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July 17, 2003 9:33:51 PM

I wanna wipe my HD clean and start with a fresh install of Win XP and I've got a few questions.

1. Should I format with NTFS or Fat32? What are the advantages of each?

2. I have the upgrade version of XP, do I need to install another version of Windows first or will it let me just insert the previous version's CD for confirmation sake and then continue the install?

3. Will I be able to re-activate XP after I'm done or will it see be seen as pirated software even though it's not?



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July 17, 2003 10:03:57 PM

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1. Should I format with NTFS or Fat32? What are the advantages of each?

Unless you run only very old DOS programs, I don't believe there's any purpose at all with FAT32.
NTFS is better in all ways if I'm enough well-informed. It offers support for bigger harddrives, it's faster, it's more secure, and lots more. My strong suggestion is you go with NTFS, exclusively. I'd want no trace of FAT32 at my hard drive.

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2. I have the upgrade version of XP, do I need to install another version of Windows first or will it let me just insert the previous version's CD for confirmation sake and then continue the install?

Yes, you will have to first install the version of Windows that you're upgrading from, and after that, you can install Windows XP.

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3. Will I be able to re-activate XP after I'm done or will it see be seen as pirated software even though it's not?

Your CD will definitely NOT be seen as pirated software. Not in any case at all.
All you will have to do is to try to activate Windows via the internet. If that doesn't work, you can call Microsoft at a completely free number, and tell them the code that's displayed on the screen. After you've done that, they'll tell you the code you should put in and where you should put it. Just follow the instruction and you should be done! I've re-activated via phone probably up to 8 times, so I know it'll work. Just as long as you have a legitimate OEM/Upgrade or Retail copy of Win XP Home or Professional.


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July 17, 2003 10:11:33 PM

When you wipe your HD, you might want to use a utility disk from the manufacturer and do a Zero-Fill format. WHat this does is write your HD with Zeros, completly erasing all partitions and data, as well as formating the boot sector.


You would only need to format with FAT32 if you have more than one computer, and the other machine has WIN98, 98SE, or ME. These OS don't support NTFS. If you want to do file sharing, you'll need FAT32. If this is the case, partition part of the drive NTFS and part FAT32, and install XP on the NTFS partition.

Other than that, NTFS all the way... :smile:


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July 17, 2003 10:20:45 PM

if your hard drive is less than 22gb fat32...if it is bigger than 22gb ntfs. I personally perfer fat32 b/c it has dos support...but then again...thats just me.

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July 17, 2003 10:26:12 PM

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if your hard drive is less than 22gb fat32...if it is bigger than 22gb ntfs.


Not sure what you mean here.

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I personally perfer fat32 b/c it has dos support...but then again...thats just me.



Hence why I mentioned DOS in my reply :wink:
Actually practically all my old dos games and programs work in WinXP with NTFS, so I just don't see any purpose with FAT32, at least not for myself.



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July 17, 2003 10:26:51 PM

Thank's sabbath1.

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Yes, you will have to first install the version of Windows that you're upgrading from, and after that, you can install Windows XP.

Years ago, I was installing Win95 with an upgrade version on a friends computer. In this case it ask me to insert the disk for a previous version of windows for confirmation. It did not install that version, just continued the 95 install. Too bad things have changed. That will making the install twice as long.



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July 17, 2003 10:46:44 PM

Hey, try to install your Win XP upgrade first before anything else, and see what happens. Maybe I was wrong, if my memory serves me, you have to install your older Windows first, but maybe I remember it all wrong. Try your upgrade CD first and see what happens.

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July 18, 2003 5:30:50 PM

Yeah, try the XP upgrade first. I'm 99% sure that I installed the upgrade version on a computer I built for a guy a about a year ago, without installing another version first. I believe it just says something like "Setup failed to find an upgradable product. Please input the registration code of a previous version to continue." I could be wrong, but I don't think so.......
July 18, 2003 5:38:20 PM

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if your hard drive is less than 22gb fat32...if it is bigger than 22gb ntfs.


Not sure what you mean here.

