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May 10, 2004 10:59:48 PM

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I have a Dell Dimension 8100 currently running Windows ME, which I'm
planning on upgrading to XP using an upgrade edition of either XP Home or XP
Pro (probably not bought from Dell). I've been doing a little internet
research in preparation, but there are still a few issues I haven't found
definitive answers to. Can anyone give me some advice on the following?

1) Updating the BIOS - is this really necessary? Dell's XP prep tool tells
me I have BIOS version A07 and that I need to update it (although it doesn't
tell me what to update it to). I'm very wary of BIOS updates and would
rather not do it unless it's vital. What problems can I expect if I upgrade
to XP leaving my BIOS at version A07?

2) If I do a clean install from an upgrade version of XP it will ask for my
previous OS CD to prove that I qualify for the upgrade. Will the
"Reinstallation CD" provided by Dell suffice for this?

3) Software - Will the Dell Installed WinDVD 2000 version 3.0, Adaptec Easy
CD 4.04_d10 and DirectCD 3.04_d10 work on XP? If not are there updates that
will allow them to do so?

4) Are there any other issues I should be aware of? My system:

Dell Dimension 8100
1.7GHz Pentium IV
256MB 800MHz Rambus RDRAM
60GB Turbo Hard Drive (7200 RPM)
Dell P791 UltraScan 17" Trinitron monitor
64MB DDR NVIDIA GeForce3 4xAGP
16x DVDROM
12x IDE CD-RW
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card
Harman Kardon 695 speakers
Dell V90 56k Lucent Win Modem
3Com 3C920 Integrated Fast Ethernet Controller (3C905C-TX Compatible)

I've downloaded XP drivers for most of these from Dell's site (although I've
yet to find one for the modem - could this be a problem?)

Any Dell-specific advice on performing this upgrade, or comments from anyone
who has done the same on a similar system, would be most welcome!

Thanks.
Anonymous
May 10, 2004 10:59:49 PM

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"Nobody" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

>I have a Dell Dimension 8100 currently running Windows ME, which I'm
>planning on upgrading to XP using an upgrade edition of either XP Home or XP
>Pro (probably not bought from Dell). I've been doing a little internet
>research in preparation, but there are still a few issues I haven't found
>definitive answers to. Can anyone give me some advice on the following?

>1) Updating the BIOS - is this really necessary? Dell's XP prep tool tells
>me I have BIOS version A07 and that I need to update it (although it doesn't
>tell me what to update it to). I'm very wary of BIOS updates and would
>rather not do it unless it's vital. What problems can I expect if I upgrade
>to XP leaving my BIOS at version A07?

If you have a BB connection, go to

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/upgradi...

for the Windows Upgrade Advisor.

It will run on your machine and tell you whether or not your
current BIOS is OK, as well as looking at everything else on your
machine to tell you of driver updates, program patches, etc.,
needed.

>2) If I do a clean install from an upgrade version of XP it will ask for my
>previous OS CD to prove that I qualify for the upgrade. Will the
>"Reinstallation CD" provided by Dell suffice for this?

It will.

>3) Software - Will the Dell Installed WinDVD 2000 version 3.0, Adaptec Easy
>CD 4.04_d10 and DirectCD 3.04_d10 work on XP? If not are there updates that
>will allow them to do so?

>4) Are there any other issues I should be aware of? My system:

>Dell Dimension 8100
>1.7GHz Pentium IV
>256MB 800MHz Rambus RDRAM
>60GB Turbo Hard Drive (7200 RPM)
>Dell P791 UltraScan 17" Trinitron monitor
>64MB DDR NVIDIA GeForce3 4xAGP
>16x DVDROM
>12x IDE CD-RW
>Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card
>Harman Kardon 695 speakers
>Dell V90 56k Lucent Win Modem
>3Com 3C920 Integrated Fast Ethernet Controller (3C905C-TX Compatible)

is fine, and although XP, Home or Pro will do OK in 256MB [I ran
Pro for a year with it], you will notice a difference with an
upgrade to 512MB [at least I certainly did.]

>I've downloaded XP drivers for most of these from Dell's site (although I've
>yet to find one for the modem - could this be a problem?)

The modem on my DL733r had no problems, and that was older than
your 8100. ;->

>Any Dell-specific advice on performing this upgrade, or comments from anyone
>who has done the same on a similar system, would be most welcome!

