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August 8, 2003 8:20:03 AM

Since I can't get a complete upgrade in time for Halo and HL2, I figure I will do a minor upgrade. If possible.

My current specs:

Compaq Mobo
Athlon XP 1500+
2(256mb) PC2100
GF4 Ti4200 64mb
40gb Maxtor 7200rpm 2mb Cache

I figure the best budget upgrade staying on the AMD side, would be a 2400+. What would be the best mobo to go with this? Unless there is a stronger value setup I could get for little more.

I'm also assuming it would be little trouble to change out my current mobo/proc for a new one. Assuming the mobo fits. Would you think this is gonna be a problem?

If I could upgrade to at least a 2400+, I figure I can then get a 9700 pro for a pretty good price and I wouldn't have to worry about bottlenecking.

I would really appreciate any help/knowledge you guys might be able to give.

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August 8, 2003 8:42:51 AM

The best bang for your buck would be to upgrade your graphics card as much as possible, meaning you wouldn't need to replace your motherboard.

What is the maximum CPU your current board will support, or do you know this? It might not be necessary to replace the board at all, although in the long term it's certainly something you should aim for. I'm assuming that your board is an ATX form factor.

Also bear in mind that you'll need a PSU to match these new specifications, so have a look at what you've got and see if it is sufficient.

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August 8, 2003 9:02:37 AM

What's your budget?

a new nforce2 mobo, 512Mb of RAM, CPU and a decent HSF don't necessarily cost that much...

you say your mobo is a compaq? If the whole PC is compaq then you might need a new case/PSU as well.. (these big manufacturers tend to use proprietary designs which don't conform to ATX standards).

The biggest single boost for gaming would be a new Gfx card, as Wingy says, but your Ti4200 is not actually a bad card at all... Personally I'd want to upgrade everything else before I got a new Gfx card, but that's just me.

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August 8, 2003 9:42:17 AM

Wingding:

I'm not sure what my mobo will support but I do know that it's a 133fsb board. So if that tells you anything I really don't know.

Chipdeath:

I really would like to upgrade by Sept. 23rd, which is when Halo is expected to be released. So by then I should be able to save up $500 give or take $100.

It's probably a good bet that Compaq used proprietary components so I guess that means I have to upgrade more than just the mobo/cpu?

Would getting a 9700pro or 9800pro really give me that much more? I know my specs would bottleneck the card. That's why I wanted to upgrade the mobo/proc so getting one of these cards would benefit me better.

What do you think I should get with $500-600?

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August 8, 2003 10:29:32 AM

OK: Prices from Newegg.com
Case:ANTEC MODEL SLK3700AMB w/ANTEC SMART POWER 350W 69.99
Mobo:Epox 8RDA+ 83.00
CPU:Barton XP2500+ 90.00
Cooler:D epends on what you want(overclocking or silent operation),
but a decent one costs <$20
RAM:CORSAIR 3200C2 LL TwinX512Mb (2x256Mb) 144.00

Total: 406.99.

If you don't want to overclock, you can save some cash by getting some crucial PC2700 Ram instead.

I'm sure someone can reccomend a good HSF.. What features do you want on the mobo? I recommended the Epox because I have one myself, and it's very good value, although it does lack SATA, and a couple of other bits that some other nforce2 boards have. it <i>does</i> have the nforce APU though.

You've got $100 headroom to play with it too...

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August 8, 2003 11:08:05 AM

That's a very sensible suggestion. The new case with PSU avoids the legacy issues with Compaq, which is definitely the way to go.

Given this spec, your existing graphics card should be sufficient. If I had some spare cash I'd probably go for a slightly higher specification motherboard, but that's more a personal choice.

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August 8, 2003 1:12:50 PM

Athlon 1500+ is not that slow. I would hold on to it. It's not worth the hassle just to jump up to 2500.

