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DELL DIMENSION 4700 & new RAM & HD5450

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December 29, 2012 9:32:33 AM

hello

I recently installed 1GB of RAM into my 4700.
I also installed Radeon 5450.
I heard this was low power consumption and the 305w CPU could handle it.

It all works fine during day or night.
But for the second morning now, when i switch on, the fan blows like a engine and the amber light solid on front panel.
I disconnected graphics card, battery, RAM, SATA cable from MOBO, CPU fan connector from MOBO, processor power connector cable from MOBO.

I should have maybe done this in steps to find problem, getting fed up doing this.
But it works after the above.

Can anyone pinpoint what it might be ?
I'm prepared to buy a new graphics card for HTPC and a little gaming ( 7750 ) and if necessary buy more powerful CPU ( I need suggestions for suitable with this DELL model) say 500w ...about.

Either this VTX 5450 isn't compatible or it needs more power despite reading it coped with 305w.
My RAM should be OK, it;s PC2-5300U, HYNIX DELL . and sitting in front slot nearest to back of PC.

thanks in advance.
December 29, 2012 3:04:12 PM

This link takes you to your service manual http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dim4700/s... under advanced trouble shooting>power lights it says this about a steady amber light on the front panel
"If the power light is steady amber, a device might be malfunctioning or incorrectly installed.
Remove and then reinstall the memory modules.
Remove and then reinstall any cards.
Remove and then reinstall the graphics card, if applicable."
That seems to be a good start.
Hope it's of some help... I'll get back to the PSU question
December 29, 2012 3:13:27 PM

C12Friedman said:
This link takes you to your service manual http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dim4700/s... under advanced trouble shooting>power lights it says this about a steady amber light on the front panel
"If the power light is steady amber, a device might be malfunctioning or incorrectly installed.
Remove and then reinstall the memory modules.
Remove and then reinstall any cards.
Remove and then reinstall the graphics card, if applicable."
That seems to be a good start.
Hope it's of some help... I'll get back to the PSU question


thanks, I decided to remove 5450 card and leave 1gb ram.
I installed the old x300SE graphics card and driver from disc i had.

Seems to have settled down for now, but I don't trust it now on start up.

Don't worry about PSU question now, I think it's better to leave it alone and if I want a game , just easier to buy xbox console.

cheers.
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December 29, 2012 3:35:34 PM

More than likely it was/is the graphics card which is not operating properly then. You can try reinstalling it - just to ensure it is fully seated and the problem can replicate itself. You're probably wondering, "why would I do that if it's working now"... I suggest that only to make sure the graphics card is faulty for RMA purposes (if purchased new)
December 29, 2012 3:44:55 PM

C12Friedman said:
More than likely it was/is the graphics card which is not operating properly then. You can try reinstalling it - just to ensure it is fully seated and the problem can replicate itself. You're probably wondering, "why would I do that if it's working now"... I suggest that only to make sure the graphics card is faulty for RMA purposes (if purchased new)


When the 5450 was in PC , i did try putting it in and out a few times,, the RAM is new. I have 2x 256mb from original set up, but leaving them out as it's mixed makes. Not sure if that's a difference.
When starting up, I got a mixture of the loud CPU fan or the beeping from RAM.

I'm selling 5450 now as I'm fed up with it.
I think it's too complicated to upgrade this system (2004) .
I think I'm lucky it's working, so quit while I'm ahead.

December 29, 2012 5:23:26 PM

blue_orpheus said:
I think it's too complicated to upgrade this system (2004) .
I think I'm lucky it's working, so quit while I'm ahead.

That is an old unit and true, there are very limited benefits to upgrades there, you can just keep running it for as long as you can...
Enjoy
December 29, 2012 5:30:54 PM

C12Friedman said:
That is an old unit and true, there are very limited benefits to upgrades there, you can just keep running it for as long as you can...
Enjoy



thanks for your input and time.

I'm actually thinking of new gaming PC instead of console now and keep this DELL for internet , emails, printing etc.
It's served me well and only had to replace a keyboard, monitor and one RAM in it's 8 years.
Used almost every day for hours.

Now, my new quest,, what gaming PC ? :cry: 

I'm don't enough to build my own.

all the best.
December 29, 2012 7:47:09 PM

If you are at all interested in building your own, there are some excellent tutorials available such as this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_56kyib-Ls - it's a year old and the parts are all outdated but all the principles apply for building - If not real interested in that then I will recommend looking at Alienware (dell's gaming division) although considered to be 'pricy' Dell does have excellent support. Another two options I like for gaming computers are CyberPowerPC and iBuyPower which both offer customized gaming computers at reasonable prices (usually quite a bit lower than Alienware)
What games are you looking to play and at what settings and resolution? That will make a difference in what I suggest...
December 29, 2012 7:57:19 PM

C12Friedman said:
If you are at all interested in building your own, there are some excellent tutorials available such as this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_56kyib-Ls - it's a year old and the parts are all outdated but all the principles apply for building - If not real interested in that then I will recommend looking at Alienware (dell's gaming division) although considered to be 'pricy' Dell does have excellent support. Another two options I like for gaming computers are CyberPowerPC and iBuyPower which both offer customized gaming computers at reasonable prices (usually quite a bit lower than Alienware)
What games are you looking to play and at what settings and resolution? That will make a difference in what I suggest...


hi,
i just wouldn't have confidence everything would click into place if I did build myself, too many things to go wrong and issues.
Yeah, I think alienware is more suited to me , but probably too pricy and also perhaps a bit more than I need.
I'll certainly have a look at the others you posted there.
I never heard of them being a total novice for games (only used friend's XBOX)
Well, I bought FIFA 12 and Call of Duty ( 2004 ) for pc use . Still wrapped.
So, that's the only 2 for starters. I don't know how much further I'd go into advanced games, maybe none.
I don't actually know which ones are advanced. :sarcastic: 
I know an XBOX would suffice, but I heard gaming is OK on pc's and the games seem to be cheaper.
I saw some gaming machines that aren't bad price , but they have 5450 , that's the card most people don't think is a gaming card or good at all. I don't get it !!!



December 29, 2012 8:24:54 PM

Look at the different BEST CONFIGURATIONS budget gaming rigs (AMD and Intel) listed on this link - that should give you an idea of parts that are available and should be considered in your choice for that budget - you don't have to build it but the parts lists these people have come up with are invaluable (IMO) http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum-31.html I will get back to this some time a little later... gotta head off to work.
Happy reading (oh, don't ge too bored with it, there are a lot of submissions, just check out a few)
December 29, 2012 8:27:44 PM

C12Friedman said:
Look at the different BEST CONFIGURATIONS budget gaming rigs (AMD and Intel) listed on this link - that should give you an idea of parts that are available and should be considered in your choice for that budget - you don't have to build it but the parts lists these people have come up with are invaluable (IMO) http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum-31.html I will get back to this some time a little later... gotta head off to work.
Happy reading (oh, don't ge too bored with it, there are a lot of submissions, just check out a few)


hi, thanks, i'll have a look.

Thanks for links, but anything in usa I can't get. :pt1cable: 
I'm in UK. :D 

I know what more or less I should have and like power, GB, etc..

enjoy your day.
December 29, 2012 10:02:39 PM

C12Friedman said:
Look at the different BEST CONFIGURATIONS budget gaming rigs (AMD and Intel) listed on this link - that should give you an idea of parts that are available and should be considered in your choice for that budget - you don't have to build it but the parts lists these people have come up with are invaluable (IMO) http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum-31.html I will get back to this some time a little later... gotta head off to work.
Happy reading (oh, don't ge too bored with it, there are a lot of submissions, just check out a few)



Yes, that was helpful.
I can say from that , the budget lower end gaming machine would be enough for my needs. I can always upgrade if I need or want later.
The ones just over $600.

Do you know any 'off the shelf' machines that would come close to that price tag / specs ?
Or give me a range or make that I should be looking at.






December 30, 2012 10:28:10 AM

C12Friedman said:
Whoohoo, Cyberpower also has a UK store http://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/
Who's $600 build and was it AMD or Intel? If you don't remember, that's okay...


i'm looking at that now - after problems all morning starting my pc AGAIN.

I never looked the contributor for the $600, just took the details down.

I found these from UK on-line.

http://www.ukgamingcomputers.co.uk/metis-custom-gaming-...

http://www.ukgamingcomputers.co.uk/hemera-custom-gaming...

http://www.computerplanet.co.uk/systems/gaming/budget-g...

I won't go over £500 possibly not even £450.

So many choices and options.
December 30, 2012 2:36:45 PM

What is VAT? And why is it soooo much, it's killing me! lol
Okay, I'm completely failing here - two options I can see to get you a decent rig
1) Start a new thread in the Systems Section http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum-31.html explaining your budget and what you want to play - the people in that section really know their stuff on different builds for different budgets - quite a few 'specialize' in 'bang-for-buck' so you should be presented with some very viable options
2) I can try and drag one or two of them into this thread for input
December 30, 2012 3:18:29 PM

C12Friedman said:
What is VAT? And why is it soooo much, it's killing me! lol
Okay, I'm completely failing here - two options I can see to get you a decent rig
1) Start a new thread in the Systems Section http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum-31.html explaining your budget and what you want to play - the people in that section really know their stuff on different builds for different budgets - quite a few 'specialize' in 'bang-for-buck' so you should be presented with some very viable options
2) I can try and drag one or two of them into this thread for input


ha ha, VAT is our tax on top of goods. Currently 20 % :ange: 
Value Added Tax. Although I don't see the value side. :D 

So, these are more pricey that the states ?

Ah, it's OK, don't worry, I'll just try and find something to suit.
It's too much to keep trying to cover every angle, whatever I get will be better than what I have now.
Looks like this one is knackered after I put that 5450 card in (Well, it's confused the hell out of it re start up). So, a gaming and PC combo is what I'll get.

There is a site here offering 'bundles' to build your own, but it's still just MOBO, graphics card.

thanks a lot for your help, it's not always anyone replies to a thread.
Have a good 2013 when it arrives.
December 30, 2012 3:54:03 PM

I think I have a viable option... the link won't work so I'll tell you only the changes from the stock configuration here http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/amd-trinity/
CPU to AMD A8-3870k
RAM to 8GB Kingston Hyper-X 1600MHz
Graphics to 1GB AMD Radeon HD7750
PSU to 450W Quiet 80 plus

Comes to 459 with VAT! Whoohoo (I get easily excited)
December 30, 2012 4:01:44 PM

??? When I checked the link, the mobo had changed... weird okay, now it's 482... I'm scared to try it again, lol
December 30, 2012 4:07:26 PM

NM... After a little research, I'm second guessing some of the choices there.... hmmm - especially the GPU - I hope you didn't want to get this yesterday...
January 2, 2013 4:18:13 PM

C12Friedman said:
NM... After a little research, I'm second guessing some of the choices there.... hmmm - especially the GPU - I hope you didn't want to get this yesterday...



hi again,
can I run this spec past you ,
it seems cheaper than buying the parts alone and building myself and comes with 3 years warranty.
£333. inc. VAT. :na: 

Intel i3 3220 3rd Generation Ivy Bridge Processor. 2 cores running at 3.3GHz .

MOTHERBOARD
Asus , don't know model.

MEMORY:
4GB DDR3 1333Mhz Memory.

PSU.
650w comes as standard fitted with case & generic.

HARD DRIVE:
500GB Serial ATA II Hard Drive. £12 extra to 1TB.

CD & DVD RE-WRITER:
DVD Read Speeds of 16x and write speeds of 22x
CD Read speeds of 48x and write speeds of 48x

GRAPHICS:
ATI Radeon 7750 1GB

SOUND:
7.1 HD CH audio

REAR PORTS:
1 x PS/2 Keyboard
1 x D-Sub
1 x DVI
4 x Ready-to-use USB 2.0
2 x Ready-to-use USB 3.0
1 x RJ-45 Port
3 x Audio Jacks.

FRONT PORTS:
2 x USB Ports
1 x Microphone Port
1 x Speaker Port

FUTURE EXPANSION:
1 x PCI Express 3.0/2.0 x16 Slot
2 x PCI Express 2.0 x 1 Slot

thanks.
January 2, 2013 4:39:55 PM

I think it'll be a viable option, you should be able to upgrade the GPU later if you desire but looks to be a sound base for a gaming machine.
Looks good, enjoy
January 6, 2013 5:07:40 AM

blue_orpheus said:
hello

I recently installed 1GB of RAM into my 4700.
I also installed Radeon 5450.
I heard this was low power consumption and the 305w CPU could handle it.

It all works fine during day or night.
But for the second morning now, when i switch on, the fan blows like a engine and the amber light solid on front panel.
I disconnected graphics card, battery, RAM, SATA cable from MOBO, CPU fan connector from MOBO, processor power connector cable from MOBO.

I should have maybe done this in steps to find problem, getting fed up doing this.
But it works after the above.

Can anyone pinpoint what it might be ?
I'm prepared to buy a new graphics card for HTPC and a little gaming ( 7750 ) and if necessary buy more powerful CPU ( I need suggestions for suitable with this DELL model) say 500w ...about.

Either this VTX 5450 isn't compatible or it needs more power despite reading it coped with 305w.
My RAM should be OK, it;s PC2-5300U, HYNIX DELL . and sitting in front slot nearest to back of PC.

thanks in advance.



You need at least 2gb of ram to run the 5450 in your 4700.
You can max your memory at 4gb, running at 800mhz (pc6400u),making sure all 4 - 1gb sticks are exactly the same speed & brand. The only thing that will kill you in the end is the single core processor.
This is what i did to my old Dell 4700 dinosaur.
Came with 512mb 400mhz ram - Now has 4gb 667mhz.
Came with 3.4ghz 32bit cpu - Now has 3.8ghz 64bit. (maxed)
Came with no Graphics card - Then went to ati 5450 & now has ati 6670.
All this was being run by the original 305w psu without a hitch.
Upgraded the audio & installed a creative sound blaster titanium xfi sound card ,but before i put it in, i thought i better upgrade the psu incase the motherboard decides to melt. Psu 305w to 850w.
Just over $200 later ,all courtesy of ebay & leaving out the 5450 card, as this was a mistake to buy for gaming.
All parts were bought brand new except ram & cpu. Vista ultimate 64bit runs nice & smooth. (came with xp)
All this was to prove to a friend that the 4700 is not rubbish, but a great first pc for a student, if i was to sell it.
Just had to upgrade the bios from A7 to A10 on the Dell website before i did anything.
This pc plays the latest games, including Skyrim & fallout 3 on maxed settings. (smoother on high settings, but thats the video card.)
Next upgrade - ati 7870 2gb ddr5.
!