Look carefully at the "decision list" for Home vs Pro on the MS
XP web site. I went Pro primarily because telecommuting required
me to be able to set up a Domain to connect to a work-site
network, rather than going with a basic workgroup as my home
network had been. I have never used any off the other features
Pro offers that Home doesn't. But you might need one of them.
--
OJ III
[Email sent to Yahoo address is burned before reading.
Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast.]
Anonymous
May 10, 2004 10:59:49 PM

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1. You should upgrade to the latest BIOS, which you can find on Dell's web
site, before you upgrade to XP.You can expect no problems from a BIOS
upgrade if you are careful to follow the directions and have a UPS.

2. Yes - no problem.

3. You'll need to upgrade to XP-compatible versions of all your software and
drivers. Drivers are available from the hardware manufacturers' web sites.
You may have to purchase upgraded software. Adaptec Easy CD Creator was
purchased by Roxio and is now in version 7 (Roxio Easy Media 7). However,
if you can find Roxio Easy CD Creator 5, that will work fine with XP. You
should obtain the program update from Roxio's web site.

I don't use WinDVD so I can't help you there.

4. Dell has tons of good information on their web site that will help you
through the upgrade. Check out the Knowledge Base and don't forget the Dell
Community Forums. Here's something to start you off:

"Upgrade Your Operating System"
http://support.dell.com/upgrades/OperatingSystem.aspx

Here are two things you need to know:
1. Backup every file and folder that is important to you before you start.
Backing up is like kissing - the more you do it, the better you feel.
2. Don't upgrade over a problem - if your ME installation is not stable and
reliable, upgrading will not cure the problems and might even make them
worse. Do a clean install instead.

You're someone who likes to prepare well, and for that reason I predict a
smooth and successful experience.

Rocky

"Nobody" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> I have a Dell Dimension 8100 currently running Windows ME, which I'm
> planning on upgrading to XP using an upgrade edition of either XP Home or
XP
> Pro (probably not bought from Dell). I've been doing a little internet
> research in preparation, but there are still a few issues I haven't found
> definitive answers to. Can anyone give me some advice on the following?
>
> 1) Updating the BIOS - is this really necessary? Dell's XP prep tool
tells
> me I have BIOS version A07 and that I need to update it (although it
doesn't
> tell me what to update it to). I'm very wary of BIOS updates and would
> rather not do it unless it's vital. What problems can I expect if I
upgrade
> to XP leaving my BIOS at version A07?
>
> 2) If I do a clean install from an upgrade version of XP it will ask for
my
> previous OS CD to prove that I qualify for the upgrade. Will the
> "Reinstallation CD" provided by Dell suffice for this?
>
> 3) Software - Will the Dell Installed WinDVD 2000 version 3.0, Adaptec
Easy
> CD 4.04_d10 and DirectCD 3.04_d10 work on XP? If not are there updates
that
> will allow them to do so?
>
> 4) Are there any other issues I should be aware of? My system:
>
> Dell Dimension 8100
> 1.7GHz Pentium IV
> 256MB 800MHz Rambus RDRAM
> 60GB Turbo Hard Drive (7200 RPM)
> Dell P791 UltraScan 17" Trinitron monitor
> 64MB DDR NVIDIA GeForce3 4xAGP
> 16x DVDROM
> 12x IDE CD-RW
> Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card
> Harman Kardon 695 speakers
> Dell V90 56k Lucent Win Modem
> 3Com 3C920 Integrated Fast Ethernet Controller (3C905C-TX Compatible)
>
> I've downloaded XP drivers for most of these from Dell's site (although
I've
> yet to find one for the modem - could this be a problem?)
>
> Any Dell-specific advice on performing this upgrade, or comments from
anyone
> who has done the same on a similar system, would be most welcome!
>
> Thanks.
>
>
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Anonymous
May 10, 2004 10:59:49 PM

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"Nobody" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> I have a Dell Dimension 8100 currently running Windows ME, which I'm
> planning on upgrading to XP using an upgrade edition of either XP Home or
XP
> Pro (probably not bought from Dell). I've been doing a little internet
> research in preparation, but there are still a few issues I haven't found
> definitive answers to. Can anyone give me some advice on the following?
>
> 1) Updating the BIOS - is this really necessary? Dell's XP prep tool
tells
> me I have BIOS version A07 and that I need to update it (although it
doesn't
> tell me what to update it to). I'm very wary of BIOS updates and would
> rather not do it unless it's vital. What problems can I expect if I
upgrade
> to XP leaving my BIOS at version A07?


