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May 13, 2003 10:29:41 PM

Hello all,

Can I get your thoughts and opinions on a machine I am looking to buy?

I built my computer last time, but this time I decided to just go with a prebuilt system.

So ibuypower.com is where I am looking to purchase the computer. They seem to have a nice blend of system components, excellent price and good testimonials.

Any good/bad experiences with them?

Lastly here are the system specs:
ASUS A7N8X-DX Deluxe MB (Fastest board from reviews)
420 Watt Power Supply - Thermal temp LCD display on case
AMD Barton XP 2500+ (Price point seems to be the sweetest)
1 gig of DDR-400
WD Special Edition 120 GB 7200 8mb cache HD
ATI Radeon 9800 PRO 128 mbs
16x DVD
52x24x52 CD-RW
Creative Labs Audigy-2 6.1
Creative Labs Inspire 5200 5.1 Speakers (Just for fun - I wear headphones)
10/100 onboard LAN
Microsoft Optical mouse/Internet Keyboard/Round Cables for all wiring/Windows XP

I am getting a price of 1695.00 for above and a few small other things.


Please be brutal on the system. It is going to be used for gaming and our 3d animation work.

I am trying to hit the sweet spot between performance and price.

Finally, is it worth to wait till September/October for the Athlon 64? Or should I get a Pentium 4 system now and have the ability to upgrade the cpu later on? Seems like the AMD 3200+ is the last chip they will make. How fast do you think the P 4 will get?

Thanks for your help!

Justin







<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by farwalker on 05/13/03 06:47 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

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May 13, 2003 10:45:12 PM

The ASUS mainboard you chose, is a board that I've tried myself leaving only a bad experience. Unfortunately, I've used 4 ASUS mainboards lately that all came up with some great issues. Instead I would recommend the Soltek 75-FRN-RL (or 75-FRN2-RL).

What's your Power Supply brand?

Brand of memory?

Everything else looks fine. However since you're getting the Radeon 9800 Pro, you might as well pick up a stronger CPU to go with.


My system: AMD Athlon XP 3000+ CPU / TwinMOS 1Gb DDR400 / Soltek 75FRN-RL /
Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro / Antec True Power 550W / Maxtor 80Gb ATA-133 / Hercules GTXP SC /
Samsung DVD / Lite-On CDRW
May 13, 2003 10:47:11 PM

why aren't you building yourself now

i'd buy components a 2.4ghz pIV and a 865 based mobo and you can get a lot better perfrmance than that athlon, as for the videocard (NICE) to me its not worth it 500$ or whatever tose things cost i'd rather buy a new one every year than a new one every 3years or so, in this way you always get great performance ( not top) but always great

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May 13, 2003 11:28:15 PM

Thanks for the reponses! Much appreciated.

Good info on the ASUS board Sabbath1. Thanks

Not sure on the Power Supply or memory. I will call them to find out when I order.

Yea, do you suggest the 3000+ to go with a 9800 Pro?

Thanks!

Justin
May 13, 2003 11:54:59 PM

Instead of ASUS A7N8X Deluxe, buy MSI K7N2 Delta-ILSR. This is the fastest nForce2 MB, not the ASUS A7N8X. Most cases performane lead isn't that high, or equal to ASUS A7N9X, but sometimes it can be 7.77% faster than ASUS A7N8X Deluxe.

<A HREF="http://www6.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20030214/index..." target="_new"> THG review of MSI nForce2</A>
<A HREF="http://www6.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20030214/image..." target="_new"> In DivX encoding, MSI K7N2 is faster than ASUS A7N8X by 7.77%</A>

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May 14, 2003 1:06:47 AM

> ASUS A7N8X-DX Deluxe MB (Fastest board from reviews)
I'd suggest an Abit AN7-S (AK7?), I've heared it's the most reliable nForce board.

> AMD Barton XP 2500+ (Price point seems to be the sweetest)
Sounds good to me. I'll be getting this (and the Abit board) in June.

> 1 gig of DDR-400
I'd suggest Corsair/XMS TWINX.

> WD Special Edition 120 GB 7200 8mb cache HD
*drools*

> ATI Radeon 9800 PRO 128 mbs
if it makes you happy. I've learned not to make comments about ATi here due to fanboys.

> 16x DVD
Toshiba, Pioneer, and Sony have worked great for me. I personally have found Toshiba to be the most exceptional.

> 52x24x52 CD-RW
I usually go Yamaha and Plextor here, but I've not seen a Yamaha in a while :-(

> Creative Labs Audigy-2 6.1
> Creative Labs Inspire 5200 5.1 Speakers (Just for fun - I wear headphones)
*drools all over your card and speakers

> 10/100 onboard LAN
works good from what I hear.

Athlon XP 1600+, MSI K7T PRO2 RU (POS), 2x256 MB CRUCIAL PC2100 CL2.5 memory, Asus V6800 DDR Delux (GF 256) video card, 6.4GB+27GB WD HD, 40GB IBM HD (all 7200RPM). My computer is an acronym
May 14, 2003 1:08:29 AM

Seen/heard too much bad about MSI boards, how's that one? I wish I hadn't bought the one in my system (see sig)

Athlon XP 1600+, MSI K7T PRO2 RU (POS), 2x256 MB CRUCIAL PC2100 CL2.5 memory, Asus V6800 DDR Delux (GF 256) video card, 6.4GB+27GB WD HD, 40GB IBM HD (all 7200RPM). My computer is an acronym
May 14, 2003 1:57:24 AM

Quote:
I'd suggest an Abit AN7-S (AK7?), I've heared it's the most reliable nForce board.

