i was wondering how can i determine the stepping? and which is good for a barton? and how can i verify it before i buy one? do i need to get an oem in person so i can physicaly look at the chip, or can a particular stepping be found in a retail boxed cpu?
thanx for any info, sorry i dont have an answer or you regarding the 1700, i am thinking of grabbing one too, lots of guys on here have them running very high with good results.
thanx for any info, sorry i dont have an answer or you regarding the 1700, i am thinking of grabbing one too, lots of guys on here have them running very high with good results.
JIUHB0309UPMW
that chip is the shitt man. get it if you can.
0309
0310
0308
0307
0302
0309 and 0310 are the best ones you can get and it goes down in that order. i think its the DUT3C that kicks ass. in some cases you can oc the 0309 or the 0310 to 2.5 GHz on air dood... heh heh thats like 3600+
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that chip is the shitt man. get it if you can.
0309
0310
0308
0307
0302
0309 and 0310 are the best ones you can get and it goes down in that order. i think its the DUT3C that kicks ass. in some cases you can oc the 0309 or the 0310 to 2.5 GHz on air dood... heh heh thats like 3600+
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yeah thats right it is 1.5v core voltage, but DLT3C is core a and i think its the b core that oces better. damn gotta do more research
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I just got one, and I Oc'd up to a 2600+ right off on default voltage (1.5). It runs at 37 degrees on air at 2500 RPM with a Volcano 7. Needless to say, for 50.00, I am very pleased.
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No these are new Tbred B XP1700's an XP1800's with 1.5 V core, DLT3C. JIUH<b>B</b> guarantees that they are still Tbred <b>B</b>.
The new 1.5 V versions seem to reach higher overclocks, 2.25 Ghz and higher, without the extreme voltages that many DUT3C (1.6 V) versions needed.
<b>99% is great, unless you are talking about system stability</b>
The new 1.5 V versions seem to reach higher overclocks, 2.25 Ghz and higher, without the extreme voltages that many DUT3C (1.6 V) versions needed.
<b>99% is great, unless you are talking about system stability</b>
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the used to have the UPMW too, but now they're down to WPMW and XPMW
not sure which performs best out of them, last time i looked no one knew, i figure they're about the same
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the used to have the UPMW too, but now they're down to WPMW and XPMW
not sure which performs best out of them, last time i looked no one knew, i figure they're about the same
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along the same line i can buy a 1700+ pal tommorow localy if i want, 80$ no box, fan or ht sync, just the chip.
i asked about the writing on the chip i was told it says axda1700dl i think, isnt that what all the retail pal's say axda?
that isnt the stepping right? what should i look at to determine it?
i hear the 1700 oveclocks very well so im thinking about grabbing it in place of the 1800 i run now, but im also thinking about just getting a barton and an nforce2 board next week so i dunno since that leaves me an uneeded pal chip if i do that.
i think ill grab the 1700 anyways, the price is right, anything i should look at when i go to pick it up?
tips, advice?
i asked about the writing on the chip i was told it says axda1700dl i think, isnt that what all the retail pal's say axda?
that isnt the stepping right? what should i look at to determine it?
i hear the 1700 oveclocks very well so im thinking about grabbing it in place of the 1800 i run now, but im also thinking about just getting a barton and an nforce2 board next week so i dunno since that leaves me an uneeded pal chip if i do that.
i think ill grab the 1700 anyways, the price is right, anything i should look at when i go to pick it up?
tips, advice?
actually the DLT3C is NOT just Tbred A, but Tbred B as well. Go to Excaliberpc and they sell guarenteed DLT3C Tbred B's. Damn gotta do more research....
Gameve.com or something had the 0309 but they're DUT3C I think.
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by fo_sho on 04/29/03 10:16 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
Gameve.com or something had the 0309 but they're DUT3C I think.
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by fo_sho on 04/29/03 10:16 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
AXDA1700JIUHB
right after the 1700 is where you see the stepping for the cpu. the next line down you'll find the week and the year it was made after the letter. the first two numbers tell you the year and the next two munbers tell you the week.
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right after the 1700 is where you see the stepping for the cpu. the next line down you'll find the week and the year it was made after the letter. the first two numbers tell you the year and the next two munbers tell you the week.
