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"Athlon XP 3200+ same die as predecessor!"

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May 16, 2003 10:06:24 PM

Seems like the Athlon XP3200+ consists of the exactly same die as the XP3000+ and XP2800+ (Barton). Anyone with thoughts about this? Link is here:

http://www.siliconstrategies.com/story/OEG20030515S0067


My system: AMD Athlon XP 3000+ CPU / TwinMOS 1Gb DDR400 / Soltek 75FRN-RL /
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May 17, 2003 2:39:59 AM

Ive said this before...

My barton 2500, by just upping the FSB in bios, ran 200/400 right out of the box, in sync with ram.

My point is invest in an nforce2 board and a cheaper barton!

by the way its now overclocked to 2.25ghz, its a screamer. This is on an above average cooler, could do more on a better cooler.
May 17, 2003 6:04:19 AM

I agree. If you're an overclocker, I'd say it seems pretty pointless to buy anything above Barton 2500+ or, at least Barton 2800+. Seems like the cores of 2500+ and 2800+ ain't the same, but according to the many success stories of 2500+ overclocking, I guess the differences don't matter much.

My system: AMD Athlon XP 3000+ CPU / TwinMOS 1Gb DDR400 / Soltek 75FRN-RL /
Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro / Antec True Power 550W / Maxtor 80Gb ATA-133 / Hercules GTXP SC /
Samsung DVD / Lite-On CDRW
May 17, 2003 12:38:00 PM

Wow, what a stupid argument against AMD. The bane of AMD fsb overclocking has never been the cpu, it has always been the chipset and motherboard. AMD doesnt promise anything else other than 400fsb on the processor nothing else
May 17, 2003 12:52:48 PM

It's not very nice to call it a stupid argument, it's an opinion. I actually preferred AMD's products a while ago, but with the release of the 800 FSB P4's and Canterwood chipset, as well as AMD's fake PR rating as misleading selling arguments such as "AMD introduces XP****, world's highest performing PC processor".

I still think it's pretty pointless to purchase the XP3200+ or 3000+ when you can buy the 2800+ and overclock it, and you'll have the same chip. Or even the XP2500+ and overclock. You may like my argument or not, yet still it's an opinion. Now I don't usually make heavy overclocks myself because of some bad experiences, but such overclocks on eg: 2500+ to 3200+ speed has been done many times, with success. Besides, the 3200+ is way overpriced considering how it performs. The P4 3.0 with Canterwood is just about the same price as the 3200+ with nForce2, yet the P4 is performing better. That's why I wouldn't recommend anyone to purchase AMD CPU's that's faster than the XP2800+. You just gain too little considering what you have to pay for.

Wish I had the money for a P4 3.0 or 3.2 with Canterwood chip. I really want that setup.


My system: AMD Athlon XP 3000+ CPU / TwinMOS 1Gb DDR400 / Soltek 75FRN-RL /
Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro / Antec True Power 550W / Maxtor 80Gb ATA-133 / Hercules GTXP SC /
Samsung DVD / Lite-On CDRW
May 17, 2003 2:26:10 PM

If you tink its pointless to buy the 3200+ instead of buying a lower chip and overclock it, surely you must think its pointless to buy a 3.0C because you can just buy a 2.4C and overclock it?

If they didnt put hyperthreading on the 3.0C it would also be the same chip as the rest of the p4s, just with a lower multiplier, did you really need this article to tell you that it was the same chip?
May 17, 2003 2:37:30 PM

Have you read nothing of what I wrote? I said that the faster AXP's are overrated compared to the corresponding P4's, and the extra performance you gain is in my mind minimal, for what extra you have to pay. It's my opinion, why is it so hard to understand? Sorry I just don't understand why you're being so cocky against me? It's an opinion, nothing else.

The P4 3.0C comes with HT, but so does the 2.4C, 2.6C and 2.8C. I'm not sure those chips are exactly identical, but I do think you get more for what you pay for if you pick those new P4 chips, than what you currently get for AMD's high-end. That's my view of it, thus being an opinion. And I'm sticking with it.


My system: AMD Athlon XP 3000+ CPU / TwinMOS 1Gb DDR400 / Soltek 75FRN-RL /
Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro / Antec True Power 550W / Maxtor 80Gb ATA-133 / Hercules GTXP SC /
Samsung DVD / Lite-On CDRW
May 18, 2003 1:46:14 AM

Definetly. Invest in a cheaper Barton and ovclock it past 3200 speeds at 200fsb. Thats what i do.

XP2500<b>@</b>2300Mhz(11.5x/200)
A7N8X DLX
Corsair XMS-LL PC3200 2x256
ATI Radeon 9700Pro
Maxtor 80gig ATA/133 8mb
SLK800U/Tornado combo
Lite-On 52x24x52 CDRW
3Dmark01=16000
May 18, 2003 1:21:33 PM

If you're into overclocking, the XP3000+ (for instance) is compared to the XP2500+, no good overclocker at all. Mine max out at approx. 2.28 Ghz with the boxed cooler. I can run at 2.3 Ghz for a while, but the system becomes unstable with random crashes then. Of course there's better coolers, the CPU is still not a great overclocker, at least not with air cooling.

My system: AMD Athlon XP 3000+ CPU / TwinMOS 1Gb DDR400 / Soltek 75FRN-RL /
Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro / Antec True Power 550W / Maxtor 80Gb ATA-133 / Hercules GTXP SC /
Samsung DVD / Lite-On CDRW<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by sabbath1 on 05/18/03 09:23 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
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