Why don't you wait until right before those games come out and buy a 9700 pro or 9800? The prices are just going to keep dropping.
August 8, 2003 2:00:20 PM

It's not just the chip don't forget. I've never seen a compaq motherboard win any awards for performance. I think He'll get a significant boost by upgrading everything else, and he probably won't even need a new Gfx card.

Also I bet he'll get noticeably faster performance for stuff other than gaming, as just upgrading the Gfx card wouldn't help the rest of the system at all.

Plus of course he might even find that the PSU in the compaq can't cope with the extra load of a top of the line Card - if that was the case he'd need a new PSU anyway.

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August 8, 2003 2:32:11 PM

I agree with Jp5 but if ya keen to ditch that mobo trade ya CPU on a XP2.4 (overclock a bit) and get a second hand mobo like a A7V266-E or similar, cost around $20 US. One way or the other If you want to get the best out of a 9700 or 9800 (or the nvidia range) wait six months for these games to come out and start from scratch. You wont regret it, thats what i'm doing, cause you will end up with a top performing system at a realistic price.

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August 8, 2003 8:18:25 PM

Thanks for the responses!

I just don't know if I can wait till mid next year to play all these games. I guess I could just play HL2 etc. on the system I have now, but that would somewhat spoil getting a new system, no?

Chipdeath, thanks for those suggestions. That sounds like a pretty good deal.

I'm really torn on if I should do a budget upgrade, or just get a 9700pro/9800pro. But with the specs I have I'm just not sure I would be able to notice a difference. Although getting one of these cards would probably allow me to jack up the aa/aniso.

Right now with my Ti4200 I'm getting about 8700 in 3dmark2001. Would I even break 10k upgrading to 9700/9800?

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August 9, 2003 2:50:34 AM

Heck yes, you'd possibly break 11k. Not sure if your motherboard is at all for overclocking, but it's worth a shot. But yeah, like others said, you'll see the most improvement out of a graphics card upgrade. Radeon 9700 pros are dirt cheap (comparatively) at the moment. The 9800 pro (128 and 256mb) aren't that much faster, like going from a ti4200 to a ti4600, it's a good margin of improvement, but might not be worth the extra $100-200 over a 9700 pro. I'd personally get the 9700 pro myself.

I want to see an <font color=blue>Ati Radeon 99999 Ultra Pro</font color=blue>, based on the <font color=red>AtiRage core</font color=red>. And people wonder how a <font color=purple>Geforce3</font color=purple> is better than a <font color=orange>Geforce4 Mx...</font color=orange>
August 9, 2003 3:34:25 AM

Buy in the end of Oct when Intel cuts their prices.
August 9, 2003 7:27:24 AM

That might be what I will do HB. Thx.

And Quet, I think I'm gonna take your suggestion(as well as whoever else suggested it) and upgrade to a 9700pro.

But I have a couple of concerns about doing this.

1. This might sound dumb, but will I have any incompatibility issues going to a 9700pro in this aged of a system. I bought the system with a GF2 MX400 and upgraded to Ti4200 64mb with no problems. But I'm not so sure about the 9700p.

2. My, what I believe is proprietary, PSU is 300w. It didn't seem to have a problem with the Ti4200 but do you think I will run into problems with the 9700p? I know it needs an extra power output and that worries me slightly. But I almost don't care and just want to upgrade.

Hopefully somebody can help put me at ease about this. Nobody who recommended a 9700/9800 said anything about making sure I've got enough juice, so hopefully my concerns are over nothing.

Anybody running a 9700pro in a 300w psu?

I've got like 3 fans, 1 HDD, 1 CD Burner, and 1 CD-Rom. So I don't think I'm bogging down my PSU right now.

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August 9, 2003 1:03:40 PM

1-Nah, just maybe fragment drivers/registry if you don't do a full uninstall. There's been a lotta problems floating around in the past months about going Ati to Nvidia, or Nvidia to Ati, so just make sure you clean off all of your ti4200 drivers before you install your new Catalyst drivers.