I'd think you should be fine. The prep/evaluation tools have been known to
be in error regarding this. (see Dim XPS B)


>
> 2) If I do a clean install from an upgrade version of XP it will ask for
my
> previous OS CD to prove that I qualify for the upgrade. Will the
> "Reinstallation CD" provided by Dell suffice for this?

Yes.


>
> 3) Software - Will the Dell Installed WinDVD 2000 version 3.0, Adaptec
Easy
> CD 4.04_d10 and DirectCD 3.04_d10 work on XP? If not are there updates
that
> will allow them to do so?

I'd expect so. You may want the DVD software added, but Window XP has it's
own native CD burning rom, a form of Roxio (formerly adaptec).


>
> 4) Are there any other issues I should be aware of? My system:

It would be nice if you had at least 512mb of RAM, but 256mb will certainly
work. Be prepared to find the device driver for the "e-support" button on
your system's front panel.

>
> Dell Dimension 8100
> 1.7GHz Pentium IV
> 256MB 800MHz Rambus RDRAM
> 60GB Turbo Hard Drive (7200 RPM)
> Dell P791 UltraScan 17" Trinitron monitor
> 64MB DDR NVIDIA GeForce3 4xAGP
> 16x DVDROM
> 12x IDE CD-RW
> Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card
> Harman Kardon 695 speakers
> Dell V90 56k Lucent Win Modem
> 3Com 3C920 Integrated Fast Ethernet Controller (3C905C-TX Compatible)
>
> I've downloaded XP drivers for most of these from Dell's site (although
I've
> yet to find one for the modem - could this be a problem?)

WinXP is outstanding in providing native drivers for most installed devices.
I would, however, disconnect all external hardware other than monitor, kb,
and mouse during the install.

>
> Any Dell-specific advice on performing this upgrade, or comments from
anyone
> who has done the same on a similar system, would be most welcome!

I can think of at least one user here who's running a Dim8100 here with XP
and is very pleased with it.

Good luck and enjoy. Celebrate your freedom from WinMe.....


Stew
Anonymous
May 11, 2004 1:37:48 AM

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"Nobody" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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I am running an 8100 in dual boot configuration, booting both XP and ME.

> 1) Updating the BIOS

B8100 09.exe is the latest bios flash for ME
B81XPP2.exe is the latest for XP

I ran A09 after installing XP for a long time without issues on either OS.
Eventually, I flashed up to X2 and it works fine for both OSs as well. I
would go ahead and flash up to X2 BIOS after you have run XP a while. You
may want to flash up to A09 before you start. As I said A09 and X2 both
worked well here.

You will probably want to verify that you are in possession the latest
chipset, USB, Lucent and 3Com and Turtle Beach XP drivers as well. Check
the Dell site. As someone else stated, XP is very good at identifying and
installing native MS drivers for your hardware. It's just good to have the
Dell OEM stuff on hand if needed. My Nvidia gave me now issues, however,
running windows update on XP for the first time did offer a up new
software.driver update which I took.

> 2) If I do a clean install from an upgrade version of XP it will ask for
my
> previous OS CD to prove that I qualify for the upgrade. Will the
> "Reinstallation CD" provided by Dell suffice for this?

Yes. This is no problem.

> 3) Software - Will the Dell Installed WinDVD 2000 version 3.0, Adaptec
Easy
> CD 4.04_d10 and DirectCD 3.04_d10 work on XP? If not are there updates
that
> will allow them to do so?

Yes. They will work fine. The only proviso is that if you were doing an
upgrade, as opposed to a clean install, you would need to uninstall the
Adaptec/Roxio programs, install XP, and reinstall Adeotec/Rocio. Since you
are doing a clean install, always a good idea, this will be done
automagically.

> 4) Are there any other issues I should be aware of? My system:

I had an issue with needing new software for my Soundbaster Live card but
you are running Turtle Beach so you should be OK.

> Any Dell-specific advice on performing this upgrade, or comments from
anyone
> who has done the same on a similar system, would be most welcome!

Have a good time with it. My install was complicated somewhat by
partitioning and dual boot issues, and still it was no problem. You will
like XP I think. Spend the extra bucks and go for Pro. I went with Home and
it is very limited with respect to certain networking issues. I have come to
regret that decision and will be upgrading to Pro soon.

Good Luck!

--
"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know
about yourself. ~ Lois McMaster Bujold, "A Civil Campaign" - 1999

Bernard F. Corson BFCorsonNO@SPAMatt.net
Anonymous
May 11, 2004 2:20:06 AM

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My Dimension 8100 appears quite similar to yours, but must be older because
the BIOS version is only around A05 - I'm on my laptop right now. I did
not upgrade the BIOS because I went with dual booting and was afraid the XP
BIOS update might interfer with the WinME functioning. All ran fine with
WinXP with that BIOS that I have never updated.

