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April 20, 2004 12:44:49 PM

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Hi,

I would like to add my old 10gig hard drive in my new 8300 Dell
computer as a second hard drive. Could there be a problem of compatibility
or a problem with the Dell warranty doing so?

Richard

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Anonymous
April 20, 2004 1:39:03 PM

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"Richard" <superrickynospamhereplease@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:%W8hc.38102$Gp4.823505@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Hi,
>
> I would like to add my old 10gig hard drive in my new 8300 Dell
> computer as a second hard drive. Could there be a problem of
compatibility
> or a problem with the Dell warranty doing so?
>
> Richard
>
>


Nope. Jumper it as "cable select", put the green drive rails on and fit it
to suit your needs. You won't have a problem unless you've got two CD
drives AND a zip drive along with the hard drive....

You'll want to connect the 10gb hard drive to the middle or IDE1 connector
on the IDE1 ribbon cable.


Stew
Anonymous
April 20, 2004 2:31:16 PM

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"Richard" <superrickynospamhereplease@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<%W8hc.38102$Gp4.823505@news20.bellglobal.com>...
> Hi,
>
> I would like to add my old 10gig hard drive in my new 8300 Dell
> computer as a second hard drive. Could there be a problem of compatibility
> or a problem with the Dell warranty doing so?
>
> Richard

"adding an hard drive"

Title variations: adding a hard drive or adding an 'ard drive (Cockney
or maybe it is Canadienese)

Just kidding...of course!
Related resources
April 20, 2004 4:19:19 PM

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Thank you all for the information.

Richard

"Richard" <superrickynospamhereplease@sympatico.ca> a écrit dans le message
de news:%W8hc.38102$Gp4.823505@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Hi,
>
> I would like to add my old 10gig hard drive in my new 8300 Dell
> computer as a second hard drive. Could there be a problem of
compatibility
> or a problem with the Dell warranty doing so?
>
> Richard
>
>
Anonymous
April 20, 2004 6:55:53 PM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

Stew is correct, of course, and there won't be a problem with your Dell
warranty either.

Dell only supports the hardware that originally shipped with your computer,
so they won't support your old drive or any problems caused by your old
drive. But, like Stew wrote, installing your old drive is pretty
straightforward and you'll do fine.

Your computer's manual should have a section describing how to install a
second hard drive, which is also worth looking at.

Rocky

"S.Lewis" <stew1960@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:lwahc.38366$ux4.31628@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Richard" <superrickynospamhereplease@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:%W8hc.38102$Gp4.823505@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I would like to add my old 10gig hard drive in my new 8300 Dell
> > computer as a second hard drive. Could there be a problem of
> compatibility
> > or a problem with the Dell warranty doing so?
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
>
>
> Nope. Jumper it as "cable select", put the green drive rails on and fit
it
> to suit your needs. You won't have a problem unless you've got two CD
> drives AND a zip drive along with the hard drive....
>
> You'll want to connect the 10gb hard drive to the middle or IDE1 connector
> on the IDE1 ribbon cable.
>
>
> Stew
>
>
Anonymous
April 20, 2004 6:55:54 PM

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Agreed - Absolutely look at the manual or the on-line information. You have
to put the original drive in the lower bay and the additional drive in the
top bay for the cable to fit correctly.

http://docs.us.dell.com/docs/systems/dim8300/sm/drives....

