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January 11, 2009 1:14:11 PM

In a word, "meh".

Maybe something really new and exciting is happening underneath the surface on Windows 7, but to me anyway, just seems like a re-skinned Vista. Frankly, I look at this and say to myself, "what the hell have those thousands of software engineers at M$ been doing all these months?"

YMMV but I am very NOT impressed. My least favorite part? The layout of the new taskbar. It's just, well, kludgy. It's too short in height for the icons on it as they almost bleed off the top edge. If you use "small icon" they are TOO small. Also, what purpose is served by the BIG space between icons? It looks funny and uses up valuable space to add quicklaunch items. It seems as if they added this big space separating the icons just for the hell of it.

Maybe the final version of W7 will be great, but as is, I won't be in any rush to replace Vista.

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Anonymous
a b $ Windows 7
January 11, 2009 1:38:04 PM

Rubbish,win 7 is fast to load up .less cluttered desktop. very fast browser.running on my acer laptop core 2 duo 1 gb ram .faster than ubuntu on dual book same laptop. final version should be awesome if build 7000 is anything to go by.down load from ms site not torrent as torrent corrupt.

georgee
a b $ Windows 7
January 11, 2009 2:08:31 PM

Right Click a blank area on the taskbar - Properties - Taskbar Buttons Dropdown... I recommend "Combine when Taskbar is full". Then select "Use Small Icons" and Apply.

Much nicer than the defaults.
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January 11, 2009 3:01:56 PM

georgee,

I think Windows 7 is rubbish. Faster to load? Oh boy, now there's a reason for me to spend $200 on a new OS. Just think of what I can do with that extra 10 seconds I've saved every day.

Less cluttered desktop? Lol, that reason is just too silly to even argue against. Your desktop is only as "cluttered" as you want to make it, even in Vista.

Browser faster? Nope, not any difference at all. As is, with a cable connection and the right tweaks, my browser in Vista is pretty much instantaneous.

Nope, no reason to blow $200 on this Vista + OS.
January 11, 2009 3:02:57 PM

As far as I can tell, there is NO reason for the new space put between the icons on the taskbar other than to just be annoying (which M$ does exceedingly well).
January 11, 2009 6:59:11 PM

Well maybe so, but for users like me with win xp 32 it may be a better choice. I will skip vista and go directly to win 7 64.

My win 7 build boots faster, browses quicker, gives me better fps in games, transfers big files faster to my ext HD than xp 32. And my win 7 build is on a 4 year old sata. IF i had it on my new sata II 7200.11 it would be even faster.

Now if you already have vista 64, it may not be that big a deal. IF i was already on vista 64 and was on a budget, i would spend my money on something else.
January 12, 2009 3:44:02 PM

Well, seeing as I pay $250 a year to be able to use any Microsoft PC or Server Operating system, I will most likely upgrade closer to the time that 7 goes gold. The only issues I have had so far was: 1.)my onboard sound card didn't have any drivers available for it. I was unable to find any online or on Dell's website, and 2.)Explore.exe and IExplore.exe kept bombing every few mins they were running. After about an hour of that I reformatted my drive and put Vista back on. I will try Win7 again on the next beta or Release Candidate release.
January 12, 2009 5:31:09 PM

I definitely think that if there going to offer this as an improvement from Vista, they should offer it at a steep discount for those people running Windows Vista.

AJ
January 12, 2009 7:05:04 PM

My impressions after a few days using W7.

Meh.

I keep asking myself, "where's the beef?". I keep going back and forth between Visat 64 and W7 64 and for the life of me, I can't tell the difference. To make the comparison better, i put the same wallpaper on both. Results? I seriously cannot tell the difference exceot that I have decided I HATE HATE HATE the layout of the new Task Bar.

Why the HELL do they put the icons so far apart and size them so close to the top of the Taskbar? It just looks WEIRD. I have TONS of QuickLaunch Icons on my Vista toolbar and I love them. Can't do it on W7 because of the idiotic spacing between icons. (For the life of me, I cannot undertsand what this new "spacing" does. It is just bad design.

As far as I can tell, W7 is just a reskinned Vista, and not very well reskinned at that. It reminds me of how the totally screwed up Office 2007 when Office 2003 was a great product.

Someone at M$ just LOVES them some big ass buttons and wants to put them everywhere.
a b $ Windows 7
January 12, 2009 7:18:55 PM

Win7 = Vista Lite
January 12, 2009 10:12:15 PM

Ok, ok, W7 is growing on me.

Here's a few reasons. I figured out how to add my quick launch programs to the new taskbar as a "New Menu" Item. That definitely helped with functionality. I also put the taskbar on the left side and side itt o autohide. that overcame my problem with the bar being too short for the icons.