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yeah i've been to gameve and was about to buy two 1700+ cpus. i'll see what i can find tonight (i'm buying two 1700+ tonight)
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Lumper...Check out this link...everything you wanted to know about picking a Tbred B
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Sorry, I don't know any vendors. I bought mine at Newegg back in February but they don't specify A or B. I noticed some people are still getting Tbred A's (which would piss me off).
Mine's a 0302, DUT3C model and needs 1.775 volt to be stable at 2.1 Ghz. I can't overclock any higher without extreme voltage. 2.25 Ghz needs 2.15 volts and runs 8 degrees hotter that 2.1 Ghz, too hot.
Get one before they are discontinued. Supposedly XP2100+ is to be the bottom model Athlon in a short time.
<b>99% is great, unless you are talking about system stability</b>
Mine's a 0302, DUT3C model and needs 1.775 volt to be stable at 2.1 Ghz. I can't overclock any higher without extreme voltage. 2.25 Ghz needs 2.15 volts and runs 8 degrees hotter that 2.1 Ghz, too hot.
Get one before they are discontinued. Supposedly XP2100+ is to be the bottom model Athlon in a short time.
<b>99% is great, unless you are talking about system stability</b>
What types of motherboards would be able to overclock the processor to its higher levels? Would an Asus A7V133-C be able to make use of it? Also, as far as the modding goes, does anything need to be done to the chip itself, or is it all done in the bios? Thanks much to whoever cares enough the answer. 
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Starion15 on 05/01/03 10:14 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Starion15 on 05/01/03 10:14 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
If you don't plan on overclocking Tbred B XP1700+ just drops right in, even with your KT133A mobo. I have one working in an Epox 8KTA3PRO, myself.
If you do want to do a little overclocking it's still easy. My mobo can go to 150 Mhz FSB which means I can run the XP1700+ at 12.5 x 150 = 1875 without any mods. In my case, I need to increase core voltage a little, to about 1.70 volt. A7V133-C should yield similar results. (I'm assuming you have multiplier and FSB adjustmensts on that mobo).
Going to higher speeds gets a little trickier. Since these legacy boards don't officially support multipliers above 12.5x you have to play some tricks.
On legacy boards, CPUs with multipliers 13x or higher have their multipliers remapped. That is, you select something in BIOS (or by jumpers) and you get something else. Heres a partial list.
7x --> 15x
7.5x --> 22.5x
8x --> 16x
8.5x --> 16.5x
9x -->17x
You can also get 18x, 19x, 20x, and 23x.
See what I mean by tricks?
As I said, to get access to these higher multipliers your CPU has to have a default multiplier of 13x or higher. This can be because you have a genuine XP2100+ or higher. This can also be because you have mod'd your CPU (like XP1700+) or mobo.
Sounds reasonably simple but it gets more complicated. Most legacy boards allow these remappings as long as FSB is set at 100 Mhz but often have problems when FSB is increased to 133 Mhz.
My mod'd XP1700+ will boot at 15 x 133 with default voltage (1.6 volt). Some processors won't. 13x-14x doesn't work because of boot timing issues. 16x doesn't work because 16 x 133 is too much of an overclock (for my CPU) with default voltage. Some mobo establish their own default multiplier which add to the problems.
For example, legacy Abit boards sometimes try to POST at 20 x 133. 2666 Mhz is much too much of an overclock so it fails. Other times an identical board will POST at 20 x 100 but won't allow the switch to 133 Mhz FSB. A third board might work fine.
Even if there are problems there are workarounds for the legacy boards but they involve chip or mobo mods.
As for you A7V133-C. I haven't seen too much on legacy Asus boards (don't own one so I don't really follow that information). However, I'm positve an XP1700+ will work stock and that you can overclock as I described above. I just don't know what issues you run into if you attempt to access the higher multipliers but I'm also positive there are workarounds for the issues that do come up.
Sorry for the long post.
<b>99% is great, unless you are talking about system stability</b>
If you do want to do a little overclocking it's still easy. My mobo can go to 150 Mhz FSB which means I can run the XP1700+ at 12.5 x 150 = 1875 without any mods. In my case, I need to increase core voltage a little, to about 1.70 volt. A7V133-C should yield similar results. (I'm assuming you have multiplier and FSB adjustmensts on that mobo).
Going to higher speeds gets a little trickier. Since these legacy boards don't officially support multipliers above 12.5x you have to play some tricks.