You get no benifit (speed wise) from upgrading to ntfs from fat32 if your hard drive is less than 22gb...so IMO if ya got a small hard drive go for fat32. Its not like many home users actually use any of the features that NTFS has to offer.

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July 18, 2003 8:46:36 PM

FAT32 is usually faster than NTFS, but NTFS is more secure and support larger drives.

If you´re planing to share with other people who are using FAT32 systems, you´ll also need FAT32 to let them see your files. FAT32 drives cannot read NTFS.
July 18, 2003 9:14:45 PM

So here's what happened. I booted up on the XP CD and it was able to see I already had a copy of XP installed. From there it let me repartition my drive and format with NTFS. So in the end, I was able to completely nuke my drive and install a clean version of XP using the upgrade version. That was fun! :smile:

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July 18, 2003 9:17:40 PM

like i said earlier fat32 is only faster on smaller drives...NTFS starts to reallt shine when hard drives start getting BIG...i do agree that NTFS is more secure however.

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July 18, 2003 9:23:32 PM

I installed XP upgrade without fully installing 98 - Upgrade XP will, at a point, stop and ask you to insert the older OS CD (just to verify that you qualify to upgrade - M$ police!), then you'll be told to remove the old CD, reinsert the XP CD and go.

I've been told it's actually worse to fully install an older OS prior to XP.

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July 18, 2003 9:34:36 PM

it can cause software incompatabilities...for example...going from 98/me to xp/2000 can cause nightmares if you have norton anti-virus installed.

I think a fresh install is your best bet

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July 18, 2003 9:37:47 PM

Agreed.


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July 19, 2003 5:24:42 AM

I still think the only advantage of NTFS is security/encryption.
July 19, 2003 5:27:47 AM

with big hard drives you will want ntfs...it is faster than fat32 (in regaurds to large drives) in fact as the size of a fat32 hard drive increases so does the inneficiency of its file system...

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July 25, 2003 6:49:44 PM

Glad to hear it all worked without a hitch :smile:

I finally was able to activate my license today, after several server problems on Microsofts behalf. Every time I want to reactivate Windows, I have to first use my telephone to type in the numbers, and after that, they'll tell me that my code could not be activated. I'll always have to activate Windows at the live helpdesk. Thus I wonder why it's a must to type down the numbers first, when it never can be verified anyways. Stupid idea, hope they remove it soon.


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July 25, 2003 6:54:33 PM

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FAT32 is usually faster than NTFS, but NTFS is more secure and support larger drives.


FAT32 faster? That's not what I've been told...where did you read that? Even if that's true, the difference is minimal at best. NTFS sure offers far more other benefits than what FAT32 can offer.

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If you´re planing to share with other people who are using FAT32 systems, you´ll also need FAT32 to let them see your files. FAT32 drives cannot read NTFS.


That's probably true I guess, I don't have a clue so I can't agree nor disagree. But, it's the easiest thing in the world for everyone to format to NTFS file system, thus that can't in my mind, be a "selling" factor for FAT32.


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July 25, 2003 6:57:41 PM

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You get no benifit (speed wise) from upgrading to ntfs from fat32 if your hard drive is less than 22gb


Nah, but you get NTFS stability and security, amongs any things.

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Its not like many home users actually use any of the features that NTFS has to offer.


I certainly do. I need the extra stability, and disk size offered by NTFS. But that's my needs.

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July 27, 2003 11:28:12 PM

maybe you do...but IMO having dos support is very valuable...especially if you are a heavy windows tweaker...

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July 28, 2003 9:05:02 AM

I don't even know why people claim NTFS don't support DOS? I can run almost all old DOS games and programs at my system. So to me, FAT32 is a joke of the past.

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July 28, 2003 9:58:45 AM

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. But, it's the easiest thing in the world for everyone to format to NTFS file system

Not if one or more PCs on your home network are running Win98SE.... then it's another fistful of $$$ to get upgrades to 2000/XP. Just a small point that seems to have been overlooked here. :smile:

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July 28, 2003 10:15:01 AM

Maybe. But those companies and home networks get more benefits from upgrading from that buggier old OS. Sure it costs money, but it could be worth it in the end, depending on what needs you have. To me, Win XP and NTFS is all there is.

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