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How do I "Officially" know what F-14 I have

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Anonymous
July 11, 2005 3:01:13 AM

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I got this F-14 recently that's in pretty bad shape. Missing some
boards and stuff like that. It doesn't have any of the score displays.


I need either:
http://www.marcospecialties.com/MODERN/Itemdesc.asp?Car...{4137CFBB-35E8-4E22-A39B-C77DC0538078}&ic=10011&eq=&Tp=

or

http://www.marcospecialties.com/MODERN/Itemdesc.asp?Car...{4137CFBB-35E8-4E22-A39B-C77DC0538078}&ic=10009&eq=&Tp=

I've done a bunch of reading and I have SOME things that tell me it's
an early one, and some stuff that says it's newer.

I don't have a PCB under the PF. I have white lights at the back wall.
but I have the more pearl center/white dome on top. I have kill Alpha
Bravo Charlie etc on the lights above the flippers.

Does anyone know if I get the SN? it says on maco's web site to check
the board you're replacing....it's not there! :) 

Thanks in advance,
Allroy

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Anonymous
July 11, 2005 10:37:08 AM

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Anyone?
Anonymous
July 11, 2005 10:43:09 AM

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>Anyone?

Time to take some measurements and pics of the game and display area.
We can compare our machines and go from there. I don't think you have
enough info to be 100% sure you have an early production.

Kirb
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Anonymous
July 11, 2005 11:05:11 AM

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Any System 11 boards (except C) should work. I'm sure you read all the
sample/proto diffs already, right? Mine was early, maybe sample, maybe
not. It had all bayonet sockets under the playfield, white backboard
flashers, white center dome and all flashers under the top plastic
(although the wiring was snipped and taped by an operator)
If yours has twist wedge base lamp sockets it's for sure a later
production game. All other things could have been easily swapped during
it's lifetime. The lamps sockets are not a simple swap so those are the
quickest way to make some sort of judgement.

Cliffy
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Anonymous
July 11, 2005 11:14:27 AM

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>Any System 11 boards (except C) should work

I think he is looking for display boards and (I guess) the early F-14
is different.

The mounting post locations should be a dead giveaway, right? Not sure
why PINLED would make one single board for early F-14's with such a
small chance of a market for them.

Kirb
Anonymous
July 11, 2005 12:21:11 PM

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I'm sure Marco would do an exchange if you got the wrong one, they're
pretty stand up along those lines.

zTim
Anonymous
July 11, 2005 1:44:46 PM

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yes, I called him today and he said he would. I'd just rather not go
through the trouble of all that shipping if I don't have to.

I've got some pics, I'll throw them up on a web site in a little bit.

Thanks guys.
Anonymous
July 11, 2005 1:56:43 PM

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actually, now that I'm thinking about it...what does the score board
connect to? just the MPU right? so ....is the playfield etc as
important as what kind of MPU I have? it's just a score display...it
doesn't interact directly with the playfield does it? Sorry if these
are stupid questions....

Allroy
Anonymous
July 11, 2005 1:58:55 PM

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It sounds to me as though the playfield could have been swapped with an
early proto, but the backbox may be a later production (based on the
pearl vs. clear center beacon). I have a proto machine and will watch
this post, in case you need measurements. Marco's customer service is
top-notch, so I wouldn't sweat it too much.
-Gregg B
Anonymous
July 11, 2005 3:01:29 PM

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>actually, now that I'm thinking about it...what does the score board
>connect to? just the MPU right?

The display needs power and a data line. Most of that is in the back
box.

>so ....is the playfield etc as important as what kind of MPU I have? it's just a score display...it
>doesn't interact directly with the playfield does it?

Interacting with the playfield it does not. The early production may
indicate they were trying a new display board and decided to go with
the production model for whatever reason. Measure the mounting studs,
look at the connectors, and let us know.

Kirb
Anonymous
July 11, 2005 3:52:12 PM

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Oh oh oh, my bad. When I read it as "missing boards and stuff like
that" I assumed thats what he meant and didn't see he's missing just
the display boards :) 
Thanks for the correction, kirb!

Cliffy
A passion for pinball!
www.passionforpinball.com
Anonymous
July 12, 2005 1:03:15 AM

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Millionaire is the only game with a credit display under the 4 main displays
AND a single board instead of the seperate displays,

F-14 used exactly the same setup as far as the display panel but they pulled
out the 5th glass when they added the credits display in software to the
numberic displays.

So Millionaire and F-14 are the only 2 machines to use this config with the
F-14s having the 5th display not installed but the same board pinLED notes
this with their original WMS PN's for the displays.

Later in the F-14 run they removed the bottom 3rd of the PCB since they were
never going to put the 5th display back.

Diane





"kirb" <kirbseepe@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1121091267.743220.194580@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >Any System 11 boards (except C) should work
>
> I think he is looking for display boards and (I guess) the early F-14
> is different.
>
> The mounting post locations should be a dead giveaway, right? Not sure
> why PINLED would make one single board for early F-14's with such a
> small chance of a market for them.
>
> Kirb
>
Anonymous
July 12, 2005 11:35:36 AM

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If you're referring to the display panel (which I can't tell because you
didn't quote) then the answer is that I have no idea, your pix don't show
the one thing that we need to help with that decision.

You need a picture of the back side of the display panel showing the cutout,
pretty sure all F-14's can take the small display, and only units with the
proper wood cutout can take the big panel.

Diane

"Allroy1975_@_yahoo.com" <mathewtdavis@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1121138378.705711.55830@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> does that mean that either will work?
>
> Here are some pics of my machine:
>
> http://www.pac-mat.com/images/F-14/
>
> Thanks...
> Allroy
>
Anonymous
July 13, 2005 1:26:43 AM

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tyvm..

You need the small display panel for the F-14
http://www.pinled.com/pinledeng/html/produkte.php

From the PinLED 10009 description "F14 TomCat, Fire, Space Station, Big
Guns, Cyclone, Sword of Fury, Time Machine, Secret Service, Torpedo Alley,
Playboy 35th Anniversary (board size 350x180mm)"

PinLED 10011 is the one you don't want, your display panel isn't cut out low
enough for it.

Diane


"Allroy1975_@_yahoo.com" <mathewtdavis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> okay, 2 new pictures of the backbox etc...
>
> http://www.pac-mat.com/images/ F-14/
>
> Allroy
>
Anonymous
July 13, 2005 8:21:12 AM

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TYVM!!!!

:) 

Allroy
!