Prescott overheating

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10612

reports that the prescott is way over its thermal ratings at this stage. sucking up 100 watts

could tie in to all the prescott rumours with current boards

it was said the swtich to .90 was not easy... signs are starting to point to DELAY!

u sound like a standard run of the mill INTELLIOT

be gone

popegoldX, what is the matter with you? My god, you are way stressed out! Take it easy, poopy...

You know, AMD is not you. It's not your business. It's not your family's business. You're a computer user, not related to AMD or Intel... If prescott has trouble, that doesn't mean you should be glad. It means you'll have less choices when upgrading your computer next time. Same thing goes with Athlon 64 and x86-64. So stop insulting people just because you so desperately want Intel to crumble and AMD to triumph... Take it easy...

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didnt some dude claim on here that INTEL hits on 98% of its roadmaps

why didnt u jump on him.... i just post a link

LOL

Popegoldx, you shouldn't try so hard you'll get a brain tumor man. Intel oWnZ you, don't be denial just let it go man.

At my peril? What the hell do you mean now? I have nothing to do with this story... I'm in no danger, thanks.

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Hahahaha. That was funny. "Ignore it at your perile" Haahahaha, I hadn't had a good laugh today until now. Did you look that up in mommy's thesaurus? Don't use big words when you don't know what they mean.

Ooo, ooo, a forum fight... I've never been in one... I'm usually the peaceful, quiet, thinking-kind of guy... So poopy, "peace out", OK? (in lack a better expression...)

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In this case there almost no improvement over 0.13.

A 3.06 was draining also 100 watt.

I dont like french test

your a closet intelliot

i seen your kind b4....

anytime there is anything negative about AMD... you never dispute it.... anything neagative about INTEL and u up in arms.

your an INTELLIOT.... whether you like it or not

it doesnt concern you that the prescott is way over spec in power draw? u dont think that could be a problem. You dont think there is any tie in to the motherboard compatibility concerns?

or is it only a believable problem if its AMD.

i posted a story that makes PRESCOTT looke like its having problems... and i get attacked by 10 people.

figure that out....

it this was about AMD... your wouldnt say [-peep-]...

Intel still has three months to get things ironed out. Will it matter if they are two weeks late.

even if it drain 100 watt that wont be worse that actual P4 so the new cpu still can be release but with much lesser headroom like original T-bred after a new stepping trouble been "solve" also might not be true wich can happen or the source was speaking of high clock speed will a 4 GHZ drain 100 watt wich in any case is too high.

Normaly Nw was about 15 watt lower that Willi at the same clock speed but having only about 25% more transistor.Presscott run at the same watt but have twice as much transistor compare to NW and cosumation mesure was at what clock speed.As prescoot seen now to start at 3.4 but also having a 3.6 at release.

It will like to have more information i will not be surprise if that at release those figure are not found and be only false rumor.Cuz at any case just with shrink of node they should be able to have lower consumation but with the rest of the others improvement they should go even lower or few or a part goes wrong.

I dont like french test

OK popegoldX, let me get this cleared out: I did not insult you at all. What I said was that you needed to chill out, because to me, it sounded as if you're having pleasure about Intel having troubles with prescott. Of course, what you said was not a problem. It was the way you said it:

You liked that, didn't you?... Your first reaction to someone who noticed your attitude was to call him/her an intelliot. And I will say this only once, popegoldx: stop saying you've been watching me and I'm an Intelliot. It is a childish way to express a pointless judgment of yours, and it is very insulting. Much more, in fact, than saying you need to take it easy - like I did.

*OK, no more waste of time*

Actually, anyway, prescott exceeding 100W is a big problem indeed. It is actually a trend to go up on heat output - remember, some 15 years or so back in time, all processors just needed passive cooling. Hell, even VIA's processors now require cooling... The problem with 100+W heat dissipation is that the cooling is very cumbersome and expensive. Madison, for instance, generates well over 100W of heat. Anyway, engineers are now fighting with physical limits to what they're doing and to the guidelines they're using... Increasing transistor counts and increasing clock rates tremendously impacts heat output. I can only think about what the companies involved will do... If indeed prescott is over 100W at 3.4Ghz, then chances are they will not be able to reach their alledged goal of 5Ghz with this core. With current cooling solutions, they might not even get past 4Ghz with ease...

If this is not a rumor, then there is a problem... Maybe they can iron it out, but it would be hard to do so... Maybe we'll see the dawn of a better cooling solution... Well, it's in their interest to figure it out. Opteron itself is limited by thermal dissipation, as I understand it - and it is brand new tech, which is worrisome. Reports are out of people who were able to OC Opteron to 2.2Ghz on ln2, a rather extreme cooling method. This makes me think that - although I have no confirmation on this - the current A64/Opteron core will have troubles in reaching clock frequencies considerably above 2Ghz...

Anyway, in those matters, it might be a better alternative to sit quietly and wait for time to pass. Maybe it's just a rumor, maybe it's a true problem... but it is not our problem, as long as we don't buy a CPU with insufficient cooling and heat problems.

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<i>(he is, isn't he? for some reason, this guy is terribly agressive... I don't quite know why he's so anxious... He needs to calm down.)</i>

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Yes...i agree...the inquirer should not be used as a primary source of info...they give you a heads up...but do i beleive every little thing that they say/speculate...no. I think that we are forgetting that both of these cpus are breaking new ground...so it may take a little time to get everything ironed out...think of it this way the first AXP cpus could not overclock for $hit...now look at them now...they are one of the best overclocking cpus out...we just need to sit on our hands for a while...and not kill eachother with our speculation...

That being said...immagine the day when cpus ship with pelts and water cooling kits...it will happen some day...

There is no smell better than fried silicon

You're right. *Mephistopheles sits on own hands*

Yes, CPUs are heating up as years go by. If we all had water cooling kits, we could all use faster computers...

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spud, spud, spud... I guess I had that coming...

Anyway, it wasn't my idea. it was pIII_man's idea! Talk to him about that...

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Thats right. Thats why I'm not losing any sleep on what's going on with Prescott. I do not work for Intel. Their people can lose sleep over it.

350 Watts? I don't think so, that's way too much. I'd expect something the likes of 115±15W or so, but not much more. I think I actually read that somewhere, can't recall where though. Certainly nowhere near 350W. 350Watts on a CPU die would inevitably burn the thing up, I guess...

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Studies at Ace's have shown that heat is really <i>not</i> the problem. Their tests had the fastest Opteron drawing something like 60W at peak, rather less than current Athlons at typical. Plus, Opteron has quite a bit larger core surface area to dissipate heat.

I'm thinking the Opteron needs a stepping rework. Remember, Athlon on .18u didn't really reach its full potential until Palomino. Same for Athlon on .13u--it didn't get full potential until TBred-B. Fortunately, AMD seems to use the first-run production chips in places where high MHz and OC'ability aren't so critical--i.e. servers and laptops. I imagine that's what's happening with Opteron getting intro'd first, and Athlon64 coming later.

<i>I can love my fellow man...but I'm damned if I'll love yours.</i>

Yes, I saw that thing about Opteron's heat dissipation - I checked later, only <i>after</i> I posted. It looks great!

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