GAMING:
I have an 8800 GT Nvidia card. In Vista, I could only overclock it to 740 | 1750 | 900. In W7, I've pushed it to 740 | 1850 | 950 in Multiplayer and it ran smooth and looked very very good. Unless you kkow something about video cards, that is a pretty high overclock for that stock card.

So gaming is thumbs up on W7.

Like I said, it is growing on me.

I only wish they had the drivers for my HP 3200 Laserjet (yeah, I know, it's 8 years old, but it still works!) printer.
January 12, 2009 10:25:18 PM

I second the OPs opinion (although I've only used W7 for a very short time). It definitely boots a little faster than Vista, although not significantly, but the overall time after boot before the system responsiveness peaks is alot less. Perhaps that is because SuperFetch hasn't kicked in yet. We'll see in time. Anyway, I would certainly not drop $300AU on this OS, but if it pops up on MSDNAA I'll grab it.
January 12, 2009 10:33:19 PM

Regarding the Taskbar:

I have found that if you set it to autohide and place it on the left side, it is much less 'kludgy" than if you try to put it along the bottom. Give it a try and see if you agree with me.

Overall, I am also noticing a generally improved "smoothness" to the operation of W7 compared to Vista. Hard to pinpoint. The general color scheme seems easier on the eyes.
January 12, 2009 11:28:21 PM

I have it on the bottom with small icons. It's just the same as Vista in size that way.
January 12, 2009 11:52:57 PM

I am coming from win xp sp 2 32b it and never really used vista. I like 7's interface / desktop. little things like the task bar being transparent, the windows key + tab key rolling thru the apps, search, lots of control panel items, sticky notes etc.

This is really a 64 bit thing, i like using all my RAM. I like the way it handles video RAM.
January 13, 2009 2:43:51 PM

I heard windows seven is going to use idle cpu cores, or cores with low amounts of load to help out the graphics card when gaming. Can anyone validate this?
a b $ Windows 7
January 13, 2009 8:08:55 PM

It's still in BETA!!! Hopefully all the problems people are having will be fixed soon. I'll be installing the x64 Win 7 on the weekend.
January 13, 2009 8:56:53 PM

was there any changes to the file system? Back before they released Vista they were making a new file system. I wonder if this made it?

From what I read so far about it, sounds like Vista SP2 repackaged as a new OS.

If that's the case M$FT must think we are stupid.
January 13, 2009 9:38:08 PM

We bought new computers for our company nearly 8 years ago, with Windows 98SE. They worked great and were fast. 3.5 years ago we replaced those with new computers running XP. They were fast too, but overall not any faster than what we had before. 98SE vs. XP? Maybe easier to recover if one of your apps crash, easier to attach USB devices, otherwise to the user they are close to the same. I have Vista on a couple of laptops, looks like XP with rearranged menus and different fonts. Maybe there are improvements under the skin, that's what I've heard.

I guess you buy a new computer, you move to the next version of the OS. If the old OS is working for you then just stick with it. I just bought a new workstation for my office, it came with XP. I'm going to replace my desktop at home, will probably go with Vista. I downloaded the W7 Beta, might try it too.

Repackaged Vista? Repackaged XP? I don't care. I'm familiar with XP so I wouldn't mind if they just fixed some things that were wrong with it and improved other things, and let it look exactly the same.
January 13, 2009 10:33:04 PM

your post was longer than mine so I think you care a little more than what your letting on. lol.

I've used Win3.11, win95,win98,winME,WinNT,Win2000-pro,WinXP-pro and Vista64. The only one I jumped from was win98SE.

But with vista64 I waited til sp1, and I would do the same again with Win7 most likely. vista64 is better than xp in most cases... there are a few annoyances... programs going poof etc.

I've already read win7 has some of the same, so what does that tell you?
January 13, 2009 11:00:17 PM

mitchellvii said:
My impressions after a few days using W7.

Meh.

I keep asking myself, "where's the beef?". I keep going back and forth between Visat 64 and W7 64 and for the life of me, I can't tell the difference. To make the comparison better, i put the same wallpaper on both. Results? I seriously cannot tell the difference exceot that I have decided I HATE HATE HATE the layout of the new Task Bar.

Why the HELL do they put the icons so far apart and size them so close to the top of the Taskbar? It just looks WEIRD. I have TONS of QuickLaunch Icons on my Vista toolbar and I love them. Can't do it on W7 because of the idiotic spacing between icons. (For the life of me, I cannot undertsand what this new "spacing" does. It is just bad design.

As far as I can tell, W7 is just a reskinned Vista, and not very well reskinned at that. It reminds me of how the totally screwed up Office 2007 when Office 2003 was a great product.

Someone at M$ just LOVES them some big ass buttons and wants to put them everywhere.


The icon spacing in Vista appears closer because there is a 'hide' slider that win7 doesn't have. At least in this build. The spacing gets closer as you add more icons. I haven't filled up the taskbar yet to see what happens then, but I don't really find it unacceptable, just different.

