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June 11, 2003 7:28:57 AM

Ok when Intel xeon comes out with 4ghz I m guessing opteron will come out with a higher power cpu. Now when will this happen. And can this run reg software. I know this will be a high price computer.

Looking for a dual Opteron cpu and a good video card what running good at the time. And a good sound card which I can get right now. And two 250 gig or two 300 gig hard drives. And 2gb of ram. Then I m going to network the two computers togetther. My old amd 1800 1.5gb of ram gf3 ti 500 and 160 gig of hard and two 80 gig of hard drives then I can save software to this computer so if something happens to the main computer I still have it.

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June 11, 2003 5:06:03 PM

The problem with Opteron boards is that they dont support AGP at their current state.

I really dont understand anything that you said in your post except its going to be a file server of some sort.

Mike
June 11, 2003 5:39:08 PM

Ehum, but what is your post about? Are you trying to tell something or are you looking for advice?

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June 12, 2003 1:21:03 AM

That's one of the most confusing posts I've ever seen (up there with that one guy who keeps asking when DVD games are coming out on the PC so he can play higher-performance DVD games like with consoles instead of CD Rom games). Is the Opteron back compatible with 32 bit apps? Yes. I'm not sure why you asked about a good graphics card and sound card though. Do you want to do a little gaming? A lot of gaming? Umm, then you'd be better off with a Pentium or Athlon. But the big hard drives and RAM make it look like a server. Actually it looks like you just picked all the parts with the biggest numbers and threw them all together. Are you trying to put a server together that can also be used for gaming? What the bloody hell is this beast going to be doing?
June 12, 2003 2:16:03 AM

well put it this way I run PC Intel or Amd dont cut it. They run 100% and 1.3gb of ram out of 1.5gb of ram. And the computer still seems to run Slow. So I was going to Hit Amd Or Xeon. Around 4ghz when they hit that mark. And I m guessing Amd in 12 to 15 Months will get a Agp Port. or the newer verson of the video card. And I will be rewirting the software so it will corp the dual cpu. So it will help in the speed. No its not for games. Its more Its more to help me on Detail Lazer Glass work.
June 12, 2003 3:41:49 AM

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They run 100% and 1.3gb of ram out of 1.5gb of ram. And the computer still seems to run Slow.

What setup is so slow? And what kind of software were you using? Something you programmed yourself, if I got it right... Research-related? What is it? What compiler were you using? Maybe you can go dual Xeon and compile with an Intel compiler... that's a reasonably safe way to (1) spend money (2) get a rock-solid workstation. You can get something like the <A HREF="http://www.supermicro.com/PRODUCT/MotherBoards/E7505/X5..." target="_new">Supermicro X5DA8</A> and go all the way up to 12GB of RAM. You get 8x AGP, dual-channel memory controller, Ultra320 SCSI if you <i>really</i> need it... well, E7505 is a good chipset. Dual Xeons at the 2.6-2.8 range will perform well, and have HT if you use multithreaded programs... It might be overkill and it might also be very expensive...

But, well, this is a good workstation configuration. I still am not sure if that's what you need...
June 12, 2003 10:58:07 PM

And once again Mephistopheles is out there, spreading the words of Intel : )
June 13, 2003 12:17:11 AM

And once again Bosse is out there, spreading incredible nonsense :evil: 
June 13, 2003 12:45:50 AM

And once again I'm here to slap everyone. *slap*


All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening.
June 13, 2003 1:08:30 AM

And once again I'm here to......uh......i am here beacuse.......umm.....



I don't know why I'm here
June 13, 2003 2:51:43 AM

You're here just to wonder what exactly your purpose here is...

Why are we all out here?
It's the matrix... we need a purpose, or our very existance will be devoid of meaning... :eek: 

Hm... See? Bosse has infected me with his nonsense! :eek: 
June 13, 2003 9:29:47 AM

hehe
June 14, 2003 1:16:39 AM

Well if you talk with your Head not from your Rear you Understand what I use this Hardware for. Mephistopheles. Fact is a Intel or Amd home computer not going to do what I want it to. And I seen the reviews on the opteron computers they done alot better then Xeons and it was on about 15 websites. I been to a shop that had both Xeon and Amd opteron run next to each other and had my software and hardware installed on both systems So take you Intel better crap and shove it. Each chip Stranths And Weakness. Right now Intel weakness is there 64/32 Bit Tech There is None. So Learn the Facts before you talk
Mephistopheles or go back to tech school.

I told you before it mainly for Laser cut glass work. The Time use 100% of the cpu and 1.3gb of ram. What I m doing is rewriting the software to run two cpu. And to run at 64bit. So the machine should run Faster 40 lazers two cpu taking half of each useing half of the ram each. See where One cpu can be overloaded.
June 14, 2003 11:13:19 AM

No no hes boasting that he has access to the bastard child x86-64. Him and his 0 peices of real world software that currently supports it correctly are going to have a gay old time.