2-Well...it's getting a little borderline at 300 watts and a beefy radeon 9700 pro (I don't think the GeforceFx 5800/5900 is any better powerwise). I'd seriously consider getting a stronger PSU, maybe 350+ watts. Crashman seems to like Fortron, i've had good luck using Enermax and Enlight. Antec and Zalman also seem to get good reviews. Take your pick.

I want to see an <font color=blue>Ati Radeon 99999 Ultra Pro</font color=blue>, based on the <font color=red>AtiRage core</font color=red>. And people wonder how a <font color=purple>Geforce3</font color=purple> is better than a <font color=orange>Geforce4 Mx...</font color=orange>
August 9, 2003 9:44:46 PM

Yes, the psu concerns me as well. Oh and I've changed my video card upgade to a 9800np. This is a little cheaper, barely clocked lower(which I could oc), and has newer shaders etc.

I wonder though...is the 9800np more or less power hungry than the 9700pro?

And also I'm not sure if I mentioned this before, but my computer is a Compaq, and my psu is I believe proprietary. Would I run into any problems upgrading the psu?

My case is actually a very nice one with a good amount of room/airflow. It seems mostly likely to be proprietary case, but is Compaq known to make their sh*t so other, better name-brand sh*t won't fit? Man I hope not.

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August 10, 2003 12:35:24 AM

Oh boy, I forgot about that. You better give Crashman a PM, or find someone else who's used a compaq, i'm not sure whether or not they use proprietary PSUs, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did. You could kinda be in trouble then, and would have to go all out for a new motherboard/case/PSU, but for the time being, see if you can find any paperwork/electronic documents they state whether or not your compaq uses a regular ATX power supply.

I'm not sure about the radeon, the 9800np shouldn't use much more electricity than the 9700 pro. I know they had to upgrade the heatsink specs, as it does put out slightly more wattage than the 9700 pro and np. That's another good question...it's not likely to be any real large amount higher than a 9700 pro.

Also with the case, you never know with proprietary material. You *could* try the radeon 9800 np on your current 300 watt PSU, but my guess is that it would chug or lock up, something low wattage related.

I want to see an <font color=blue>Ati Radeon 99999 Ultra Pro</font color=blue>, based on the <font color=red>AtiRage core</font color=red>. And people wonder how a <font color=purple>Geforce3</font color=purple> is better than a <font color=orange>Geforce4 Mx...</font color=orange>
August 10, 2003 7:57:39 AM

Woot!

I just had a chat with a Compaq guy, and he was able to confirm that my PSU is an ATX form factor. But what struck me as odd, was that Neil(that was his name) told me to make sure the PSU I wanted to get would fit my Presario case. Doesn't the fact that it's an ATX form factor mean it will fit my case? That confused me.

If anyone can shed some light on my dumbass...or Neil's dumbass if that be the case.

Thanks.

Oh yea. Would getting the Fortron 400w be overkill considering it's max output is actually 490w?
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August 10, 2003 8:11:34 AM

a fortron 350 would be fine...a 400 is overkill...but then again it will last a while...you could keep the poweresupply for a few more upgrades...

If i put my k6 in a Ferrari it would be faster than your your pentium 4 or Athlon XP :tongue:
August 10, 2003 8:33:15 AM

Ok, here are the 4 Fortrons I'm looking at:

Fortron 300w($25.00) *Max Output : 390w(80mm fan)
Fortron 300w($27.00) *Max Output : 380w(120mm fan)
Fortron 350w($55.00) *Max Output : ???(doesn't say)
Fortron 400w($66.99) *Max Output : 490w

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August 10, 2003 9:34:29 AM

To get 10K 3D Mark results, i got a GF4 Ti4800SE (the price has just been cut again on Creatives website) abd that was well on the way to getting 11K unclocked (10900). Of course any card can be overclocked to do even better. With a GF3, i got a 60% increase by overclocking it.
The best one for Nvidia cards is RivaTuner.