Abit nforce2 board is the NF7-S. So many different models it's difficult to keep track. ;) 
May 14, 2003 4:34:18 AM

jimstapleton

thought i would let you know that Yamaha no longer will be makeing any more CD Roms :(  yea it sucks i found out a couple months after I got the F1...
go figure eh.

dah, has any body seen my paints? :redface:
May 14, 2003 5:38:46 AM

well what system are u using now, if it's enough for now wait for Athlon 64 even if it does suck the Barton will be even cheaper then and if the 64s are sweet than u know what to do ^^ and also it had been proven many times that Intel CPU can kick AMD's ass when it comes to multimedia programs and since ur going to do 3D animation it's best to use Intel. Don't think me wrong i am a AMD fanyboy but u just gotta admit P4 are better in some areas. If ur going P4 a Canterwood mobo is great right now i suggest the P4C800 from ASUS i head good things about it also a 3.0 or 2.8 GHZ 800 mhz P4 right now and upgrade to prescott later...

For me i am waiting for the first option to happen ATHLON 64 ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!

PS: don't mind people who either are careless or unlucky, the A7N8X is an awesome board and nothing should stop you from getting it.......... i have the Rev 2.0 and i can pump my sister's Athlon XP 2500+ Barton to 200mhz FSB no problem~~~~~~~

One more thing ( i know i am annoying)
You should wait a week or two for the 9800 pro cause NV35 is comming and ATI in response could lower the price (i'm just guessing) and maybe u will be interested in the 5900 Ultra and if you are really doing alot of 3D mark a work station card could be more suitable okay i'm done
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May 14, 2003 7:09:30 AM

You should have your system built by me. You simply order the parts from newegg, have them shipped to me, and I assemble it and ship it to you. It's $100 including shipping.

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May 14, 2003 8:40:11 AM

You're welcome.

However it might even be controversial for me here to go in and banish ASUS for making mostly problematic mainboards lately. After all, it's just me who've had lots of issues with them lately. Boards I've had trouble with includes P4S8X, P4G8X and A7N8X. All three boards crashed on me quite frequently, and A7N8X didn't even want to initialize my boardband USB modem. I'd definitely recommend the Soltek 75-FRN series though, which are very stable...or pick a MSI. Be sure to pick a mainboard with the nForce 2 chip though.

I'd suggest the 2600+ or 2700+ T-bred AMD CPU's to go with the mainboard, since those offers the best price/performance. If you want most performance though, buy the 3000+, or heaven forbid, the gravely overrated, yet very fastest 3200+.


My system: AMD Athlon XP 3000+ CPU / TwinMOS 1Gb DDR400 / Soltek 75FRN-RL /
Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro / Antec True Power 550W / Maxtor 80Gb ATA-133 / Hercules GTXP SC /
Samsung DVD / Lite-On CDRW<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by sabbath1 on 05/14/03 04:41 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
May 14, 2003 10:16:19 AM

I kinda guessed, any idea why? I heard they were moving to the DVD-R-RW segment, but that doesn't seem to be coming along...

Athlon XP 1600+, MSI K7T PRO2 RU (POS), 2x256 MB CRUCIAL PC2100 CL2.5 memory, Asus V6800 DDR Delux (GF 256) video card, 6.4GB+27GB WD HD, 40GB IBM HD (all 7200RPM). My computer is an acronym
May 14, 2003 8:42:44 PM

Well Since my mother works at Yamaha, I got the letter informing the employees about them no longer contiueing that product... i asked if the were going to be doing DVD, but she didn't know at the time...I'll have to ask again.

I'll most definalty post something should they get into DVD's.


dah, has any body seen my paints? :redface:
May 14, 2003 11:33:21 PM

I have heard nothing but good things about the stability of Abit's mobo's. I have one (KR7A 133DDR) and I'm very happy with it.

Unless you have piles of cash just sitting around I would never buy the top rated retail graphics card. In six months there'll be a new top dog and yours will be about half its present price. I would do like wschuerm said above and by a card in the $150-$200 range and plan on an upgrade in a year or so.

But that's just me.

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May 15, 2003 3:02:30 AM

the rev 2.0 version of the a7n8x deluxe seems to have fixed any issues previously wrong (on boards 1.0-1.4)
newegg is currently sending out 2.0

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May 15, 2003 4:26:40 AM

I ordered that board form Newegg on 4/29/2003 RMAed because it was V 1.2. Then they only had refurbs. They refunded my money on 5/8/2003 because they said they were back ordered. I just got mine today from <A HREF="http://www.excaliberpc.com/product_info.php?cPath=181_2..." target="_new"> excaliberpc.</A> They are the only ones to advertise V2.0 on the web. Prof 133 steered me to them. Newegg doesn't guaranty revisions on MOBO's or anything. So if you want to make sure you get a V 2.0 go there.

If you do a search on my name you'll find the threads where I was given the same advice as I'm giving to you, I didn't believe them & it didn't happen. So I've been from 4/29/2003 until today getting my V 2.0 board.

Now since the benches are out for the 3200 I wonder if it was all worth it. I don't see a 400 FSB CPU going on that board as weak as that POS is. I'll have to buy another MOBO to go with the Hammer anyway. I thought the 400 FSB Barton would give me some room to wait it out. Not the case at all.

If it ain't broke, take it apart & see why not!
May 15, 2003 10:08:49 AM

Ok, please ask your mother to pass this up the line then:

For optical RW drives, I don't want to buy anything other than a Yamaha, they have been so good for me, I don't want to risk the possibility of problems with going to another brand (though I hear Plextor is good)

Not to mention Yamaha is the only SCSI RW manufacturer I can find.

Athlon XP 1600+, MSI K7T PRO2 RU (POS), 2x256 MB CRUCIAL PC2100 CL2.5 memory, Asus V6800 DDR Delux (GF 256) video card, 6.4GB+27GB WD HD, 40GB IBM HD (all 7200RPM). My computer is an acronym
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