Samsung to beat Intel on CPU

Read <A HREF="http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2137941,00.html" target="_new"> this </A>. Shame Samsung isn´t more interested in making desktop CPU´s and chipsets, but I guess they´ll make much more money in the handheld industri.

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  1. Nice... These handhelds keep reminding me of Star Trek and the touchpads they use...

    Anyway, what the hell is wrong with the guys at Intel's marketing?... Come on, "Bulverde"? Is that a name for a processor core?... Oh well... Not that I have any better idea... :smile:

    <font color=red><b>M</b></font color=red>ephistopheles
  2. Wgere does Intel get there names for CPUS?
  3. Samsung also claims that their CPUs are faster than Intels per MHz. They claim their 266MHz is about twice as fast as Intels 200MHz <A HREF="http://www.samsungusa.com/cgi-bin/nabc/semiconductors/events/ipaq/ipaq_index.jsp" target="_new"> (link)</A>. This will make it extremely hard for Intel to combat the power of the new Samsung cpu!

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  4. That's cool ... I guess.

    **shrug**

    The Ultra Low Voltage Mobile Celeron from Intel still only uses 1.1V, outputs a tiny 7W, and runs at 650MHz. And that was years ago. So one has to wonder what the advantage of the new S3C2440 is, since it uses 1.3V to run at just 533MHz.

    I mean at some point shouldn't a handheld CPU cease to be a handheld CPU because it's moved into the electrical and thermal standing of a fully-fledged laptop CPU?

    "<i>Yeah, if you treat them like equals, it'll only encourage them to think they <b>ARE</b> your equals.</i>" - Thief from <A HREF="http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=030603" target="_new">8-Bit Theater</A>
  5. Intel code names for all their products (not just chips) must be a Geographic place found in Canada or the US.

    I'm just your average habitual smiler =D
  6. I´d like a one-way ticket to Celeron near the Coppermine, through Northwood and Xeon please! :cool:

    You can´t really compare this to a real laptop CPU. If you´re talking raw computer power, sure the Celeron is fine, but in the handheld industri, its all about size. The new S3C2440 is using 0.13µ technology, but the die is only 4.7 mm2 compared to the 0.18µ and 95 mm2 of the Mobile Celeron (I think its 95, I´m not really sure).

    If the market-analasys is true, the market should grow by about 700% in only 4 years. Samsung could stand to make a lot of money based on this new CPU, if Intel doesn´t catch up.


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  7. That a good one samsung to beat intel.Ok that a real journalist.

    Let make some assumtion.

    Ok The new (to be release in 8 month) use the new 90 nm manufacturing proccess.

    The new intel bulver (or any others name) use also the new 90 NM at a new architecture and be running at 800 mghz and almost release (to be release in 8 month or so).

    Conclusion they got new cpu on 90NM soon from Intel and Samsung and in 1 week or any others time scale others will annouce new cpu that are also 2 time faster that previus generation base on a total unknow benchmark.

    I dont like french test
  8. I don't think Intel is not going to let it bother them. Since they have a new handheld Cpu down the road.
  9. Oh yea well i'm developing a new CPU called "super-duper cpu". Its 2mhz are equall to 92596mhz of samsungs. Yea where do they get their names?


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  10. LOL, that was precious! The bUseful benchmark is the best and most commenly used benchmark for PDAs. Everyone is using it, just as people use timedemoes, Sisoft Sandra and 3Dmark to test the performance of desktop CPUs. If you don´t know or understand anything about it just say so, don´t mess yourself up like this!

    I don´t really care who wins the race, I´m just happy there is a race going on, as with Intel and AMD, I hope this will make better and cheaper CPUs for the future, that´s all!

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  11. I agree with you but its really called bUseful Analyser. the only problem with it, is that it takes ages to run a complete test, but the info and details on your hardware can be beaten by no other program.

    Also think the competition between intel and amd has produced and hopefully will produce even better and cheaper processors. I think competition is great for the industri.
  12. Hm... agreed about the race! :smile:

    If those things were cheap, I might even consider getting one... They look so... interesting. Curious.

    But mobile hardware is usually expensive...

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  13. Quote:
    You can´t really compare this to a real laptop CPU. If you´re talking raw computer power, sure the Celeron is fine, but in the handheld industri, its all about size. The new S3C2440 is using 0.13µ technology, but the die is only 4.7 mm2 compared to the 0.18µ and 95 mm2 of the Mobile Celeron (I think its 95, I´m not really sure).