Just buy a Itainium they are much faster clock for clock than the Opteron anyways.

-Jeremy

:evil:  <A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5341387" target="_new">Busting Sh@t Up!!!</A> :evil: 
:evil:  <A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm=1060900" target="_new">Busting More Sh@t Up!!!</A> :evil: 
June 14, 2003 1:38:06 PM

“Bastard child x86-64” – “0 pieces of real world software”!
That’s the best description of our current bass ackwards, byte-swappin, double flip-flopin, little endian X86 architecture trying to go 64bit I’ve ever heard…
That’s good! and why I read THG…
June 14, 2003 3:23:47 PM

Youre confusing opteron with Itanium there
June 14, 2003 10:19:10 PM

So when you said: “I run PC Intel or Amd dont cut it” and “Detail Lazer Glass work” was that some sort of work related inner shop pun with a fist full of typos and bad punctuation?

Really now, I been in the CNC industry for a while and have no freaking idea what you are talking about. Are you telling us that you have a set-up in that the machine if posed with a duel processor will in fact multi task cutting tools that it won’t do with a single proc. On top of that the machine jointly utilizes 32 and 64-bit programming. If that is so……I CALL BS!!! Not to speak of the fact that most of your CNC mills come with a computer built in to them and few are up gradeable. Also that a lazer will cut faster/hotter with a better proc. Try again some time.

My thought, this is one of these guys that shows up every other day or so wanting us to rate his new system or idea built with the latest and greatest parts barring any reasonable cost or reason, just to get a rise out of the regulars in this forum. It seems to me that we may need to come up with a name for these people.
June 14, 2003 11:53:22 PM

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Well if you talk with your Head not from your Rear you Understand what I use this Hardware for. (...) Right now Intel weakness is there 64/32 Bit Tech There is None. So Learn the Facts before you talk

Hm... Hey! I think that was an insult! :smile:

OK, I <i>was</i> going to reply seriously, but I read the other posts and, well... Not many people understand you, AtolSammeek... no, wait, actually, noone in this forum really got your point. :lol: 

I think I might just try it again, quite politely. You work with those thingies called <i>LASERS</i> (as in <b>L</b>ight <b>A</b>mplification by <b><font color=red>S</font color=red></b>timuladed <b>E</b>mission of <b>R</b>adiation, mind you, with an "S") and you use them to cut glass in some sort of precise fashion. As I understand it, you need speed and precision, but are currently using a single, slow 32-bit-whatever CPU and want to go overkill on your problem by converting whatever controller program you have there to 64-bit and running it on a gazillion 64-bit CPUs with several Terabytes of memory, right? One question, though: why do you require "64/32 Bit Tech" then, if you can port it to 64-bit so readily? Will you be doing other things on that computer or what? I do know that Opteron has strengths, by the way. And about you going to a shop and running AMD Opteron setups next to Intel Xeon setups (whatever those setups were, you didn't even bother telling us their configurations... also, did you port your code to x86-64?)... well... Good for you, what are we supposed to do? Every time we try to help you, you're dismissive as hell. What are you even doing in this forum?

One more thing I don't understand... Your laser cutting activities are limited by the CPU power of the controlling computer instead of by the physical devices that do the cutting? I don't get it! I'd have guessed it would be the other way around...

Anyway, I've searched for a question of yours to answer, but I found only insults. And I've been very respectful of you... so far. But, hey, logical conclusion: :evil: 

Why don't <i>you</i> go back to english school, learn to express yourself clearly and respectfully (for THAT, you would not even have to speak good english!), and then come back to us later? It's impossible to understand your writing! Plus, even when I do understand your writing, I can't make out your thinking!

<i>Ouch, I tried to keep my temper, but didn't really succeed... how very unreasonable of me! :eek:  </i>
June 14, 2003 11:58:23 PM

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It seems to me that we may need to come up with a name for these people.

Oooh, I <i>like</i> that idea... how's "sexually disabled, intellectually-impaired humanlike creature" for starters? Too long, I know... what about "Bosse clone"? Oh, man, can't come up with creative names... what a pity... :frown:
June 15, 2003 12:05:14 AM

My guess is that he is running a plc interface directly through some type of dual proccessor setup, but is having problems with image quality due to pci video, and his production output is less than optimal because the amount of load he has on processor. Maybe what he needs is a setup like they use in graphics design where they have mutiple computers that are single tasking. Personally I wouldn't mind a gander at the robotics but I'm guessing Italy or Poland and wont be that way anytime soon.
Oh ya the nforce 3 opteron boards are suposed to have agp, hope that helps you out. Hey it's a real world work aplication for a pc, what an idea!!!
June 15, 2003 6:39:23 AM

they have there pros and cons the Itanium. They only run 64 bit. I would like to have both. 64/32 bit. Thanks but no thanks
June 15, 2003 6:49:29 AM

One machine your right 40 machines doing differnt things Your Wrong. Right now 25 Machines run. On one computer.
June 15, 2003 7:13:12 AM

wow weirdest thread ever !!!

64 doesn't mean more spead btw.
June 15, 2003 7:50:32 AM

One question when we all move to 64 bit are we going back to 32 bit. Its like asking are we going from 32 bit back to 16 bit? No. Thing is we will use 32 bit for a long while. Like we will still use Tapes for another 5 years and VHS another few Years while DVD taking over. Records the only thing there good now is to hold on to them for they can be worth some money. Some of mine are Worth over $300.

And How you use 64/32 bit and dual cpu its alot faster then one cpu. One thing Amd Not making another 3400+ and the 3200 was not very good to the intel 3.06 cpu. There More into the 64 bit chips. And I'm Into 4ghz Range which would be around 15 to 20 Months from now. I know amd dont use ghz but damit Intel and amd need some type of speed Guage. for ghz is False.
June 15, 2003 10:15:11 AM

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Thing is we will use 32 bit for a long while. Like we will still use Tapes for another 5 years and VHS another few Years while DVD taking over. Records the only thing there good now is to hold on to them for they can be worth some money. Some of mine are Worth over $300.

So what your saying is that my 286 proc is going to make me allot of money some day eh?.... Hmmm

Kidding around aside...its time to know where your from. I(as well as a great multitude)am guessing outside the US. *Durrr*. This could be why you are so off on the Intel road map. 4ghz is not 15 to 20 months out. It’s more like 8. Unless you are from one of those countries that the US says that you don’t get our latest and greatest toys. 20 months form now we’ll be talking about the Nehalem core and the 10ghz barrier.

If so, one solid fact remains, 64-bit procs only help you if your software will utilize them. Question: Dose the laser mill utilize 64-bit programming? Most likely not. So then why even worry about it. Are you really going to take this system off line/unplug it from your 40 machines *he says with a raised eyebrow* for some personal use? What a waste of a workhorse,time and money. If you want a 32/64-bit PC, great, go and do what the rest of the AMD fan boys are doing right now, prey that AMD would get Athlon64 working and release it some day soon. As for you work system, I'd call IBM personally. They’d fix you up with a beast of a workstation probably a quad Xeon or something. Just guessing. Have a friend that used to work for big blue and build systems for just that sort of thing. Ok not your sort of thing, it still sounds quite odd.
June 15, 2003 1:07:15 PM

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One question when we all move to 64 bit are we going back to 32 bit.

Why would you need 32-bit backward compatibility on your processors, then, if their only purpose is to control those 40 cutting machines with a program written in 32 bit (or 64, if you have already ported it)?

I think flashpan already asked that, but I just <i>had</i> to ask it myself. Again.

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for ghz is False.

Sorry, but gigahertz is as false as Celsius or Fahrenheit. It's a direct measure and it <i>does NOT</i> "lie" - you're probably saying that just because clock rates don't contain any relevant information regarding the processors' IPC, that's all. So take it easy! Ghz isn't false.
June 15, 2003 1:22:37 PM

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Looking for a dual Opteron cpu and a good video card what running good at the time. And a good sound card which I can get right now. And two 250 gig or two 300 gig hard drives. And 2gb of ram. Then I m going to network the two computers togetther. My old amd 1800 1.5gb of ram gf3 ti 500 and 160 gig of hard and two 80 gig of hard drives then I can save software to this computer so if something happens to the main computer I still have it.

You're using a single, palomino-cored AXP with 1.5GB RAM and two 80GB hard drives? And you don't recognize that this configuration is very poor for a power user like yourself? What was wrong with my suggestion of Xeons? BTW, a 3.0Ghz P4 with 800Mhz FSB will make your old computer look very slow, and you can already put several SATA drives on RAID and use up to 4GB RAM. And anyway, you seem to be waiting for like 15-20 months from now to upgrade? Why are you bothering now? By then, lots of new techs will be out.

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Ok when Intel xeon comes out with 4ghz I m guessing opteron will come out with a higher power cpu. Now when will this happen. And can this run reg software. I know this will be a high price computer.

OK, you <i>really</i> want AMD and will despise all Intel suggestions, right? Did you even bother looking at your question? "When Xeon is powerful, I won't buy it, I want to know what I can get from AMD by then, 20 months from now" Too far-fetched for me...
June 15, 2003 4:54:28 PM

*slap*!

All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening.
June 15, 2003 5:01:06 PM

You're an idiot.Looking at your posts i feel sorry for the guys who actually tried to understand the crap you were saying.



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