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August 10, 2003 10:10:38 AM

I don't have a clue what you are talking about but thanks for the bump. ;) 

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August 10, 2003 2:35:54 PM

The more watts the better.
August 11, 2003 4:58:35 AM

Well I just purchased the 400w Fortron from Newegg. I figure after I buy my new computer next summer, I can throw this puppy in there and it should still be fine.

Thanks for all your help guys and let's just hope it fits. :tongue:

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August 11, 2003 8:25:32 AM

Have you checked with HP to see what is the fastest cpu that board will handle. If it can take the xp2400, I would suggest you go that route as well, when you can afford it. A little while ago I went from an xp1800 to an xp2400, and was plesantly supprised at the difference.
August 11, 2003 10:37:26 AM

That is a great question I can ask one of the Compaq guys. I for some reason doubt it can run that chip but it's definately worth asking. Thanks.

Not to mention the boost in video card performance as my xp1500 is just gonna bottleneck. But at least I will be able to jack up AA and AF without compromising performance too much.

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August 11, 2003 10:54:35 AM

Ok, I just talked to another Compaq representative. 24-hour chat is badass. Although they take forever to give you an answer. Anyways, I just found out that my mobo supports up to xp2000 or 1.667ghz.

Sounds like a pretty good deal considering newegg has Retail XP2000+ for $65.

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August 11, 2003 8:06:53 PM

sorry to say but that sounds like bullshit to me...if your mobo can support a 266mhz bus...then it should also be able to support the 2400 which is using a 266mhz bus...

If i put my k6 in a Ferrari it would be faster than your your pentium 4 or Athlon XP :tongue:
August 11, 2003 9:49:12 PM

Really? Are you sure there are no other differences between 2000 and 2400? Like a different core or something?

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August 11, 2003 11:36:56 PM

no there are no diffrences...they are the exact same core...amd just does performance selection at the factory...

The only thing i can think of is that...there board does not support multiplyers over 12.5x? I have never heard of a mobo that does not support this...however maybe it does not read the 5th bit that diffines multiplyers?

I find it kind of unlikely...i really don't know...but i can say that i think you have a 90% chance of it working...also remember to download the latest bios from compaq...

If i put my k6 in a Ferrari it would be faster than your your pentium 4 or Athlon XP :tongue:
August 12, 2003 2:28:16 AM

Well, he *might* have a motherboard with a really old DDR chipset, like the AMD 760 or Sis 735. I'm not sure how high they support in terms of Athlons, but the 12.5 multiplier may be the limit. Updating the bios may or may not help, but I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't considering it's a compaq. It's likely a proprietary motherboard or a cheaper brand like QDI or DFI.

I want to see an <font color=blue>Ati Radeon 99999 Ultra Pro</font color=blue>, based on the <font color=red>AtiRage core</font color=red>. And people wonder how a <font color=purple>Geforce3</font color=purple> is better than a <font color=orange>Geforce4 Mx...</font color=orange>
August 12, 2003 2:58:35 AM

That should keep you going for the next two years or so. Until your next upgrade.
August 12, 2003 4:56:04 AM

You hit it on the nose Quet. Using Aida(love that program) I found out that my chipset is in fact a 760. So does this verify that the xp2000 is as high as I can go?

And if so would you guys recommend this upgrade? Sounds like a pretty good deal at $65.00.

Again thanks for the help everyone. You guys are awesome. :smile:

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August 12, 2003 5:29:14 AM

the 760 can take over 12.5 x multis...

Like i said you have a very good chance of getting a 2400 to work...like 90 percent

If i put my k6 in a Ferrari it would be faster than your your pentium 4 or Athlon XP :tongue:
August 12, 2003 6:05:41 AM

Wow, I thought by the way Quet said "with a really old DDR chipset, like the AMD 760" I would be SOL for a xp2400. But you are saying the 760 can go past 12.5x. But if you are sure it will go past 12.5(which I assume is what I would need to get a 2400), then why only 90% sure it will work?

