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What's this not a core leakage problem?

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July 27, 2003 6:46:55 PM

"Intel executives say the decision to slow the advance was a conscious one"

Clock speed doesn't matter? Prescott has no problem's?

<A HREF="" target="_new">pfft be real man!</A>

Yep there ya go..<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by pirox on 07/27/03 02:49 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

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July 27, 2003 7:19:55 PM

Clock speed does matter. But if you had to choose between a few 'simple' Hyper-Threading tweaks that could double performance -today-, or going trough all the trouble of doubling clock frequency which takes -years-, what would you choose? Design changes cost virtually no time and yields are about the same, while breaking the laws of physics does cost time and money.

Intel knows what it is doing. At a certain point extending Hyper-Threading will not be very interesting any more, and then technology will have advanced far enough to start increasing the clock frequency again. And if they decrease gate size once again they can continue adding execution units, etc...
July 27, 2003 7:29:02 PM

The core of the issue is business related, not technology related. Intel has left AMD in the dust, so there is simply no need for them to bust their humps making faster and faster chips. They want to make as much money off of the slower and cheaper ones as they can. Without AMD providing any real competition, it makes absolutely no business sense to keep churning out faster chips. All that does is accelerate the decrease in value of the slower chips, meaning they make less money on them. Until they get some more real competition from somewhere, expect Intel to pace themselves. If I was in their position, I would.

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July 27, 2003 7:42:46 PM

It might also be in Intel's best interest not to get AMD out of the game - that would mean the antitrust alarms would sound... And Intel might be facing the anti-monopoly laws...

<font color=red><b>M</b></font color=red>ephistopheles
July 27, 2003 8:54:41 PM

Thats why AMD needs to bring out the A64 on time. We need the compution.
July 27, 2003 11:39:07 PM

i have a feeling amd is done for, they will creep back into the cold low performance department they were in 5 (?) years ago cs game server -
July 28, 2003 2:34:47 AM

not 5 years ago...they were not doing so bad...the k6 266 could beat the pII 233 but was slower than the pII266...they pretty much followed intel from there with clock speeds...they were never high end in 1998 but they were pretty close...

So easy to fry yet tastes so good...
Silicon: The other, other, other white meat :evil: 
July 28, 2003 3:55:31 AM

AMD is far from being done. They don't have the money Intel does. But with IBM being a partner helps.
July 28, 2003 4:25:53 AM

AMD does look a bit 'tired' in the desktop arena, but they can certainly challenge intel in the server industry.
the ultra efficient opteron could really threaten both the itanium and the xeon.

Mr no integrity coward.</b>
July 28, 2003 6:08:51 AM

another INTELLIOT feeling the heat

July 28, 2003 6:09:04 AM

Pirox, it's evident from your website that you're just another amd fanboy. Don't you guys have anything better to do that go looking all over the internet trying to dig up dirt on Intel? Pathetic.
July 28, 2003 1:08:46 PM

Do you have a point, poopy?

Of course not. You didn't change.

<font color=red><b>M</b></font color=red>ephistopheles
July 28, 2003 1:18:55 PM

TTZX, apparently, pirox edited his first post as to leave no mention of him having a website... (as if he really was ashamed... strange...)

What was on that site, anyway?

<font color=red><b>M</b></font color=red>ephistopheles
July 28, 2003 1:31:11 PM

Poopy seek life else where.
July 28, 2003 1:32:30 PM

Your right that's why I stated they are far from being done.
July 28, 2003 3:35:32 PM

Popegoldx, you must either be a child, stupid, or both. Whichever, you are certainly a troll. I am not an "Intelliot". My current primary system is in fact an Athlon machine. The only machine I am currently using that has an Intel chip is my Toshiba Portege laptop. I simply buy whatever chip has the most performance per dollar. At the time I built my current system, that meant AMD. Now Intel is in the driver's seat, and if I were to build one today, I would buy an Intel CPU. It is abundantly obvious that you are an AMD Fanboy (AMDiot? lol), so you calling someone else a fanboy is really the pot calling the kettle black. Fanboys from either camp are just gullible purchasers who have fallen victim to clever advertising, making them close-minded to anyone's products other than their beloved brand. "Close-minded" and "gullible" are two words that will never apply to me. But you go ahead and keep pouring your cash (or more likely your parent's cash I am guessing) into AMD, and keep rooting for your "team", AMDiot.

And if you had actually read the article in the first place -- probably too many words for someone like you -- you would see that Intel feels exactly the way I suspected they would:

"The market situation really doesn't warrant it right now," agrees Nathan Brookwood, an analyst at Insight 64. Intel no longer feels competitor Advanced Micro Devices Inc. (NYSE:AMD - News) at its heels, like it did in 2000 when the speed of the two companies' chips was nearly on par. It has little incentive to push harder. "AMD has not been able to challenge Intel in the last 18 months," Mr. Brookwood said.

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July 28, 2003 4:31:50 PM

Popegoldx, you must either be a child, stupid, or both.

I've met smarter and kinder kids... :smile:

<font color=red><b>M</b></font color=red>ephistopheles
July 29, 2003 8:26:06 PM

Mephistopheles, you are right he did immedaitely remove the link to his website. I went to his website to check it out and there was a section where it said MY FAVORITE THINGS or something like that. Then under CPU category he wrote "Anything but Intel". Hahaha made me crack up, what a douchebag.
July 29, 2003 8:30:10 PM

MY FAVORITE THINGS: Anything but a via cpu sux...


3 386DX-25's...12 volts...glue and some ln2 and a wicked amount of overclocking and you get a willamantee minus 36 pins, 33.75 million transistors and a couple hundred mhz... :cool: