Web: www.actionpinball.com

    We're serious about pinball. Anything else is just for fun!
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    Ray wrote:

    Thought the same thing about Godzilla.... Hard *not* to stink with a
    film
    nowadays.... Can't wait until they're done "re-doing" all the old films
    and
    tv shows and get back to films based on real good new original ideas.


    Hey Ray!
    It's gonna be a long time. We are just now getting remakes of
    "The Honeymooners" and "Kojak" with Black stars. We have a lot of
    years of
    remakes to convert all the old shows to Black casts. Then we have to
    be
    fair and do them all with Asian casts too! Then we have to convert
    Shaft to
    an all white cast and then figure out what to do with "Soul Train". I
    don't
    know about the rest of you, but with this new trend, I'll be long dead
    by the time
    we get any new ideas!

    Disclaimer:
    This post in no way reflects any attitude towards racism, of any kind,
    and is only
    delivered with the intent to spread information in a free society.

    Mario
    Pinthetic
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    I see there is a Get Smart movie coming out next year. I loved that
    show. Hopefully they will start re-running the hello ut of the TV
    show. Might be an interesting pin?

    John
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    Is Eddie Murphy or Jackie Chan playing Maxwell Smart?

    Mario
    Pinthetic
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    Seriously,

    Aren't we due for Harry Potter? The kids that read the first book are
    becoming of pinball addiction age now. My daughter brought this up the
    other night while we were talking about what our next game might be.
    Those of us that like the movie tie ins might not go for it as much as
    FF or Spiderman but the arcade target audience for Stern would be
    there.

    Mario
    Pinthetic
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    According to some of the population, they'd agree with that.

    Understandable how hard it is to get a good perspective when your the first
    one in the Bozo Bin :)

    --Eric


    > Yeah and Elvis was released when he was at the peak of his career. :)
    >
    > -wolffy
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    Attack from Mars has already been done, So how about "Destroy all
    Humans!"
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    "Karl" <hondaruehs@aol.com> wrote in message
    news:1119931313.914001.72640@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
    > May I sudgest Stern Makes a "Billy Graham" pinball machine. After all
    > thousands... Millions of listeners/followers can't be wrong!

    How widely known is he outside US? After all, according to BusinessWeek
    interviewing Gary Stern, "about 35% of Stern's sales now come from
    overseas -- primarily in Western Europe but also in growing markets such as
    Russia and China". The interview can be read in
    http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/mar2005/sb20050331_4850_sb040.htm .

    --Jarkko
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    Possibly. His estate could be making more now than we he was alive. LTG :)

    "Wolffy" <sendnospamto_wolffy@gaspar.net> wrote in message
    news:07-dnciB7Z2x7FzfRVn-rg@speakeasy.net...
    > Yeah and Elvis was released when he was at the peak of his career. :)
    >
    > -wolffy
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    <Pinthetic@gmail.com> wrote:
    > Then we have to convert Shaft to an all white cast and then figure out
    what to do with "Soul Train".

    Agreed- if those are the rules, then I'll consider "Shaft" to be a racist
    film until a white cast can play it... ;)

    Fair is fair I guess!

    ;)
    Ray J.
    --
    Action Pinball & Amusement, LLC
    Salt Lake City, Utah USA
    Web: www.actionpinball.com

    We're serious about pinball. Anything else is just for fun!
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    I really think it would do well and am a bit suprised it wasn't looked at or
    mentioned by Stern, et al, in recent years. Opportunity missed, perhaps?

    Ray J.
    --
    Action Pinball & Amusement, LLC
    Salt Lake City, Utah USA
    Web: www.actionpinball.com

    We're serious about pinball. Anything else is just for fun!


    <Pinthetic@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:1119983817.261553.16670@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
    > Seriously,
    >
    > Aren't we due for Harry Potter? The kids that read the first book are
    > becoming of pinball addiction age now. My daughter brought this up the
    > other night while we were talking about what our next game might be.
    > Those of us that like the movie tie ins might not go for it as much as
    > FF or Spiderman but the arcade target audience for Stern would be
    > there.
    >
    > Mario
    > Pinthetic
    >
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    My vote goes for a "Magic: The Gathering" pinball machine. It's a great
    theme, and it's got good teenage through adult appeal.

