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August 16, 2003 2:04:43 AM

Only for Thai version
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August 16, 2003 2:05:23 AM

Oh yeah, finally all of us can get our hands on a Thai version. [/sarcasm]

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August 16, 2003 2:18:45 AM

Must be more users in Thailand the here.
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August 16, 2003 2:20:25 AM

MS is only charging what they can get away with.
If business and individuals did not think MS software was worth it they would buy something else.

Now if lots of gov'ts and institutions used Linux, MS would have to reduce price just to stay alive!!!

Home users have a slightly different option and until XP started the activation business there was more or less a blind eye turned to the home user :wink: .

Who was P.T.Barnum? Didn't he say there's a sucker born every minute? The value of something is what you will pay for it, it is as simple as that.

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August 16, 2003 5:06:40 AM

no doubt the thai version of xp will be cirulating kazaa...


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August 16, 2003 5:37:18 AM

As if the XP PRO ( corp ) US version was not.... Activation ??? hehe
August 16, 2003 5:39:22 AM

try to install sp1...

You still need to crack it...


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August 16, 2003 5:45:23 AM

XP Pro with SP1 integrated and Corporate crack has been on warez channels since about 2 days after SP1 was released! Wow, my friend got his copy around a year ago! And get this: Keys produced by the key generator are more likely than not to work on windows update site! The only way a key gets blacklisted is if it's used by multiple users!

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August 16, 2003 5:55:39 AM

oh well i hacked it the hard way..

anyhow...it is a crappy os anyway...if it has the same features as pervious os's and is slower...there is no point upgrading...long live 2k pro...


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August 16, 2003 6:17:04 AM

I did, no crack, gotta have the right key generator my friend....
August 16, 2003 11:54:21 AM

You said it. Long live 2000 Pro.
August 16, 2003 2:27:13 PM

i heard some games actually run faster on 2003 server
August 16, 2003 3:42:35 PM

I use the OEM version from lenovo,just to change some information in the BIOS of my mainboard.And that's all,I do not need to worry about activation.
August 16, 2003 4:42:14 PM

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You said it. Long live 2000 Pro.

I'd agree with that except that 2000 doesn't support HT. Otherwise I'd still be using it.

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August 16, 2003 5:07:29 PM

i disagree, xp has several features that 2k lacks.

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August 16, 2003 5:35:53 PM

I wouldnt doubt that the thai version will be circulating kazaa like a storm soon but remember bill gates has his many kazaa bots looking for those posting it and has them on your shared folders. Do you think the evil bill gates will sue the poor little kids that are the ones pirating them, you bet he will!!!

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August 16, 2003 8:09:45 PM

Agreed.

XP is tons better than 2000, aside from the solid networking 2000 offers. But that's in Windows XP Network Edition, a.k.a "2003". Upgrading to Windows Server 2003 means you are upgrading to Windows XP in a way.

As for the stupid "Oh but I will lose some performance" BS, who damn cares of 1-2 FPS lost?
Most of the time you get an increase in fact.

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August 16, 2003 9:26:36 PM

not bs...try recomending someone to run xp who has 256 or 128mb of memory? then tell me that xp is only a tad slower...

Now i know you will say who runs that kind of memory on a modern computer...then look at all the dells and compaqs that ship with 128mb of memory...

I should have rephrased...xp pro does have more features...but how many of them does the home user use?

Plz don't call Mt. rainier a feature...that is a very slow burning program...

I suppose you could call the intigrated zip extractor a feature but if you get winace it has that feature built into the send to menu...

Other than that you get networking features and security features which most home users do not use...

Yes i do know that i got xp when i downloaded 2k3 (from microsoft of all places lol)...but that is exactly the reason i got it...a freind of mine wanted me to build them a computer... he did not like xp any more than i did...so i tryed out 2k3 because it supported hyperthreading...

It is a very good os and much leaner than XP...i do not feel like i need to type regedit every few minutes...the only thing i had to mod was to disable some server related services...other than that i had a factory leaned out version of xp...and that was exactly what i wanted and expected...

I have since gone back to 2k... although 2k3 was a nice os...it had some compatability issues...

No versions of notron internet security would run on 2k3...so i went back...other than that i only have good things to say about 2k3...however i could get all of my games running after i reindabled d3d from dxdiag..