"Rocket J. Squirrel" <rocky@bullwinkle.com> wrote in message
news:2ebc093ad5fb8013138bebf2592cc142@news.teranews.com...
> Stew is correct, of course, and there won't be a problem with your Dell
> warranty either.
>
> Dell only supports the hardware that originally shipped with your
computer,
> so they won't support your old drive or any problems caused by your old
> drive. But, like Stew wrote, installing your old drive is pretty
> straightforward and you'll do fine.
>
> Your computer's manual should have a section describing how to install a
> second hard drive, which is also worth looking at.
>
> Rocky
>
> "S.Lewis" <stew1960@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:lwahc.38366$ux4.31628@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> >
> > "Richard" <superrickynospamhereplease@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:%W8hc.38102$Gp4.823505@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I would like to add my old 10gig hard drive in my new 8300 Dell
> > > computer as a second hard drive. Could there be a problem of
> > compatibility
> > > or a problem with the Dell warranty doing so?
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Nope. Jumper it as "cable select", put the green drive rails on and fit
> it
> > to suit your needs. You won't have a problem unless you've got two CD
> > drives AND a zip drive along with the hard drive....
> >
> > You'll want to connect the 10gb hard drive to the middle or IDE1
connector
> > on the IDE1 ribbon cable.
> >
> >
> > Stew
> >
> >
>
>
Anonymous
April 20, 2004 7:25:23 PM

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Like joe said.

And don't do what I did the first time I replaced a hard drive. (It was long
ago, so I can talk about it now.) I pulled out the floppy drive, thinking it
was the hard drive. With the case open, they all looked the same to me. Then
I somehow managed to cram the replacement hard drive into the floppy drive
cage, which was quite a feat since the two drives are different sizes. But
the ribbon cable for a floppy drive won't plug into a hard drive. That's
when I threw in the towel and called Dell. When we finally figured out what
I'd done, I got the tech to promise not to use my name when he told his
buddies about the luser who couldn't tell the difference between a hard
drive and a floppy drive.

Rocky

"joe_tide" <joetide@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:108afgvl47ird78@corp.supernews.com...
> Agreed - Absolutely look at the manual or the on-line information. You
have
> to put the original drive in the lower bay and the additional drive in the
> top bay for the cable to fit correctly.
>
> http://docs.us.dell.com/docs/systems/dim8300/sm/drives....
>
> "Rocket J. Squirrel" <rocky@bullwinkle.com> wrote in message
> news:2ebc093ad5fb8013138bebf2592cc142@news.teranews.com...
> > Stew is correct, of course, and there won't be a problem with your Dell
> > warranty either.
> >
> > Dell only supports the hardware that originally shipped with your
> computer,
> > so they won't support your old drive or any problems caused by your old
> > drive. But, like Stew wrote, installing your old drive is pretty
> > straightforward and you'll do fine.
> >
> > Your computer's manual should have a section describing how to install a
> > second hard drive, which is also worth looking at.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > "S.Lewis" <stew1960@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:lwahc.38366$ux4.31628@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> > >
> > > "Richard" <superrickynospamhereplease@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:%W8hc.38102$Gp4.823505@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I would like to add my old 10gig hard drive in my new 8300
Dell
> > > > computer as a second hard drive. Could there be a problem of
> > > compatibility
> > > > or a problem with the Dell warranty doing so?
> > > >
> > > > Richard
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Nope. Jumper it as "cable select", put the green drive rails on and
fit
> > it
> > > to suit your needs. You won't have a problem unless you've got two CD
> > > drives AND a zip drive along with the hard drive....
> > >
> > > You'll want to connect the 10gb hard drive to the middle or IDE1
> connector
> > > on the IDE1 ribbon cable.
> > >
> > >
> > > Stew
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Anonymous
April 20, 2004 10:15:53 PM

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"Richard" <superrickynospamhereplease@sympatico.ca> wrote in
message news:%W8hc.38102$Gp4.823505@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Hi,
>
> I would like to add my old 10gig hard drive in my
new 8300 Dell
> computer as a second hard drive. Could there be a problem
of compatibility
> or a problem with the Dell warranty doing so?
>
> Richard
>
>

If you have a Serial ATA drive installed and are installing
an ATA 10 Gig, here is some info.

