is it worthy? help me work it...

[SunHeat]

this is the platform i'm currently using:
athlon tb 1g 266 fsb
kingmax pc150 256m*2
abit kt7a (kt133a)
i want to upgrade them, what i have in mind is:
nforce2 400 (no ultra)
some 400 fsb barton cpu
pc400 512m ddr
but according to my budget, i won't be able to by a barton in a few months, that is, i will continue using my tb for some time.
after reading some reviews of the new barton cpu, i started to doubt: is it worth buying? the benchmarks and the cpu's price remind me of k6-iii. now my question is:
is 400 fsb barton worth buying? about what pirce is it going to be in feburary, 2004? if not worthy, how shall i upgrade my platform?

-[A.M.D]-

 

[4Ryan6]

You'll get an overload of suggestions to thoroughly confuse you even more, if you don't post what you're budgeted, and intending to spend.

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[slvr_phoenix]

You know, this is probably the strangest post that I've read in a while... You're running a 1GHz Thunderbird on SDRAM and you're asking if an AXP3200 (the <i>only</i> Barton that runs on a 400MHz FSB) is worth buying?

Well I have to start off by saying, no, probably not. For the same price you'll probably be getting more out of a Pentium4 NorthwoodC.

Then I have to also ask just what exactly are you going to be doing with this system? Because <i>we</i> can't tell you what is and isn't worth buying. We can make logical suggestions, but even then if you don't tell us your needs, we don't have very much (if anything) to base a logical suggestion on.

All of that aside though, if you want to stick with AMD why not just save money and get one of the many AthlonXPs with a 333MHz FSB?

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[SunHeat]

well, perhaps i didn't make myself clear.

what i do with my computer is enterprise application:
some ibm websphere or db2

i think it's time to upgrade my system because it's fairly slow on these usage.

i intend to keep my tb 1g for some while because i don't have enough budget to get a brand new p4 platform. my budget is about 180 usd (1600 rmb in fact). thus i thought about preparing for the barton's 'on sale' day. but according to the benchmarks, it seems that barton is not so good, it reminds me of k6-iii anyway.

-[A.M.D]-

 

[pIII_Man]

you realise that you will need a new motherboard and memory if you get the new barton...

3 386DX-25's...12 volts...glue some ln2 and a wicked amount of overclocking and you get a willamantee minus 36 pins, 33.75 million transistors and a couple hundred mhz...

 

[pIII_Man]

woops looks like you already did...here is my advice...get a barton 2800 and all the stuff you are going for....and set the fsb and multiplyer to barton 3200 speeds...it will hit this on stock voltage and cooling and you will save a hell of a lota green

3 386DX-25's...12 volts...glue some ln2 and a wicked amount of overclocking and you get a willamantee minus 36 pins, 33.75 million transistors and a couple hundred mhz...

 

[SunHeat]

is it possible to overclock 2800+ to 3200+?
my plan is to get the motherboard and the ram first, continue to use tb 1g on them, and wait for the sale.
this is a choice and we are choosers...is it worth waiting for? is it worth paying for?

-[A.M.D]-

 

[Spitfire_x86]

You can easily overclock 2500+ to 3200.

Make sure that you are getting CL2.0 RAM. Don't buy CL2.5 or CL3 RAM

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[Flinx]

At this time you might consider a partial upgrade of the processor only:
<A HREF="http://www.upgradeware.com/english/product/xptmc/xptmc.htm" target="_new">http://www.upgradeware.com/english/product/xptmc/xptmc.htm</A>
With this adaptor.

Buy the Mobo and memory later when you can afford it.

The loving are the daring!

 

[HardWareBoss]

You realise this is the wrong place for this info.

 

[pIII_Man]

huh?

3 386DX-25's...12 volts...glue some ln2 and a wicked amount of overclocking and you get a willamantee minus 36 pins, 33.75 million transistors and a couple hundred mhz...

 

[SunHeat]

i'm not upgrading to barton on my current motherboard, i'm upgrading my current motherboard for barton! and since barton is at a sky high price, i'm going to continue using my current cpu. i want your opinions, shall i prepare for barton, or shall i give up k7?

-[A.M.D]-

 

[ChipDeath]

If I were you I'd wait just a few more months, just to see how the A64 compares with the Prescott. At the very least it'll mean huge price drops in stuff like Bartons & P4C Northwoods.

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[SunHeat]

but a64 is just like the old k7, i think. those who bought k7 500 will regret following slot a. and barton is like k6-iii someway, whose price didn't fall to a reasonable level until it's performance went out of date.

-[A.M.D]-

 

[skligmund]

I will tell you sorry for those who posted before me, as they don't realise they are not answering your question.

My advise to you, if you want to run 400FSB, is to get a new motherboard and new RAM. You MAY have to get a new PSU because the newer stuff will use a bit more power. If you have 350Watt or bigger you should be fine. You can use your 1000MHz processor for a while, and then get the slowest Barton core processor, and overclock it if you feel you need to, otherwise just run it stock.

So go ahead and do what you were thinking, that 1000Mhz processor will run fine on the new motherboard until you have the dough for a new processor.

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[skligmund]

As for the Barton sounding like the K6-III, it all depends on what you are comparing it to. If you compare the K6-III to an original K6-2, it whoops it's butt, because it has onboard cache.

But I figure you mean the difference between the AXP T-Breds and the AXP Bartons. If so, then you are right. The difference between a K6-2+ (has onboard cache at 128K) and K6-3(+) 9has onboard cache at 256K) is really not that much. And from what I've seen, in practical use, the difference between the 333FSB T-Breds and the 400FSB Bartons is not that much. So if you can get a T-Bred 2400 or 2600 for less than a Barton by a lot, then I might conider the T-Bred. But if the price difference is negligable, then hit up the Barton and take advantage of the 400FSB.

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[ChipDeath]

A64 is based on the same core, but it's got a few subtle improvements, and has the much-vaunted native 64-bit support. True, it probably won't be that much of an improvement for the stuff you're using now, but <i><b>if</i></b> developers write enough stuff for it then it should start to look attractive.

However, seeing as A64 is being launched in August apparently, it should mean imminent price cuts of the slower bartons and t-breds - that's the main reason I think you should wait, as it's only a couple months... You'll be able to get a good deal on something which will have enough power to last a good year at least. (same story for Intel/Prescott - although that chip might actually be worth buying from the start, unlike the A64[IMO])

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[skligmund]

Which is another good reason to get the MOBO and RAM now, then wait for the processor price drop.

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[HardWareBoss]

You know that nut who posted about his system that was not a system. He was complaning about this is CPU not help on computer info. I was referring to that nut case.

 

[pIII_Man]

ok... but you replyed to me so i got confuzed

3 386DX-25's...12 volts...glue some ln2 and a wicked amount of overclocking and you get a willamantee minus 36 pins, 33.75 million transistors and a couple hundred mhz...

 

[HardWareBoss]

Just throwing in the ole curveball.