I did a clean install of WinXP and used a free Adaptec update they had on
their web site. I was then using Norton AV and I think it might have
required an update (but that was a couple years ago).

Other than possibly needing to update some software, all should be fine. I
have been so pleased with WinXP on the Dimension 8100, that I have removed
the WinME and Linux installations that I also had there.

I'm on a cable modem, so can't comment on the WinModem - it seems like I
have heard of problems with WinXP and WinModems, but I may be mistaken, or
that may have been resolved well before now.

--
Tom McCune
My PGP Page & FAQ: http://www.McCune.cc/PGP.htm
May 12, 2004 1:06:41 AM

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"Bernard F. Corson" <BFCorsonNO@SPAMatt.net> wrote in message
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> You will probably want to verify that you are in possession the latest
> chipset, USB, Lucent and 3Com and Turtle Beach XP drivers as well.

It hadn't occurred to me to look for chipset and USB drivers! I can't find
any chipset drivers for XP, or any USB drivers at all, on Dell's site
though. What should I be searching for? There doesn't seem to be a driver
for my P791 monitor either - the nearest I can find is P792.

> Have a good time with it. My install was complicated somewhat by
> partitioning and dual boot issues, and still it was no problem. You will
> like XP I think. Spend the extra bucks and go for Pro. I went with Home
and
> it is very limited with respect to certain networking issues. I have come
to
> regret that decision and will be upgrading to Pro soon.

Something I'm thinking about doing in the future is setting up a simple home
network (only two PCs sharing a printer and internet connection). Would Pro
be beneficial for that?
Anonymous
May 12, 2004 1:06:42 AM

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"Nobody" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

>"Bernard F. Corson" <BFCorsonNO@SPAMatt.net> wrote

>> You will probably want to verify that you are in possession the latest
>> chipset, USB, Lucent and 3Com and Turtle Beach XP drivers as well.

>It hadn't occurred to me to look for chipset and USB drivers! I can't find
>any chipset drivers for XP, or any USB drivers at all, on Dell's site
>though

Speaking to the chipset drivers, FWIW I've installed XP Home and
Pro, one of each, on two Dimension L733rs, without sweating the
chipset drivers or any problems. I know, apples and oranges, but
they're roughly the same, or an earlier, generation than the
8100.

I can't stress enough that MS compatibility checking program you
can download from MS, and that comes on the XP disk. It really
will tell you if your current /something/ driver needs an update
or not. It even identified that the Dell somethingwatch program
[you hit a special key and it automagically did something
support-ish - never used it] on the L733r wouldn't work unless
updated. No update needed, Dell had ditched the program. ;->
More important, it did ID that I'd need an updated driver for my
video card.
--
OJ III
[Email sent to Yahoo address is burned before reading.
Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast.]
Anonymous
May 12, 2004 1:06:43 AM

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"Ogden Johnson III" <oj3usmc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Nobody" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>"Bernard F. Corson" <BFCorsonNO@SPAMatt.net> wrote
>
>>> You will probably want to verify that you are in possession the latest
>>> chipset, USB, Lucent and 3Com and Turtle Beach XP drivers as well.
>
>>It hadn't occurred to me to look for chipset and USB drivers! I can't
>>find
>>any chipset drivers for XP, or any USB drivers at all, on Dell's site
>>though
>
> Speaking to the chipset drivers, FWIW I've installed XP Home and
> Pro, one of each, on two Dimension L733rs, without sweating the
> chipset drivers or any problems. I know, apples and oranges, but
> they're roughly the same, or an earlier, generation than the
> 8100.
>

<snip>


XP, according to a friend who has a Dim8100, has the chipset drivers for the
Intel 850 native....


Stew
May 12, 2004 1:07:30 AM

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"Tom McCune" <news@DELETE_THISmccune.cc> wrote in message
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> My Dimension 8100 appears quite similar to yours, but must be older
because
> the BIOS version is only around A05 - I'm on my laptop right now. I did
> not upgrade the BIOS because I went with dual booting and was afraid the
XP
> BIOS update might interfer with the WinME functioning. All ran fine with
> WinXP with that BIOS that I have never updated.

That's encouraging. I think I'm going to download the A09 and XP2 BIOS and
prepare the disks just in case, but not update the BIOS unless I have
problems with XP. I've run the Windows Upgrade Advisor as suggested by
another poster and it doesn't mention the BIOS on my machine.