    Heck, the game writes itself - knock down targets to gain mana, complete
    goals to cast spells, the game rules change based on spells cast, etc.
    You could also have modes based on the Magic color wheel - as a black
    mage, you could trade balls for abilities - as a blue mage, you can
    easily get additional balls - as a red mage, no 'tricks' just
    straightforward pinball with big scores, etc. There's also a TON of
    ready-to-go artwork with that license..

    Ah, If I had artistic chops I'd go for it myself..

    Oh wait, this isn't the "What else do you collect" thread.. :)

    -Mark.


    In article <1119931313.914001.72640@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
    hondaruehs@aol.com says...
    > May I sudgest Stern Makes a "Billy Graham" pinball machine. After all
    > thousands... Millions of listeners/followers can't be wrong!
    >
    > Have fun, Karl.
    >
    >
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    They should do a new KISS pinball. Alot more things you could do now
    with DMD and software.
    Todd

    Karl wrote:
    > May I sudgest Stern Makes a "Billy Graham" pinball machine. After all
    > thousands... Millions of listeners/followers can't be wrong!
    >
    > Have fun, Karl.
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    Three Stooges


    Otto

    CARGPB11

    My web page: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-Ottoslanding
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    Pinthetic@gmail.com wrote in news:1119983490.284108.241110
    @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

    > Is Eddie Murphy or Jackie Chan playing Maxwell Smart?
    >
    > Mario
    > Pinthetic
    >

    Neither. It's some guy named Steve Carell.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0136797/

    Rob
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    "Rob Rosenhouse" wrote:
    > Neither. It's some guy named Steve Carell.

    Oh yeah- from the Daily Show- that guy is funny!

    Ray J.
    --
    Action Pinball & Amusement, LLC
    Salt Lake City, Utah USA
    Web: www.actionpinball.com

    We're serious about pinball. Anything else is just for fun!
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    Howabout a joint effort with Gary, Gene & Wayne....3 Stooges ;-)

    GRY

    "Otto" <ottondebremove&%$*@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
    news:Nbhwe.2076$qm.1520@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
    > Three Stooges
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Otto
    >
    > CARGPB11
    >
    > My web page: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-Ottoslanding
    >
    >
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    Spongebob Squarepants seems like a logical choice, it is goofy fun
    which probably would appeal to kids and adults. The license is probably
    expensive, but it can't be that bad since SEGA has a redemption game
    which seems to be doing well. The following was from a recent Replay
    magazine:


    SEGA'S SPONGEBOB STILL GOING STRONG
    Sega Amusements last month released the fifth production run of their
    SpongeBob Square Pants ticket redemption game with a sixth run likely.
    This latest production run of SpongeBob was already sold out at press
    time so any additional orders won't be shipped until early June.
    "SpongeBob remains one of the hottest licenses available today," said
    factory sales manager Ron Malinowski. "Our designers did a great job
    developing game play elements that complement the license."
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    "CraigC -Chicago-" <pinball@chicagohardcore.net> wrote in message
    news:1119966581.958593.80770@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
    > GTA trillogy.
    >
    > yes that would mean that one more would have to be made,


    -------------------------------------------


    Why? There's already been 6 GTA games that I know of, probably more.

    Ron
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    I wonder if Stern does actually take notice of what the people on RGP
    would like to be made?

    Ping

    Karl wrote:
    > May I sudgest Stern Makes a "Billy Graham" pinball machine. After all
    > thousands... Millions of listeners/followers can't be wrong!
    >
    > Have fun, Karl.
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    >I wonder if Stern does actually take notice of what the people on RGP
    >would like to be made?

    And be blamed for stealing an idea? You are better off NOT posting your
    wants on a pinball group.

    Kirb
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    Even if sterns stumbles upon a decent theme, it doesn't mean they won't
    end up botching it up anyway. And what is so great about TSPP? I've
    played it on location and thought it was horrible. The damn jets are
    sticking out so far it makes 57% of the playfield useless. too
    cramped. :P
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    Nwojedi wrote:
    > Even if sterns stumbles upon a decent theme, it doesn't mean they won't
    > end up botching it up anyway. And what is so great about TSPP? I've
    > played it on location and thought it was horrible. The damn jets are
    > sticking out so far it makes 57% of the playfield useless. too
    > cramped. :P

    TSPP grows on you. Definately not botched! I do agree about it being
    too cramped. This would have been an awesome widebody...