If you want something to whinge about, try whinging about the fact that many programs install as 'system' user, and taking ownership of the top level folder seems impossible. Or that MS has once again played around with the TCPIP stack and winpcap will no longer load. Find something real to whinge about, then send in a bug report, be part of the solution.
Anonymous
a b $ Windows 7
January 14, 2009 12:47:05 AM

I just installed the beta Windows 7 and my downloads speed are so damn slow. Anybody know why? I am running a 5MB DSL service and getting 100kbps


Asus p5b Deluexe
January 14, 2009 1:03:41 AM

Bad connection to the server at the time? Who knows? DSL has umpteen factors which affect speeds.
a b $ Windows 7
January 14, 2009 1:26:42 AM

My take so far is it is not any faster or slower then Vista. I WILL get it for my next system, but there is no point in upgrading this system.

Like Vista the prefetch works well. There is ALLOT of tweaks to make life easier.

-Middle click(Mouse3) any program to launch a new copy of it(this is good because when you pin an item to the start menu and want another one its a pain)
-The sort by "date modified" has now been added as a default of the sort menu again. THANK GOD.
-The volume mixer no longer gets refresh errors(Black boxes).
-navigating windows is now better then ever with the new thumbnails.
-Desktop wallpapers can be auto cropped to fit. May be in vista, I honestly never looked(Just check, its not there....yet)
-There are lots of little tweaks here and there to make easier to use.

What would I like to see?

-An affinity section added to the program compatibility tab for programs.
-some kind of 16-bit emulator(even if it slow these apps are likely not looking for speed anyway) for installing 32 bit apps that used 16 bit installers or even running 16-bit apps.
-I want my quick launch back. Its a easy fix anyway. Made my own.
-Some tweaks to the new thumbnail preview system.
January 14, 2009 2:06:44 AM

croc,

Dude, shut up.

Just because I'm not concerned about the same things you are doesn't make my concerns any less valid. Plus, it's spelled "whine". Lol.
January 14, 2009 2:26:34 AM

Actually "whine" and "whinge" are two different words, but with similar meanings.
January 14, 2009 2:31:40 AM

mitchellvii said:
croc,

Dude, shut up.

Just because I'm not concerned about the same things you are doesn't make my concerns any less valid. Plus, it's spelled "whine". Lol.


Whinge is the terminology here in AUS... But if you prefer, in your case I'll just refer to you as a 'whiner'.

Nukemaster had a few nice tips, and a few whinges as well. I'd bet that he's already filed bug reports as well as I. Whinging on a forum does not improve a product. Whinging to the MFG does. MS didn't go to the trouble of releasing a beta OS to get no feedback or bug reports.
January 14, 2009 2:40:00 AM

mitchellvii ... croc - stop this, now. No more.
January 14, 2009 2:43:16 AM

pip_seeker said:
was there any changes to the file system? Back before they released Vista they were making a new file system. I wonder if this made it?

From what I read so far about it, sounds like Vista SP2 repackaged as a new OS.

If that's the case M$FT must think we are stupid.



M$FT is right, most people are stupid. And, you are right, Win7 is just Vista SP2. But it's amazing how many people that treated Vista like the anti-christ are all jumping on the Win7 bandwagon.
January 14, 2009 3:51:17 AM

jkflipflop98 said:
M$FT is right, most people are stupid. And, you are right, Win7 is just Vista SP2. But it's amazing how many people that treated Vista like the anti-christ are all jumping on the Win7 bandwagon.


Mojave experiment released into the wild? Not really, but not too far off...

No WinFS was a disappointment, but all of the many small tweaks do add up. Do they add up to a new OS? Not yet, but we're still in beta... They could still surprise. Pricing will be critical, methinks, for this to be adopted widely. If it is priced at the price-points that Vista was originally, I think there will be a huge sound of silence. But if an upgrade is ~50 USD, and a full install is <100 USD, retail...

And I hope they don't try to rob and pillage those of us that aren't in the US this time.

So we wait and see.
January 14, 2009 4:26:26 AM

Windows 7 is definately interesting, but with 3 years between OS's now, IF you have Vista skip it and wait till windows 8. (or whatever they call it.)

I will say that while it doesn't run any better on my main machine. (q9550 w/ 8GB ram and a 8800gt 1GB) It runs miles better on my laptop and my fileserver. *file server is a pentium D 820 w/ 2GB of ram and HD2400* So Kudos for the lower end optimizations.