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August 17, 2003 12:03:21 AM

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i disagree, xp has several features that 2k lacks.

2000 doesn't eat several hundred megs of disk space for $hitty system restore, and low disk space ballon doesn't pop up in every 2 minute when you have low disk space in a drive. (I know it can be disabled, but not in a easy way).

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August 17, 2003 12:15:48 AM

you can disable it...but why...

i mean you can make XP fast and "lean" but then you are just left with windows 2k with HT support...


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August 17, 2003 1:39:01 AM

i blame ms too...

they simply wanted people to upgrade to XP...

money talks...


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August 17, 2003 2:46:21 AM

In relation to running WinXP Pro Vs Win2K, with an AMD 2700+ Tbred CPU, WinXP Pro is definitely faster dual booting on the same machine with Identical hardrives, but what blew me away was that Win98SE compiling the same video ran steady at 10Fps faster than WinXP Pro, now 10Fps may not seem like a big deal to you, but when you relate it to a 3Hr compiling time period, its a big difference, thats 600Fpm, 36,000Fph, and thats a big difference, its a shame Microsoft didn't just correct and perfect Win98SE instead of throwing it by the wayside.

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August 17, 2003 3:10:05 AM

You sure it does not support HT?
August 17, 2003 3:13:37 AM

To make Micro$ fatter.
August 17, 2003 3:14:48 AM

Congrats on Faithful.
August 17, 2003 4:17:15 AM

thats one of my biggest gripes with 2k, that damn ballon pops up and you cant close it unless you launch the stupid thing its trying to do.

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August 17, 2003 4:23:37 AM

and with xp?

xp has the same exact thing..


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August 17, 2003 5:25:53 AM

NOPE! it has an x so you can close the window

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August 17, 2003 1:53:57 PM

I don't get that with 2000 Pro.
August 17, 2003 7:05:10 PM

well how much disk space do you have?

That pops up in 98 too...


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August 17, 2003 7:52:25 PM

Thier is a easy way around those pop-ups, get the power tools from ms and turn that off. I did that for xp and I know that you can do that with 2000pro.

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August 17, 2003 8:01:59 PM

the "power tools"

can you plz explain...


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August 17, 2003 8:34:47 PM

my point is i log on to hundereds of different comps a week. every one of them defaults to showing that damn balloon when theres an update. and no im not going to disable automatic updates on every computer, it was set to on when i updated them to sp3. you can recomend links to little utilities till your blue in the face but that will not change the fact that xp already has those issues covered! <end rant>

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August 17, 2003 9:21:32 PM

when you do an upgrade it will ask you if you want to use the auto update. So your issue is your on fault. Also you get to choose with upgrades you want, you did not have to choose the auto update And lastly you could have choosen to set the auto update to just download the updates with out asking. I was only giving that infomation to the people who where having the pop-up for low disk space. I was getting that and I did not like it so I got the power toys to turn that off. I never said anything about your update problem, that is what I call an user error.

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August 17, 2003 9:45:00 PM

i agree it is very easy to remove the auto update notification...


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August 17, 2003 11:55:19 PM

Have you installed SP4?
August 18, 2003 12:08:40 AM

do not attempt to make me out to be a fool. the pop up i was getting about auto updates was turned on by default by sp3. yes, you can turn it off but im not going to do that on 1500 computers. every computer i log on to as admin trys to do that damn update.

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August 18, 2003 12:11:25 AM

no. we were going to be doing that last week but that worm made a mess of things

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August 18, 2003 12:20:07 AM

hmm in 2k3 i had a partition that was 99% full...and i got no such notifications in 2k3...i bet there is a way to turn of the notification...but why bother if 2k works...


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August 18, 2003 1:08:47 AM

2kpro all the way.
August 18, 2003 2:42:12 AM

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not bs...try recomending someone to run xp who has 256 or 128mb of memory?

Point being you could have easily told me that when Windows 95 went out and we had less RAM than recommended, when Win 98 came out, when Windows 2000 came out. WindowsXP is just another normal evolution of more memory, so I think your point is moot.

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then look at all the dells and compaqs that ship with 128mb of memory...

True but those are Surfer comps. You don't game on them, you use the net and edit docs. I myself can't even begin to believe there are sad people out there who use 128MB on WinXP, but I will have to concede to the fact that it's enough for surfing and e-mail. (Dell does NOT sell high-ends with 128MB!)
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but how many of them does the home user use?


