P4 Xtreme edition LOL..

Pirox · Sep 16, 2003

Intel don't give up ya know. ANyways..since the A64FX has been derived from a server chip as a source INTEL decided to play the same game with p4 XE. So its more like an Xeon MP: See <A HREF="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11576" target="_new">here</A>

Although i must say its a nice move. AMD didnt see this coming. It also tells us that INTEL is a bit worried about the press opteron has been having lately.

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HardWareBoss · Sep 16, 2003

Looks good on paper lets see some bench results. How much $!!!!!

imgod2u · Sep 16, 2003

This doesn't make any sense at all. Have they completely lost their minds? 2MB of L3 cache would eat away at costs and they can't possibly expect to sell it for $1500 per chip. Not to mention exactly how much performance improvement 2MB of L3 cache will gain anyway, which probably isn't much on desktop applications.

"We are Microsoft, resistance is futile." - Bill Gates, 2015.

lxccl · Sep 17, 2003

+2mb of L2 Cache not L3 for P4XE

imgod2u · Sep 17, 2003

The link didn't mention it was L2, it only compared the extra cache to the XeonMP's, which have 2MB of L3 cache.

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ad_rach · Sep 17, 2003

It is indeed L3.<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.html?i=1870" target="_new">Anand says so.</A>

no matter how hard you try, you can't polish a turd. :]Edited by ad_rach on 09/16/03 07:48 PM.

kinney · Sep 17, 2003

Its a sign of fear within Intel thats for sure, their trying to steal their thunder.
Though just looking at this CPU initially, I'm still more interested in the A64.
If this beats the A64 in 32bit, 64bit and is cheaper than I'd buy one, but somehow I doubt it will.

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vacs · Sep 17, 2003

Just in time to steal the show to AMD...?

Bahumut · Sep 17, 2003

This new chip won't boost Intel's performance very much unless Intel has made other core changes, which it appears they haven't.
The Xeons are so closely related to the P4s that a comparison of their trends is usually quite accurate. Example: P4 gets a large performance boost by pushing the FSB to 533. What do you know, when the Xeons did the same they got a large performance boost as well.

The larger L3 cache did virtually nothing for the Xeon's performance in testing right here at Tom's. Even if the P4 did implement L2 cache, according to intel, latency is still double digit figure (in ns) like the L3 cache, in Intels processors. So there wouldn't be a whole lot of performance gains there either.

All they've really done is create an object to market, which they can do very well. It will save them in the general consumer, if by save you mean keep them from dropping under … of the consumer market. However, I doubt informed buyers will find any more need for it than they find for the new Xeons with the extra L3 cache. I could be wrong, this may be the fastest processor ever to have graced the planet, but I doubt it.

Intel don't give up ya know. ANyways..since the A64FX has been derived from a server chip as a source INTEL decided to play the same game with p4 XE. So its more like an Xeon MP

I think Intel added the extra cache to the P4 because they added it to the Xeons. The core designs are nearly identical and this would require little R&D to pull off. It was a logical money saving step to take.

I don't think they did it so that they could be like AMD and have a processor based on a server processor. Besides, the Xeons were based on P4s in the first place.

You'll know Intel is worried if Intel developes a consumer variant of the Itanium series processors.

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Crashman · Sep 17, 2003

Yes, and here's a funny thing: Intel probably knows more about A64 performance than any of us do, including news/review sites! So this type of fear would indicate that all their industrial intel really DOES believe the A64 will be a performance monster, something I was a bit skeptical of myself. So with this information in hand, I have one recommendation: BUY STOCK IN AMD!!! It should cause a radical upswing in AMD's value, the way the Athlon did, as long as it sells big early on.

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traviss187 · Sep 17, 2003

yes buy the stock of the company that LOSES money... sound fanacial advise.
just because of how long it takes to produce a chip, even with only slight changes, I doubt this was a last minute decision over at intel.. not to say it couldn't be have been made to take away for the a64 release, but it could also have been planned as something to release in case the a64 got delayed again so they could hold off on prescott and now that the 64 is coming out they might as well release it if they designed it.

Crashman · Sep 17, 2003

I told everyone to buy ATI stock, and look how that did? I told everyone to buy AMD at the Athlon intro for $14 a share, and when it shot up to $76 I told everyone to sell it. It jumped to over 80, then split, then fell like a rock.

If you had bought ATI stock at $4 a share and sold it at $12 a share, you would have trippled your money.

AMD was in hemoraging red ink during their big stock rally, caused by the building of their new plant in Germany! In fact, just a couple month earlier their investors SUED them for spending too much money on development!

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Crashman · Sep 17, 2003

I should also say that if you think in terms of "long term" investments when it comes to tech stocks, you have no grasp of the market, you're not going to make much money, and your advice is therefore less sound than mine! It's all about predicting sales projections when it comes to predicting stock swings in tech stocks. By the time you get SOLID numbers, the surge has already run it's course!

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jmecor · Sep 17, 2003

i think it has 2MB L3 Cache and 512KB of L2 cache.
Make that a total of 2.5MB cache overall.

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Then you must be born UPSIDE DOWN.Edited by jmecor on 09/17/03 04:09 AM.

jmecor · Sep 17, 2003

yep. they shocked me with this information i've just got earlier ago from the inquirer.
I'm just curious about the price of the P4 Extreme.