    John
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    Stupid Thing. But thing about a "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" Pinball. Seven
    goal as seven series and seven big bad, DESTROY SUNNYDALE multiball, or
    SLAYIN' NIGHT, were you have to destroy much vampire in short time, ala high
    noon on CC.

    Now try this!
    --
    The Alby87 Project

    http://digilander.libero.it/alby1987/
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    Definitely no more cramped than any Lawlor game with the typical
    "left-side-midway-up-outcropping" of stuff- ie: Addams Family, Monopoly,
    Whirlwind, TZ, RCT, etc...

    Fun-playing game. You get a lot of stuff "crammed" in the game for the
    money- that's my sales pitch to customers on this game when they come in the
    showroom- a lot of pin for the money. FIVE flippers, TWO playfield levels,
    lots of ramps, lots of multiball/modes, great colors and artwork-
    attractive. You can't go wrong.

    The game seems a bit easier to play and keep going (longer games times) than
    some other more challenging games- veteran players may find it a bit on the
    easy side. But that kind of thing appeals to novice and casual buyers-
    they're more drawn to a game that isn't a drain-monster- it comes across as
    more player-friendly.

    Its no wonder they did 4 runs of them- we've never been able to keep them in
    stock.

    Ray J.
    --
    Action Pinball & Amusement, LLC
    Salt Lake City, Utah USA
    Web: www.actionpinball.com

    We're serious about pinball. Anything else is just for fun!


    "PT" wrote:
    > Nwojedi wrote:
    > > Even if sterns stumbles upon a decent theme, it doesn't mean they won't
    > > end up botching it up anyway. And what is so great about TSPP? I've
    > > played it on location and thought it was horrible. The damn jets are
    > > sticking out so far it makes 57% of the playfield useless. too
    > > cramped. :P
    >
    > TSPP grows on you. Definately not botched! I do agree about it being
    > too cramped. This would have been an awesome widebody...
    >
    > John
    >
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    DITTO!!!!!
    Pat

    Otto wrote:
    > Three Stooges
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Otto
    >
    > CARGPB11
    >
    > My web page: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-Ottoslanding
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    If we're talking about themes with worldwide appeal, then my New Jersey
    roots have to show. How about a Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band
    machine? It could have:

    a Tunnel of Love
    a River
    a tour mode
    band member modes
    ticket booth
    Scalper mode
    a jukebox
    a Ghost (of Tom Joad)
    not to mention all the song based items

    this list could go on and on......and my wife wouldn't have a say on
    whether or not I could buy this one!!!

    Carey
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    Curly multiball - woob, woob, woob, woob, woob!

    John
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    Then they should use the smart people on ALL of their game ideas:)

    nomad
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    I have it on good authority that they occasionally joke about some of
    the lamer ideas.

    And there's been some whoppers on this thread...

    Magic the Gathering? Buffy? Good lord, people, it's 2005.
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    I doubt it. RGP is what, maybe 1% of their market ? Tastes and passions run
    too high here and would be risky to consider. LTG :)

    "CornCob" <ping.crosby@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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    > I wonder if Stern does actually take notice of what the people on RGP
    > would like to be made?
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    Agreed. I've never sat in on a meeting when themes and names are
    discussed,
    but I'm sure company politics can come into play. Look at Capcom, Cloud
    9
    became breakshot and flipper football was produced instead of big bang
    bar.
    Not all companies use their people wisely. LTG :)

    well, they were smart enough to not make a game that was over budget on
    bom and that didn't earn on test. heck, capcom made less than 5k games
    total in their existance, who can say if they had any wise people to
    use in the first place?

    Pinlicious ( ...there is no spoon.)
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    Agreed. I've never sat in on a meeting when themes and names are discussed,
    but I'm sure company politics can come into play. Look at Capcom, Cloud 9
    became breakshot and flipper football was produced instead of big bang bar.
    Not all companies use their people wisely. LTG :)

    "nomad" <damonoresky@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:1120159342.847501.98200@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
    > Then they should use the smart people on ALL of their game ideas:)
    >
    > nomad
    >
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