I'm quite an advanced user, but I enjoy the fast connectivity for a Digital Camera. If I don't want to open my Canon program, XP will detect right at the moment I connect the cable, and ask me if I want to use its built-in picture downloading, fast and easy.
Point being there are MANY features people use with XP, and I've seen it all in action.

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Other than that you get networking features and security features which most home users do not use

The built-in Firewall is a good basic way to let home users feel safe without tweaking anything.
Additionally WinXP has the easiest network connectivity by far, especially for DSL. DSL users will know what I mean. I don't need to install no more Access Managers from my DSL Company, WinXP has it all and it's 2-3 times faster to connect too! Plus the internet and downloading is faster in general.
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so i tryed out 2k3 because it supported hyperthreading...

Um not to disappoint but I believe Windows XP Pro has HT in it, you're a big fool if you got Win 2003 JUST for HT! :eek: 
EDIT: On second thought I reread what you said. You didn't want XP so you went for 2003. Ok, but still, like I said, 2003 is exactly XP but with networking features, so it was still silly to go for the same functioning OS just for HT.

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it had some compatability issues

Pretty much any NT OS made for server purposes will. From what I remember, and I could be wrong, but Win 2000 Advanced server (basically the one that supports huge amounts of servers and comes with a full blown kit of networking features) DOES also have compatibility issues in general with home user apps and games.
Win 2000 PRO doesn't.

I just wanted you to realize you either did not take your time to experience it, or you are just not being completely open to the whole concept of Windows XP. 2003 is exactly XP but with Windows 2000's excellent networking features.

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August 18, 2003 2:44:10 AM

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and low disk space ballon doesn't pop up in every 2 minute when you have low disk space in a drive.

Well boohoo, get a better drive or enlarge your partition!

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2000 doesn't eat several hundred megs of disk space for $hitty system restore

Do me a favor and say next time "In my opinion", because your statement is subjective, and there are tons, like me, who use SysRestore or keep it on. It sure as heck saved me tons of times. As for it eating space, you can disable it or allocate a specific amount, so stop whining about space! :tongue:

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August 18, 2003 2:45:40 AM

Windows 2000 can USE an HT CPU, but HT will kill it, making it up to 50% slower in some applications.
It is strongly suggested not to use it with it.
Besides, if you buy an HT P4, chances are you're a high-end user, and chances are you have Windows XP or Windows 2003.

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August 18, 2003 2:46:46 AM

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True.

*blames M$ for not releasing a HT patch for Win2000*

Considering you hate Intel and don't want to buy any of their products, I have to say you're kind of screwing yourself with such a statement that doesn't concern you! LOL!

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August 18, 2003 3:08:01 AM

Plz don't try to make me out as a dumbass, who said i bought 2k3...

AFAIK even the 8XXX series of dells ship with 256mb of memory...and those are considered by 99% of users top of the line...and still have less than 512mb which by most is considered min. for XP

Why does XP have to hog so many resorces? That is my point it is extremely unecissary...especially since it has so much in common with 2k...i have run 2k on systems with 64mb of memory and it ran just as fast as 98...

Again the top of the line dells ship with 256 which is too little for xp IMO...

Fine there are some features...i guess you are right...but i don't feel like that justifies XP being such a bloated OS...that seems to constantly access the internet...i don't like that...i feel like M$ is playing big brother on us...just download a firewall and see how often it accesses the internet (open help for example)

Haha...you are calling the firewall a feature...fact of the matter it is weak and nothing more than a placebo (spelling?)...i have even seen instances that it interferes with other installed firewalls...

eden you do not need to judge my actions...really...what you think is silly i may think is logical...i do not like the fact that you are trying to make me look like a jackass just because i have a diffrent preferance of OS's than you...i relise that xp is simular to 2k3 and if you had read my posts you would know why i went for it...but obviously you would rather put down than read...so flame away...you are just wasting your time...

2k3 only had compatability issues with 1 program that i used...all of the other games worked after i enabled direct 3d from dxdiag...

I am aware of my actions (duh thats why i spent the time to format and reistall!)...again...i wanted a pre tweaked os without all of xp's crap and that is what i got...


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