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Then you must be born UPSIDE DOWN.

traviss187 · Sep 17, 2003

explain that to the people who bought microsoft 15 years ago, or 7 years ago, I'm going to college on microsoft stock, that wasn't a good investment?? I bought intel many years ago... made a nice profit on that, bought dell, making 25% on that. Tech stocks can be short or longterm investments depending on what you do with them. and have you looked at amd's long term earnings projections... ouch

spud · Sep 17, 2003

Its all about the dividents man who the [-peep-] cares about the stock sales. You loose share value by just looking at AMD they have been in the red for a few years now. Bad fiscal dicision.

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FallOutBoyTonto · Sep 17, 2003

jmecor wrote:
I'm just curious about the price of the P4 Extreme.

<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.html?i=1870" target="_new">AnandTech just got some pricing info on the P4 HT EE.</A>

AnandTech wrote:
We are hearing that the processor will be priced around $740 in 1,000 unit quantities.

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HardWareBoss · Sep 17, 2003

I will not be the first to buy one. Poopey will buy one first.

Crashman · Sep 18, 2003

You could double or tripple your money in months buying tech stocks when they are undervalued and selling them when they are over valued. You can't compare 15 years ago to modern day, but I can tell you that it would take YEARS to double your money based on Microsoft's dividends.

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Crashman · Sep 18, 2003

You're another person who would [-peep-] yourself over this whole thing of "long term investing" then. You have no concept of "buy low, sell high", the fast rout to money in the stock market.

I'm trying to clue you guys in. People buy stocks like AMD and ATI based on EXPECTED earnings. Their trying to get in early. But by the time they see news that tells them the stock is surging, it's already in mid swing! They have no clue!

When they buy these stocks, the value climbs more, and it's a good way to take their money, buying before they do and selling before they do.

I haven't failed yet on any of these predictions. AMD stock value will climb based on anticipated sales increases, unless something unusually bad happens to the company.

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Groveling_Wyrm · Sep 18, 2003

Sorry to say it, but I actually disagree with you (for the very first time, ever!) on that idea Crashman. If you ask any REAL stock broker, you would hear the answer, "Buy for the tong term, sell for the short term".

At this time, buying AMD stock would be known as "Profit-taking" and would actually devalue (hurt) AMD's stock when it peaks. Everyone who IS profit-taking will sell off their shares, possibly causing "Stock Shock" and a possible sell-off, devaluing the price sooner than it would otherwise. What happens when millions of people profit-take on thousands of companies, at the same time? It happened in 1929...

And the "Buy low, sell high" idea works in theory, as long as you are right. But what happens when you are wrong, and you have (or someone you advise has) invested everything into it, all because you have never been wrong before?

 Ok, so you have to put your "2 cents" in, but its value is only "A penny's worth". Who gets that extra penny?

spud · Sep 18, 2003

Buy low sell high usually only works for new companies because they have the free capital to actually pay you your stock value, AMD is far from that. Tech stocks just aren’t worth it anymore. I lost a lot of money in March 2000, and I am still trying to recover that loss.

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TknD · Sep 18, 2003

FYI... about a month or half a month ago (not too sure) AMD's stock was ~8.

It's currently 12.50 with all the success stories around opteron and probably the hype with a64.

Forbes also posted a "monday matchup" where AMD was the underdog strugling against massive intel. They showed numbers of profits, cash, etc. With the wide gap in those numbers, it's pretty amazing how AMD is still able to pull this stuff off against such a dominant company (intel).

Crashman · Sep 18, 2003

Love the nick! Well, the fact remains that thousands of people WILL be "profit taking" on AMD shares, or at least trying to. What will happen is this: AMD will release the new processor. People will but the stock, the value will increase by a small amount. Others will see the value climbing and jump on. And here's the kicker: a whole BUNCH of people will jump on near the peak, most of them will loose big money!

My dad lost lots of money following stock broker's recommendations. So far I've been right!

I would never recommend putting all your eggs in one basket. But if the stock fails to surge, what do you stand to loose? Look at their long term values. AMD is low right now. Barring their bankruptcy, you can't loose very much money, but you could gain a whole lot of money.

That is to say, if they drop to 10 and don't recover, you loose 20%. Fat chance the value won't recover, but still...

Now, if the processor launches sucessfully, you stand to gain 100-200%.

I feel kind of sorry for everyone who took my advice to buy AMD when it was 14, but decided to wait and see, then bought it at 50 and hung on to it too long...but then again I didn't say buy at 50, I said buy at 14. In fact, I told my own father than anything under 18 would be a steal!

I told a guy to buy ATI at 8, and he did. Poor guy, that was right before the 2001 market crash. It stayed around 4 for a long time (give or take .5). I told him to ride it out and sell it at 14. I don't think he listened...

In fact, when I saw it at around 3.50 a share, I told him to buy MORE! But he didn't think I had any credibility after seeing the drop. Hey, I can't predict short term disasters, but they did recover like I said they would. 8 to 14 is a 50% gain, what other investment pays 50% in 3 years?

I reserve my recommendations to family members to "sure things" so I didn't mention the 8 dollar deal to my Dad. But he also noticed the $3.50 price and was harshing me on it, that's when I told HIM to buy! And what other investment would have gotten him 300% gains in a few months?

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P4 Xtreme edition LOL..

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