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August 12, 2003 6:36:13 AM

see what you are failing to understand is that all chipsets can take a 13x or greater multi...the thing is...has the board manufacturer implimented the fifth bit multiplyer detection...i am guessing they have because i have never heard of a problem of a board not being able to use high multi's in fact in the days of the durons...people would mod the chip to enable multis up and over 13x...

boards have been able to support over 12.5x multis for a long time...so i don't think it will be a problem...i just said that could be a problem cause that was the only reason i could think of why compaq would say something like that...that's all...

BTW the age of the chipset only determines the max fsb the cpu can run...i mean if there was a 133mhz bus 3ghz cpu...you could support it...

Thats my .02...if you are willing to take a bit of a chance it could pay off..

If i put my k6 in a Ferrari it would be faster than your your pentium 4 or Athlon XP :tongue:
August 12, 2003 6:52:06 AM

pIII_Man, let me just say I totally appreciate your .02 cents. :smile:

And I'm really sorry I'm so ignorant about all this stuff. I just don't know alot about multipliers n such and I'm just trying to clarify what I read.

So would I need to verify that my mobo manuf. "impemented the fifth bit multiplier detection"? I mean if I asked Compaq would they be able to tell me something like this? Me thinks not. :wink:

If I'm whipping you with these questions I'm sorry, but I just want to make as much sure as possible that my board should be able to support an xp2400.

Basically, what do you think I should ask/find out from Compaq or on my own that would definitively answer this compatability issue of the 2400 fitting my mobo?

Thanks.

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August 12, 2003 7:06:16 AM

there used to be a compaq employee (zanther) on these forums although a real dick...he would have known the anwswer...

I would call up compaq again...that way you get a diffrent sales rep...se if he gives the same answer...i am curious...

Don't worry...we are all ignorant in some aspect...at least you care and are willing to learn

I have never heard of a 5th bit problem like i said...the reason i say 90% chance is i dunno what kind of cheep ass board compaq is using...

here are some difinitive ways of getting an answer....

research to see if they ever sold your computer with the option of getting a duron 1300 or higher...

call up compaq a few times to see if you can find a real sharp sales rep (there are always 1 or 2) get into a conversation about him...basically say...."i don't understand why this board has a 2000+ limitation...the 2400+ uses the same fsb...and is perfecrly compatable with the chipset...) kinda shoot the breeze with the guy and try to squeez some knowledge out of him...

If all else fails...you can take your chances like i have said there is a 1 in 10 chance of it not working (based on my estimites)...

Hehe bet ya'll didn't think i knew anything about athlons!

If i put my k6 in a Ferrari it would be faster than your your pentium 4 or Athlon XP :tongue:
August 12, 2003 7:08:30 AM

btw...there is a good chance that the support dude was just giving you the fastest cpu that they sold the pc with...not necissarly the fastest cpu that can be used....

Also what is the model number of your compaq...i could do a litttle research...

If i put my k6 in a Ferrari it would be faster than your your pentium 4 or Athlon XP :tongue:
August 12, 2003 8:00:40 AM

Man, you cleared that question up for me perfectly. Now I know exactly what to ask Compaq next time I talk to them.

I'm not gonna pass up an offer for an experienced pc guy to do research on my PC. :smile: My Compaq model number is 8QSXE1. It's the Presario 8000Z.

Cheers.

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August 12, 2003 8:27:14 AM

ok...i will look that up tomarrow...it is too late today...