I recently bought a Dell Dimension 8300 with a 120Gig HD. I
took the 80Gig out of my old 4100 and installed it in the
8300. The 120 Gig is a serial ATA drive and the 80Gig is an
IDE. The power cable is in place in the case, but I had to
use a ribbon cable for the 80 Gig. The BIOS didn't recognize
the 80 Gig, so I called Dell Support. They got me
straightened out by walking me through things that are not
in the manual or on the site mentioned in this thread. First
of all you move the installed drive to the bottom bay and
put the 10 Gig in the top bay. There are two different color
coded loose power cables hanging in the case. Hook the power
cable to the 10 Gig drive, making sure it's the same type as
is plugged into the original HD. Plug the ribbon cable into
the empty black receptacle on the motherboard and plug the
last, not middle, ribbon connector to the HD. As mentioned
in this thread, the drive jumper should be set to
cable-select (CS).

This is where I'm not absolutely sure of the procedure, but
it goes something like this.

Once the connectors are all in place, boot the system. Press
F2 at the DELL screen and get into the setup screen. Turn on
the scroll lock, caps lock and numlock so that all three
lights are ON. Then you press ALT-E, then ALT-F. As I said,
there is a specific sequence of key strokes that must be
followed and I'm NOT certain of it. Call Dell Support unless
someone here can attest to the sequence.

Once I did what the support guy told me, everything was
fine.

Good luck.

Frank
Anonymous
April 21, 2004 8:26:47 AM

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S.Lewis <stew1960@bellsouth.net> coughed up the following:

> "Richard" <superrickynospamhereplease@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:%W8hc.38102$Gp4.823505@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to add my old 10gig hard drive in my new 8300 Dell
>> computer as a second hard drive. Could there be a problem of
>> compatibility or a problem with the Dell warranty doing so?
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>
>
> Nope. Jumper it as "cable select", put the green drive rails on and
> fit it to suit your needs. You won't have a problem unless you've
> got two CD drives AND a zip drive along with the hard drive....
>
> You'll want to connect the 10gb hard drive to the middle or IDE1
> connector on the IDE1 ribbon cable.


WHOA, not enough! Not for sanity anyway.

1. Be sure to tell the bios about your drive or else it'll be configured
as PIO and not UDMA 5. Actually, just the adding of an un-bios-selected
drive will also demote the ORIGINAL drive from UDMA 5 to UDMA 2.

2. Be aware that the two drives may cause quite a racket. That's what
mine did. When I added my old 7200rpm to my Dim8300, the harmonic
resonances went through the roof as the two rythms beat against each
other. NOISY.

This is mostly because of that stupid drive bracket thing that everyone
else seems to love so much. It just isn't a tight enough bond to the
cage and the drive'll bounce around like a superball in a shoebox.
Anonymous
April 21, 2004 2:32:38 PM

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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:15:53 -0400, "Frank K." <fkozerski@comcast.net>
wrote:

>
>"Richard" <superrickynospamhereplease@sympatico.ca> wrote in
>message news:%W8hc.38102$Gp4.823505@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to add my old 10gig hard drive in my
>new 8300 Dell
>> computer as a second hard drive. Could there be a problem
>of compatibility
>> or a problem with the Dell warranty doing so?
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>
>If you have a Serial ATA drive installed and are installing
>an ATA 10 Gig, here is some info.
>
>I recently bought a Dell Dimension 8300 with a 120Gig HD. I
>took the 80Gig out of my old 4100 and installed it in the
>8300. The 120 Gig is a serial ATA drive and the 80Gig is an
>IDE. The power cable is in place in the case, but I had to
>use a ribbon cable for the 80 Gig. The BIOS didn't recognize
>the 80 Gig, so I called Dell Support. They got me
>straightened out by walking me through things that are not
>in the manual or on the site mentioned in this thread. First
>of all you move the installed drive to the bottom bay and
>put the 10 Gig in the top bay. There are two different color
>coded loose power cables hanging in the case. Hook the power
>cable to the 10 Gig drive, making sure it's the same type as
>is plugged into the original HD. Plug the ribbon cable into
>the empty black receptacle on the motherboard and plug the
>last, not middle, ribbon connector to the HD. As mentioned
>in this thread, the drive jumper should be set to
>cable-select (CS).
>
>This is where I'm not absolutely sure of the procedure, but
>it goes something like this.
>
>Once the connectors are all in place, boot the system. Press
>F2 at the DELL screen and get into the setup screen. Turn on
>the scroll lock, caps lock and numlock so that all three
>lights are ON. Then you press ALT-E, then ALT-F. As I said,
>there is a specific sequence of key strokes that must be
>followed and I'm NOT certain of it. Call Dell Support unless
>someone here can attest to the sequence.