On legacy boards, CPUs with multipliers 13x or higher have their multipliers remapped. That is, you select something in BIOS (or by jumpers) and you get something else. Heres a partial list.
7x --> 15x
7.5x --> 22.5x
8x --> 16x
8.5x --> 16.5x
9x -->17x
You can also get 18x, 19x, 20x, and 23x.
See what I mean by tricks?
As I said, to get access to these higher multipliers your CPU has to have a default multiplier of 13x or higher. This can be because you have a genuine XP2100+ or higher. This can also be because you have mod'd your CPU (like XP1700+) or mobo.
Sounds reasonably simple but it gets more complicated. Most legacy boards allow these remappings as long as FSB is set at 100 Mhz but often have problems when FSB is increased to 133 Mhz.
My mod'd XP1700+ will boot at 15 x 133 with default voltage (1.6 volt). Some processors won't. 13x-14x doesn't work because of boot timing issues. 16x doesn't work because 16 x 133 is too much of an overclock (for my CPU) with default voltage. Some mobo establish their own default multiplier which add to the problems.
For example, legacy Abit boards sometimes try to POST at 20 x 133. 2666 Mhz is much too much of an overclock so it fails. Other times an identical board will POST at 20 x 100 but won't allow the switch to 133 Mhz FSB. A third board might work fine.
Even if there are problems there are workarounds for the legacy boards but they involve chip or mobo mods.
As for you A7V133-C. I haven't seen too much on legacy Asus boards (don't own one so I don't really follow that information). However, I'm positve an XP1700+ will work stock and that you can overclock as I described above. I just don't know what issues you run into if you attempt to access the higher multipliers but I'm also positive there are workarounds for the issues that do come up.
Sorry for the long post.
<b>99% is great, unless you are talking about system stability</b>
The longness doesn't bother me, I quite appreciate it. The A7V133-c is supposed to work with up 2100+ out of the box, and the fsb can be increased in 1 mhz increments (starting at either 100 or 133). With this 1700+, what is required to change the voltage? Is is a motherboard thing, or like the crossing of bridges with the pencil thing? Thank again.
[edited for clarity]
For legacy boards the best choice for a processor is usually the Tbred B XP2100+, reasoning being the high multiplier bit is already enable, it has a higher default voltage, and it's more likely to run at higher speed by default.
You could still run into problems but this gives you a head start.
Using mod'd XP1700+ a common issue is that KT133A mobo may try to POST at 20 x 100 or 2000 Mhz. Depending on the mobo this may be attempted before the BIOS settings kick in which IS the problem.
If it does happen you want your default voltage boosted high enough to POST and remain stable long enough to make changes in BIOS. To do this you can mod the L11 bridges. Closing all five of these bridges would give a default voltage of 1.85 V. (Don't forget to fill the gaps first). Don't worry about the high 1.85 voltage. You can still override this in BIOS.
Here's a good link for for mod'ing bridges on Tbreds (wait for the overlay). As I mentioned, I recommend setting 13x multiplier and 1.85 volts. (Sometimes 15x works better but this is probably rare).
<A HREF="http://www.ocinside.de/index_e.html?/html/workshop/socketa/tbred_painting.html" target="_new">http://www.ocinside.de/index_e.html?/html/workshop/socketa/tbred_painting.html</A>
Another alternative is mod'ing the back of the CPU, connecting the appropirate pins with conductive paint or a wire. The CPU socket can be mod'd with fine wire. Lastly the back of the motheboard can be mod'd.
With all of these mods you are basically changing multipliers by connecting the appriopriate pins to Vss (ground) to pull the multiplier bits LO or connecting them to Vcc (VCore) to pull the them HI.
Same should go for voltage setting pins. (Haven't tried this one, myself).
One thing to note, the pin mods override CPU and BIOS settings.
The CPU bridge mods just change the default CPU settings which can still be changed in BIOS.
Here are some good links for CPU/mobo mods.
<A HREF="http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/" target="_new">Wes Newell's Homepage</A>
Multiplier Remappings
<A HREF="http://www.beachlink.com/candjac/TbredDecode0.htm#Table" target="_new">http://www.beachlink.com/candjac/TbredDecode0.htm#Table</A>
Workarounds (includes nice diagrams of where to do the pin mods).