    Yes, the ULV mobile Celeron is a <i>lot</i> bigger in size. (Though the ULV mobile Celeron is 0.13 micron with a die size of 80mm2.) That aside, it's still small enough to fit into a PDA if anyone ever wanted to use it. It's not <i>all</i> about size. It's about cost. No one wants to spend that much for a PDA, no matter how well it would perform. That's one of the reasons why the tablet PC market failed.

    (The other reason for tablet PCs not catching on being Microsoft's idiotic idea that tablet PCs shouldn't be a PC in and of themselves, but just a wireless extension to desktops.)

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    If the market-analasys is true, the market should grow by about 700% in only 4 years. Samsung could stand to make a lot of money based on this new CPU, if Intel doesn´t catch up.

    Stand to make a lot of money? Hardly. Handhelds are an incredibly small market where budget devices reign supreme. Of the very few people who buy them, hardly anyone even cares about top-notch performance. So would a new faster chip even matter? It matters vastly less than one for a desktop would, and those pretty much only have value for bragging rights. It's a very small market. Desktops are driven by midrange. PDAs are driven by low-end. So there's hardly any money to be made.

    On top of that, 700% <i>sounds</i> huge, but small numbers even when multiplied by seven, are still small numbers. And that's assuming that the 700% is even moderately accurate, which is an asinine assumption to make, especially now that mobile phones are coming with cameras and small color displays. The whole PDA market has become a deseased animal waiting to be put out of it's misery.

    So will Samsung be making money on it? Only if someone is smart enough to put an ultra-budget PDA chip and an MP3 CODEC into a mobile phone for only a $25 increase in cost at retail and call it macaroni. Will Intel lose <i>anything</i> by waiting to release an 0.09 micron PDA chip to upgrade their speeds? Only momentary prestige in a market that makes very little money and is more likely to shrink than grow.

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    If those things were cheap, I might even consider getting one... They look so... interesting. Curious.

    But mobile hardware is usually expensive...

    Eh.

    **shrug**

    I have a PDA. It's cute. It's trendy. And about all the use that I actually get out of it is writing novels in bed while my wife watches a movie on the TV. (Conveniently I can transport the files from my PDA into Word on my PC and back so it's more efficient for me than writing on paper and transcribing it to the PC, and I have a tiny thumb keyboard so that I can type resaonably fast on the PDA.)

    However, just a small pad of paper and a pencil (or dare I suggest just a small day planner/addess book) will meet the majority of handheld user's needs, be just as portable, be faster and easier to use, and cost a heck of a lot less. It's just not 'trendy' to do things the old-fashioned way. For some reason people can justify carrying around a little handheld but balk at carrying around an even smaller pad of paper.

    **shrug**

    Go figure.

    That aside cheap PDAs do exist, such as the Palm Zire. When you get that low-end they're nothing special, but they're still cute.

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  15. How cheap do you want it? Say $50.
  16. I know this is OT, but it's fun :)

    Celeron and Xeon are end marketing terms. The naming based upon geographic locations only applies to code names that are developed during design (ie, Coppermine, Grantsdale, etc).

    Just FYI, I don't know where Intel officially got the names from, but there is a Coppermine in Canada:

    <A HREF="http://collections.ic.gc.ca/arctic/inuit/copper.htm" target="_new">Coppermine</A> (note, that's the trading post/indian community...coppermine is also a river)

    And Northwood is a city in North Dakota (and maybe some other states...).

    I'm just your average habitual smiler =D
  17. Seems about right, Grantsdale and Northwood sounds like real locations, and Coppermine just sounds weird, but being Indian territory run by Great Bull and Eagle-Eye-Billy I guess it seems right afterall. :wink: They should name a real city Xeon, that´d be cool though, maybe there´s one already who knows, sounds chinese. :smile:

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  18. Why does it make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside when I see Intel losing?

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    The S3C2440 features an ARM920T core, a 16/32-bit RISC microprocessor for high performance in a small form-factor and a low core voltage of 1.3V

    link:
    http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/News/SystemLSI/SystemLSI_20030721_0000007669.htm
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    The core processor is not from samsung, they brought it from thirdparty(ARM).So Samsung really deserves the credit?
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    don't think Intel is not going to let it bother them. Since they have a new handheld Cpu down the road.
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    I am thinking in the same way
  21. The ARM920T core is originally running at 250MHz, Samsung has optimized (turbocharged) it to run at 533MHz, that´s what all this is about, and that´s the credit to Samsung.

    I´m sure Intel will make a new champion to rule, at least for a while. The race is on and we customers should be happy that no single company holds all the cards!

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