I had the very same experience as you. When my Dimension XPS arrived
last November (with single SATA drive), the first thing I did was
attempt to install a 120gb ATA drive. I couldn't figure out how to
get the BIOS to "welcome" it. Called tech support and got led down
the same labyrinth of weirdness (including a couple on-holds for the
tech to get help himself)--but an hour later, voila! I must admit I
thought the guy was nuts when he directed me to "turn on all the
lights" on my keyboard--voodoo!! :-)

Before calling I had installed my second drive (as I always had in the
past) as a 'slave,' not 'cable-select' as often mentioned here. Works
fine.

--John W. Wells
Anonymous
April 22, 2004 1:09:53 AM

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Jumpering a drive as Slave AND putting it on the middle (Slave) connector
WILL work fine. Jumpering it as Slave and putting it on the end (Master)
connector will not.

Tom
"John W. Wells" <djinn@7Tsimmery.axe> wrote in message
news:jebd80lk057d6rno2aef7hv1bok1g3r0ou@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:15:53 -0400, "Frank K." <fkozerski@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Richard" <superrickynospamhereplease@sympatico.ca> wrote in
> >message news:%W8hc.38102$Gp4.823505@news20.bellglobal.com...
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I would like to add my old 10gig hard drive in my
> >new 8300 Dell
> >> computer as a second hard drive. Could there be a problem
> >of compatibility
> >> or a problem with the Dell warranty doing so?
> >>
> >> Richard
> >>
> >>
> >
> >If you have a Serial ATA drive installed and are installing
> >an ATA 10 Gig, here is some info.
> >
> >I recently bought a Dell Dimension 8300 with a 120Gig HD. I
> >took the 80Gig out of my old 4100 and installed it in the
> >8300. The 120 Gig is a serial ATA drive and the 80Gig is an
> >IDE. The power cable is in place in the case, but I had to
> >use a ribbon cable for the 80 Gig. The BIOS didn't recognize
> >the 80 Gig, so I called Dell Support. They got me
> >straightened out by walking me through things that are not
> >in the manual or on the site mentioned in this thread. First
> >of all you move the installed drive to the bottom bay and
> >put the 10 Gig in the top bay. There are two different color
> >coded loose power cables hanging in the case. Hook the power
> >cable to the 10 Gig drive, making sure it's the same type as
> >is plugged into the original HD. Plug the ribbon cable into
> >the empty black receptacle on the motherboard and plug the
> >last, not middle, ribbon connector to the HD. As mentioned
> >in this thread, the drive jumper should be set to
> >cable-select (CS).
> >
> >This is where I'm not absolutely sure of the procedure, but
> >it goes something like this.
> >
> >Once the connectors are all in place, boot the system. Press
> >F2 at the DELL screen and get into the setup screen. Turn on
> >the scroll lock, caps lock and numlock so that all three
> >lights are ON. Then you press ALT-E, then ALT-F. As I said,
> >there is a specific sequence of key strokes that must be
> >followed and I'm NOT certain of it. Call Dell Support unless
> >someone here can attest to the sequence.
>
> I had the very same experience as you. When my Dimension XPS arrived
> last November (with single SATA drive), the first thing I did was
> attempt to install a 120gb ATA drive. I couldn't figure out how to
> get the BIOS to "welcome" it. Called tech support and got led down
> the same labyrinth of weirdness (including a couple on-holds for the
> tech to get help himself)--but an hour later, voila! I must admit I
> thought the guy was nuts when he directed me to "turn on all the
> lights" on my keyboard--voodoo!! :-)
>
> Before calling I had installed my second drive (as I always had in the
> past) as a 'slave,' not 'cable-select' as often mentioned here. Works
> fine.
>
> --John W. Wells
>
Anonymous
April 22, 2004 7:23:28 AM

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[not addressed to Tom Scales in particullar]

I've seen something in this ng much much more so than in any other I've
been in.