The home group feature is a long time comming and I really hope they include it in vista with the next service path.
January 14, 2009 4:39:40 AM

I don't get the point of the home groups, I never read much about them.
January 14, 2009 5:03:11 AM

Jake_Barnes said:
mitchellvii ... croc - stop this, now. No more.
:lol:  Too funny. They weren't even getting going yet.
January 14, 2009 5:06:36 AM

jkflipflop98 said:
M$FT is right, most people are stupid. And, you are right, Win7 is just Vista SP2. But it's amazing how many people that treated Vista like the anti-christ are all jumping on the Win7 bandwagon.
I'm not, although I did download the beta, just like with Vista. It's clearly Vista repackaged. They could probably have SPed it, but where's the money in that. :lol: 
January 14, 2009 8:40:50 AM

I hate to admit it, but Windows 7 is growing on me. It does have a general "smoothness" that Vista lacks. Now that I have been able to add a "quicklaunch" menu to the taskbar, I am happier, although I still think the taskbar needs to be slightly higher to accomodate the size of the icons on it.

There is all this space horizontally between icons but they are right up against the top of the taskbar vertically. It just looks "smushed". Also, I think the top edge of the taskbar needs to look more "rounded". It is too hard of an edge. Purely aesthetics, but hey, looks count.
a b $ Windows 7
January 14, 2009 10:02:15 AM

I haven't used it, I don't like the idea of running a Beta OS. AFAIK, WinFS is still MIA. Perhaps we'll get that pillar back with windows 8/9. Until they get all four pillars up and running, or DX10 makes a bigger splash, I see no reason to upgrade from XP.
a b $ Windows 7
January 14, 2009 10:35:56 AM

^ True that.
January 14, 2009 11:01:56 AM

I like how you can grab windows and resize them just by where you drag them. That is actually quite convenient. Also, I use dual monitors and the thing where you click WINDOWS + SHIFT + ARROW to have active window jump to second monitor is a nice touch.
January 14, 2009 11:53:28 AM

Can't get adobe flash player to install, but my video is sharper. This beta works much better than the last vista beta I tried. I might get win 7 just for the 64 bit version. Both my vista versions are 32 bit, but one was free with the computer and the other was only $30. The guy who sold the license and coa to me couldn't get vista to work with his business software.
January 14, 2009 1:26:53 PM

The OS fine but IE8 is a total abortion. I haven't had a single browsing session without having some kind of issue.

So far it games better than Vista, may actually be on par with XP or little faster.
January 14, 2009 1:33:54 PM

Yes,I keep having problems with IE8 just randomly locking up on me. It's weird. And then when I go to the task manager to force it to close, I see that 3 instances of IE seem to be running instead of just the one I have open.

Weird.
January 14, 2009 3:13:57 PM

Mojave II (yea you)
January 14, 2009 3:40:52 PM

It's funny, when vista came out, everyone said it sucked but I thought it worked just fine. Now that windows 7 is out (kind of) a lot of people are talking about how great it is and I really don't like it.

For me it actually boots slower than vista. And on vista I have far more things load when it comes on. So I don't know what's up with that...

And I really don't like the taskbar that much. I think it's kind of interesting and useful, but I prefer the old taskbar. I like to see all the windows I have open. And it just looks a lot more streamlined than in windows 7.

Take all this with a grain of salt though, because I haven't really used it that much at all since I've installed it, and I do realize that this is just beta. But I still don't really like windows 7 that much.

I've had no problems with vista ever, and I've been using it for about 2 years, So I'm very comfortable with it. I don't think I'll be upgrading to Windows 7, because so far there isn't anything I see in it that I really have to have.
a b $ Windows 7
January 14, 2009 4:06:26 PM

Making a "new quick launch" is easy

Make a new quick launch folder under your user folder(easy clean place for it)
Add you shortcuts to it(i was lazy and just copied them over from Vista)
Right click the taskbar and Toolbars => New Toolbar....
Select you new folder and tada. If you want to go all out hit the taskbar properties and set "Taskbar buttons" to "Never combine"
January 14, 2009 4:51:58 PM

the kernel got a lot smaller from Vista it reacts realy good on everything i throw at it till now exept problems with PB and SLI didnt have any single problem till now feels fast,feels friendly to use ye it is vista just without all of its disadvantages without green ribbon of death and etc..
still i hope the end product gona be reach with inovative technology so looking forward for it honestly.
January 14, 2009 5:31:05 PM

croc said:
The icon spacing in Vista appears closer because there is a 'hide' slider that win7 doesn't have. At least in this build. The spacing gets closer as you add more icons. I haven't filled up the taskbar yet to see what happens then, but I don't really find it unacceptable, just different.

If you want something to whinge about, try whinging about the fact that many programs install as 'system' user, and taking ownership of the top level folder seems impossible. Or that MS has once again played around with the TCPIP stack and winpcap will no longer load. Find something real to whinge about, then send in a bug report, be part of the solution.



the only problem with "being part of the solution" is that M$FT is a $Bil Co. It is their problem to fix it, not me to fix it or suggest how to fix it and then buy it.

This is not open source, not a grass root effort. If we have to suggest how to fix it, then we should be on the payroll.
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