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HardWareBoss   09-10-2003 at 10:39:45 PM

Using 1100 G5'S Now talk about attidude problems. That will blow up the whole Virginia Tech Campus. What a way to go.

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cdpage   09-10-2003 at 10:56:39 PM
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LOL

yea i kinda thought that that ad was pretty dumb. Its not what Apple should be doing. they need a differnt aproach.

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imgod2u   09-10-2003 at 11:49:45 PM
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I'm not familiar with the details but are they just putting 1100 PPC 970 processors together or actually using Apple's overpriced G5 boxes? If the former, I'm kind of happy to see such a good processor be put to good use, if the latter, well, UV has enough money I suppose, who cares if they got ripped off.

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HardWareBoss   09-11-2003 at 01:40:03 AM
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The new articule is on HardOCP.

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Mephistopheles   09-11-2003 at 04:45:58 AM
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I think that putting together 1100 Itanium 2s at 1.4Ghz and for $1100 each CPU would probably cost less and churn out more data... if they are smart enough to change compilers once in a while! Plus, talk about scaling. G5 boxes will probably scale poorly, and you IA-64 could always be arranged as 275 nodes of 4 processors each and an amount of memory so absurd that it would make G5s shy. (Apple touts "up to a whopping 8GB"; each Itanium 2 4 processor-node can hold up to 128GB... I hope they are merely using 1100 PPC 970 processors and scaling them with some specific tech... Even so, the PPC970 is not that robust, anyway.

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Mephistopheles   09-11-2003 at 04:49:17 AM
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Oh my... just checked. They're indeed getting 1100 G5 boxes. That sounds stupid. What kind of scaling technology are they considering? A network? My god... Maybe I'm overlooking something... I hope I am...

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eden   09-11-2003 at 05:13:51 AM
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Yeh, I wonder how scalable are their MP setups, compared to HT Opterons and Itanium 2 servers with near-perfect scalability!

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imgod2u   09-11-2003 at 06:33:06 AM
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Well, if they're doing rendering clusters or distributed computing, it could scale very well as the data sets would be almost entirely in cache and definitely entirely in memory. Of course, even so, those machines probably would've cost more total than a couple of SGI Altix or HP Superdomes and those would've put out more results.

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slvr_phoenix   09-11-2003 at 04:27:46 PM
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Okay, it's a supercomputer of G5s.

The question should be: Is that a win for Apple or a Win for IBM?

I mean it <i>is</i> an IBM chip in there. Would we call a supercomputer of Itaniums a win for HP just because they were the OEM that put the machines together, or a win for Intel because they're the ones who made the technology?

Something to think about.

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shadus   09-11-2003 at 08:37:49 PM
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Mac Supercomputer - Definition - Oxymoron.

Shadus

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HardWareBoss   09-11-2003 at 10:27:24 PM
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Ok do we have to be techno or not?

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cdpage   09-12-2003 at 09:19:13 PM
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it doens't realy matter... Intel and HP would win... and IBM and Apple would win...

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cdpage   09-12-2003 at 09:19:15 PM
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it doens't realy matter... Intel and HP would win... and IBM and Apple would win...

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americanflats   09-13-2003 at 10:33:41 PM
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"The G5 is not that robust anyway"

Ummmm....ok.

Have any of you actually read the reasons that the G5 was chosen?

Have you any idea what kind of FPU performance they are going to get with this system, which is what the G5 excels at and is what scientific applications call for?

I don't understand the blind hatred people show towards Apple, do you people show the same vitriol towards toaster makers or car companys?

It's just a computer, people, and if you have actually researched or read the reasons that VTU chose the G5, it came down to **shocker** price and performance.

I use both platforms, but lately some of the PC crowd are more zealous and pompous than the Mac crowd is.



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americanflats   09-13-2003 at 10:40:10 PM
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"Mac Supercomputer - Definition - Oxymoron."


For anyone who actually cares about objectivity, vs. platform bigotry, here's some objective, neutral benchmarks on an UN-OPTIMIZED G5, used in a type of scenario which is completely relevant to the Virginia Tech situation:

http://members.cox.net/craig.hunter/g5/



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simwiz2   09-14-2003 at 12:46:13 AM
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I didn't read the whole article, but the chart shows a P4 2.66 on par with a G5 2 GHz.

IIRC the 2 GHz is Apple's fastest, while P4 is available up to 3.2 GHz.

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americanflats   09-14-2003 at 01:18:10 AM
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"I didn't read the whole article, but the chart shows a P4 2.66 on par with a G5 2 GHz.

IIRC the 2 GHz is Apple's fastest, while P4 is available up to 3.2 GHz."


Quite true, however that just brings up a couple of relevant factors mentioned in the study.

Since the G5 was so new, the code was not optimized, and he estimated that optimized code would bring up the G5 another 20% or so (bringing the single G5 2.0 very close in performance to the single P4 3.2).

IBM has also released a new compiler for the G5 which brings up the speed on an order of anywhere from 60 to 120 percent.....the G5 hasn't even come close to having it's potential tapped yet.

Now extrapolate the performance of the Dual G5, and you have a clear winner, and the P4 is not capable of multiple processsors (you have to go to the Xeon).


The point I'm trying to make here is that the G5 is a very strong chip, and the reason it was chosen for the VTU cluster was based on price/performance.

"It's just a computer platform, people!"

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reever2   09-14-2003 at 03:37:27 AM
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http://forumz.tomshardware.com/har [...] 928#151928

Not trying to start any wars there are you, you damn hypocrite?

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americanflats   09-14-2003 at 03:56:05 AM
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>>>Not trying to start any wars there are you, you damn hypocrite?<<<


Again, like I said in that thread, if you have something positive to contribute, then please do so.

You do know that you can debate and discuss differences without resorting to swearing and insults, don't you?

Some people are capable of discussing the relative merits of Macs and PC's without getting into personal insults and flames.






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americanflats   09-14-2003 at 03:59:29 AM
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"It's just a computer platform, people!"

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cdpage   09-15-2003 at 05:26:01 AM
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hey americanflats figure you seem very adimit about Macs...

thought that <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/community/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=32459#32459" target="_new">this poll</A> could use your Vote and you could get a good feel for who feels what in here about the apple and the G5

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