Please consider top posting to messages where others have top posted,
and bottom posting to where others have bottom posted.

But mixing them up is making a hell of a mess.



Tom Scales <tomtoo@softhome.net> coughed up the following:

> Jumpering a drive as Slave AND putting it on the middle (Slave)
> connector WILL work fine. Jumpering it as Slave and putting it on
> the end (Master) connector will not.
>
> Tom
> "John W. Wells" <djinn@7Tsimmery.axe> wrote in message
> news:jebd80lk057d6rno2aef7hv1bok1g3r0ou@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:15:53 -0400, "Frank K."
>> <fkozerski@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Richard" <superrickynospamhereplease@sympatico.ca> wrote in
>>> message news:%W8hc.38102$Gp4.823505@news20.bellglobal.com...
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to add my old 10gig hard drive in my
>>> new 8300 Dell
>>>> computer as a second hard drive. Could there be a problem
>>> of compatibility
>>>> or a problem with the Dell warranty doing so?
>>>>
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you have a Serial ATA drive installed and are installing
>>> an ATA 10 Gig, here is some info.
>>>
>>> I recently bought a Dell Dimension 8300 with a 120Gig HD. I
>>> took the 80Gig out of my old 4100 and installed it in the
>>> 8300. The 120 Gig is a serial ATA drive and the 80Gig is an
>>> IDE. The power cable is in place in the case, but I had to
>>> use a ribbon cable for the 80 Gig. The BIOS didn't recognize
>>> the 80 Gig, so I called Dell Support. They got me
>>> straightened out by walking me through things that are not
>>> in the manual or on the site mentioned in this thread. First
>>> of all you move the installed drive to the bottom bay and
>>> put the 10 Gig in the top bay. There are two different color
>>> coded loose power cables hanging in the case. Hook the power
>>> cable to the 10 Gig drive, making sure it's the same type as
>>> is plugged into the original HD. Plug the ribbon cable into
>>> the empty black receptacle on the motherboard and plug the
>>> last, not middle, ribbon connector to the HD. As mentioned
>>> in this thread, the drive jumper should be set to
>>> cable-select (CS).
>>>
>>> This is where I'm not absolutely sure of the procedure, but
>>> it goes something like this.
>>>
>>> Once the connectors are all in place, boot the system. Press
>>> F2 at the DELL screen and get into the setup screen. Turn on
>>> the scroll lock, caps lock and numlock so that all three
>>> lights are ON. Then you press ALT-E, then ALT-F. As I said,
>>> there is a specific sequence of key strokes that must be
>>> followed and I'm NOT certain of it. Call Dell Support unless
>>> someone here can attest to the sequence.
>>
>> I had the very same experience as you. When my Dimension XPS arrived
>> last November (with single SATA drive), the first thing I did was
>> attempt to install a 120gb ATA drive. I couldn't figure out how to
>> get the BIOS to "welcome" it. Called tech support and got led down
>> the same labyrinth of weirdness (including a couple on-holds for the
>> tech to get help himself)--but an hour later, voila! I must admit I
>> thought the guy was nuts when he directed me to "turn on all the
>> lights" on my keyboard--voodoo!! :-)
>>
>> Before calling I had installed my second drive (as I always had in
>> the past) as a 'slave,' not 'cable-select' as often mentioned here.
>> Works fine.
>>
>> --John W. Wells
Anonymous
April 22, 2004 6:14:17 PM

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.dell (More info?)

On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:09:53 -0400, "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net>
wrote:

>Jumpering a drive as Slave AND putting it on the middle (Slave) connector
>WILL work fine. Jumpering it as Slave and putting it on the end (Master)
>connector will not.

Guess I'll be takin' your word for that--not about to pull it out to
check!!

--JWW
!