<A HREF="http://www.beachlink.com/candjac/Workarounds.htm" target="_new">http://www.beachlink.com/candjac/Workarounds.htm</A>
<b>99% is great, unless you are talking about system stability</b><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by phsstpok on 05/01/03 11:56 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
For legacy boards the best choice for a processor is usually the Tbred B XP2100+, reasoning being the high multiplier bit is already enable, it has a higher default voltage, and it's more likely to run at higher speed by default.
You could still run into problems but this gives you a head start.
Using mod'd XP1700+ a common issue is that KT133A mobo may try to POST at 20 x 100 or 2000 Mhz. Depending on the mobo this may be attempted before the BIOS settings kick in which IS the problem.
If it does happen you want your default voltage boosted high enough to POST and remain stable long enough to make changes in BIOS. To do this you can mod the L11 bridges. Closing all five of these bridges would give a default voltage of 1.85 V. (Don't forget to fill the gaps first). Don't worry about the high 1.85 voltage. You can still override this in BIOS.
Here's a good link for for mod'ing bridges on Tbreds (wait for the overlay). As I mentioned, I recommend setting 13x multiplier and 1.85 volts. (Sometimes 15x works better but this is probably rare).
<A HREF="http://www.ocinside.de/index_e.html?/html/workshop/socketa/tbred_painting.html" target="_new">http://www.ocinside.de/index_e.html?/html/workshop/socketa/tbred_painting.html</A>
Another alternative is mod'ing the back of the CPU, connecting the appropirate pins with conductive paint or a wire. The CPU socket can be mod'd with fine wire. Lastly the back of the motheboard can be mod'd.
With all of these mods you are basically changing multipliers by connecting the appriopriate pins to Vss (ground) to pull the multiplier bits LO or connecting them to Vcc (VCore) to pull the them HI.
Same should go for voltage setting pins. (Haven't tried this one, myself).
One thing to note, the pin mods override CPU and BIOS settings.
The CPU bridge mods just change the default CPU settings which can still be changed in BIOS.
Here are some good links for CPU/mobo mods.
<A HREF="http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/" target="_new">Wes Newell's Homepage</A>
Multiplier Remappings
<A HREF="http://www.beachlink.com/candjac/TbredDecode0.htm#Table" target="_new">http://www.beachlink.com/candjac/TbredDecode0.htm#Table</A>
Workarounds (includes nice diagrams of where to do the pin mods).
<A HREF="http://www.beachlink.com/candjac/Workarounds.htm" target="_new">http://www.beachlink.com/candjac/Workarounds.htm</A>
<b>99% is great, unless you are talking about system stability</b><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by phsstpok on 05/01/03 11:56 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
hi guys.. ive recently managed to get one of these overclockable amd cpus.. but my motherboard is an old 7vtxh+..
tho its not really an overclockers board there are still a bunch of multiplier settings i can fiddle with..
i was wondering if you guys had any advice on this combo?
how far can i go with OC'ing this cpu with this mobo??
i hope you can help me out
(im using micron 266 pc2100 ddr ram)
thanks for your time
tho its not really an overclockers board there are still a bunch of multiplier settings i can fiddle with..
i was wondering if you guys had any advice on this combo?
how far can i go with OC'ing this cpu with this mobo??
i hope you can help me out
(im using micron 266 pc2100 ddr ram)
thanks for your time
What are your FSB and multiplier options?
If you can change the multiplier the max is probably 12.5x.
If you can change FSB at all then your max will probably be determined by your PC2100 memory which is 133 Mhz memory.
If can boost FSB to say 140 Mhz then the most you could overclock is 12.5 x 140 or 1750 Mhz. If you can run FSB at 150 Mhz then that would yield 1875 Mhz.
This is probably about the best you can do without better memory or doing mods.
<b>99% is great, unless you are talking about system stability</b>
If you can change the multiplier the max is probably 12.5x.
If you can change FSB at all then your max will probably be determined by your PC2100 memory which is 133 Mhz memory.
If can boost FSB to say 140 Mhz then the most you could overclock is 12.5 x 140 or 1750 Mhz. If you can run FSB at 150 Mhz then that would yield 1875 Mhz.
This is probably about the best you can do without better memory or doing mods.
<b>99% is great, unless you are talking about system stability</b>
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