If i put my k6 in a Ferrari it would be faster than your your pentium 4 or Athlon XP :tongue:
August 12, 2003 9:28:20 AM

I just talked to a Compaq guy. Same one as last time. Hmmm. Here is the conversation :

Suresh : Hello Mark.
LTJ311 : Hi.
LTJ311 : Again.
Suresh : Welcome to HP Americas Consumer eSupport for Presario products.
Suresh : My name is Suresh. How may I help you?
LTJ311 Cortes : I've been on some forums and some experienced ppl think my mobo might be
compatible with the 2400+ because they have the same fsb as 2000+ and same
chipset.
Suresh - Let me verify, Mark.
Suresh - Please wait for a moment.
LTJ311 - ok
Suresh - Thank y6ou.
LTJ311 - Take your time if you need.
Suresh - Thank you for waiting, Mark.
Suresh - I am afraid that you cannot go for 2400+ processor as it is not compatible with
your Presario.
LTJ311 - What makes it incompatible?
Suresh - The system boards limitation to handle that much speed of processor.
LTJ311 - Meaning I can't change the multipliers in my BIOS?
Suresh - Yes Mark.
LTJ311 - Is there any way to take that restriction off? Or getting a BIOS flash?
Suresh - I am afraid not.
LTJ311 - Hmmm. Ok I guess.
LTJ311 - Thanks for your time.
Suresh - You are welcome.
Suresh - Is there anything else that I can do?
LTJ311 - Well.
LTJ311 - I guess since I have you here.
LTJ311 - I'm planning on upgrading my video card to a Ati Radeon 9800 nonpro. Do you see
a problem with this?
Suresh - Yes Mark.
LTJ311 - Yes there is a problem?
Suresh - You may upgrade to ATI Radeon 9800.
Suresh - May I know what is the problem that you are experiencing?
LTJ311 - Oh. Lol. Phew.
LTJ311 - Problem?
Suresh - I thought that you are experiencing some problem with ATI 9000.
LTJ311 - Ummm. I don't have an Ati 9000.
Suresh - Ok.
LTJ311 - Do you not have my specs?
Suresh - Yes Mark.
Suresh - I have the specification of your Presario.
LTJ311 - What does it say for my graphics card?
Suresh - Your computer came with nVidia graphics card.
Suresh - Am I right?
LTJ311 - Well yes, but can you not be more specific? As to which model nVidia?
Suresh - I am sorry, Mark.
Suresh - I do not have that information.
Suresh - But we can find it.
LTJ311 - Oh.
Suresh - I suggest you click Start, Run.
LTJ311 - That is not necessary.
LTJ311 - Lol, I know what it is.
Suresh - Type DxDiag and press Enter.
LTJ311 - I wanted to see if you knew.
LTJ311 - My computer came with a GeForce 2 MX 400.
Suresh - It is because yours being a Customized To Order model,
Suresh - we do not have that information.
LTJ311 - Even though you have my serial number?
LTJ311 - Shouldn't that say exactly what customized specs I got?
Suresh - I am sorry, Mark.
LTJ311 - So if it doesn't...then how do you know all this supposed info about my
motherboard specs?
Suresh - There are 3 or 4 graphic cards go with your Presario model.
Suresh - I am comparing the Processor speed of 2400+ and 2000+ and providing you the
information.
LTJ311 - Are you 100% positive my motherboard won't support an Athlon Xp2400+?
Suresh - Yes Mark.
LTJ311 - Ok. Thank you.
LTJ311 - That is all.

Sounds fishy to me. But Compaq did f*ck me on the BIOS. I can't mess with anything. And on start-up instead of Bios info it just says COMPAQ in big red letters. Suck.

Is this what's gonna keep me from getting the 2400? Or is there possibly a way to bypass whatever lock Compaq has on the multiplier? Probably too involved for my liking I bet.
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August 12, 2003 12:19:46 PM

Suresh - There are 3 or 4 graphic cards go with your Presario model.
Suresh - I am comparing the Processor speed of 2400+ and 2000+ and providing you the
information.

Ugh!

I don't understand that line about comparing your system to a 2400...does that mean a version came with a 2400?

I doubt compaq would put in the time to enable a muli lock...that would just be stupid....the multi is auto selected by the cpu no need to enable bios support to run the cpu at stock speed...there are ways to get into compaq bioses...on most i use it is F2...it is sometimes a very strange key...you will have to refer to your manual...however even when you get into the bios...don't expect much...

I am still not understanding the situation...i almost feel like telling ya to call in to ask if your board will support a duron 1300...that uses a 13x multi...if it can support then i would say there is a 99% chance of getting support of a 2400...anyhow i am about to do some research on your board and chipset...lets see what i can find...

If i put my k6 in a Ferrari it would be faster than your your pentium 4 or Athlon XP :tongue:
August 12, 2003 1:01:07 PM

Ok...i did a little snooping...i have never seen this computer reviewed with a cpu higher than an 1800+....i think i saw maybe 1 review with the 1900+ cpu...This is leading me to beleive that probably 2000+ is the highest cpu that compaq ever used...that would have proably been on the ultra high end 3000$ model...

Through reading the reiviews...and looking at the computer's configuration at the time...i am under the impression that this was a near top of the line system for the time...i doubt they cut THAT many corners....

Since you have not been able to get a clear answer from compaq (that service guy sounded pretty bogus IMO...) i think you have good chances of getting a 2400+ to work...of course there is no way for me to be positive...

If you have a local parts dealer in your area...you could try asking them if they would let you see if the 2400+ would work...if they are a nice dealer they will let you try and then buy...

ultimatly the question is do you want to take the chance?

And i cannot help you with that 1...thats totally your decision...

If i put my k6 in a Ferrari it would be faster than your your pentium 4 or Athlon XP :tongue:
August 12, 2003 8:52:49 PM

Well, pIII_man, I really appreciate all your help. You went above and beyond anything I expected and for that I am greatful.

Unless I have to unlock the multiplier on my motherboard, then there is a chance I'll get the 2400. It realy sucks I can't get a straight answer from compaq. I just don't believe that guy. I guess my next job is to find out if the Duron 1300 would fit in my mobo.

Again thanks for all your help.

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August 12, 2003 10:44:36 PM

ok i have done a little reserch on how the multiplyer is implimented on amd cpus...you can have a look <A HREF="http://www.beachlink.com/candjac/Workarounds.htm" target="_new">here</A>...although not a pretty site...it has good information...

I have been lead to beleive that unless you are physically changing the multiplyers (in other words, overclocking) the mobo will be forced to go with what the cpu is writen to do (via bits dictated by 5 diffrent open or closed circuts)...which leads me to tell you with confidence that the mobo does do nothing in the multiplyer selection...the only job of the mobo that relates to cpu speed is the fsb...which i can confidently tell you will be supported...

So now i will say with quite a bit of confidence that your mobo should support the 13x and beyond multiplyers...the cpu will probably be detected as some unknow cpu running at 2ghz...but never the less it will perform like a athlon 2400+... so i say if you have the coin go for the 2200+ or 2400+...Also if you want an even faster CPU look to the athlon MP series...although Multiprocessing enabled...if you are willing to dish out the dough i beleive all MP's use the 266mhz bus and are fully compatable with XP boards (although if you have the dough and want such a fast cpu then you would be better off just getting a new board)...

Ok so a recap...i think that your board will support the 2400+...or any cpu with a 13x or greater multi...

Nice talking to you and please post back with your results!

If i put my k6 in a Ferrari it would be faster than your your pentium 4 or Athlon XP :tongue:
August 13, 2003 2:55:10 AM

Me thinks it's time he dumps that compaq. I could not deal with all that.
August 13, 2003 3:55:19 AM

Silence!

the compaq still has life left in it!

How many bits are in a nibble?
August 13, 2003 4:05:43 AM

4

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August 13, 2003 4:07:49 AM

what?

How many bits are in a nibble?
August 13, 2003 4:08:57 AM

oh yes you are right!

How many bits are in a nibble?
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