> I did a clean install of WinXP and used a free Adaptec update they had on
> their web site. I was then using Norton AV and I think it might have
> required an update (but that was a couple years ago).

I've already upgraded to Norton AV 2003 so that should still work (although
recovering my subscription after a reinstall could be a problem!). Easy CD
Creator I may have to upgrade, or just use XP's built-in CD burning.

Can XP read DirectCD formatted discs, by the way?

> I'm on a cable modem, so can't comment on the WinModem - it seems like I
> have heard of problems with WinXP and WinModems, but I may be mistaken, or
> that may have been resolved well before now.

To be honest, I hardly ever use the modem now that I'm on broadband.
However, I thought it was worth finding drivers for it in case my ADSL modem
(Alcatel Speedtouch 330) has problems with XP and I temporarily need
alternative internet access.

Many thanks for everyone's responses - it's all been helpful!
Anonymous
May 12, 2004 1:07:31 AM

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You shouldn't need chipset drivers for XP, but they should be on Dell's
site. USB drivers for USB1.1 (which you have) are built-in to XP.

My 8100 (well, our two) run XP fine, both Home and Pro.

Tom
"Nobody" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Tom McCune" <news@DELETE_THISmccune.cc> wrote in message
> news:qeTnc.18476$hY.7745@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> > My Dimension 8100 appears quite similar to yours, but must be older
> because
> > the BIOS version is only around A05 - I'm on my laptop right now. I did
> > not upgrade the BIOS because I went with dual booting and was afraid the
> XP
> > BIOS update might interfer with the WinME functioning. All ran fine
with
> > WinXP with that BIOS that I have never updated.
>
> That's encouraging. I think I'm going to download the A09 and XP2 BIOS
and
> prepare the disks just in case, but not update the BIOS unless I have
> problems with XP. I've run the Windows Upgrade Advisor as suggested by
> another poster and it doesn't mention the BIOS on my machine.
>
> > I did a clean install of WinXP and used a free Adaptec update they had
on
> > their web site. I was then using Norton AV and I think it might have
> > required an update (but that was a couple years ago).
>
> I've already upgraded to Norton AV 2003 so that should still work
(although
> recovering my subscription after a reinstall could be a problem!). Easy
CD
> Creator I may have to upgrade, or just use XP's built-in CD burning.
>
> Can XP read DirectCD formatted discs, by the way?
>
> > I'm on a cable modem, so can't comment on the WinModem - it seems like I
> > have heard of problems with WinXP and WinModems, but I may be mistaken,
or
> > that may have been resolved well before now.
>
> To be honest, I hardly ever use the modem now that I'm on broadband.
> However, I thought it was worth finding drivers for it in case my ADSL
modem
> (Alcatel Speedtouch 330) has problems with XP and I temporarily need
> alternative internet access.
>
> Many thanks for everyone's responses - it's all been helpful!
>
>
Anonymous
May 12, 2004 1:07:32 AM

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"Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
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> You shouldn't need chipset drivers for XP, but they should be on Dell's
> site. USB drivers for USB1.1 (which you have) are built-in to XP.
>
> My 8100 (well, our two) run XP fine, both Home and Pro.
>
> Tom


<snip>

Where you been, Scales. You missed your cue :) 

You flash the BIOS of either before the install?


Stew
Anonymous
May 12, 2004 1:07:33 AM

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No, but they both had A09. I finally did get around to installing XP2 at
some point.

What cue did I miss? I'm all over the thread. Got lots of 8100 Dimensions
(and 4550 and 2400).

Tom
"S.Lewis" <stew1960@mail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
> news:o u-dnapODbb1qzzd4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> > You shouldn't need chipset drivers for XP, but they should be on Dell's
> > site. USB drivers for USB1.1 (which you have) are built-in to XP.
> >
> > My 8100 (well, our two) run XP fine, both Home and Pro.
> >
> > Tom
>
>
> <snip>
>
> Where you been, Scales. You missed your cue :) 
>
> You flash the BIOS of either before the install?
>
>
> Stew
>
>
Anonymous
May 12, 2004 1:07:34 AM

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"Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote in message
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> No, but they both had A09. I finally did get around to installing XP2 at
> some point.
>
> What cue did I miss? I'm all over the thread. Got lots of 8100 Dimensions
> (and 4550 and 2400).
>
> Tom

<cut/paste>

>
> Any Dell-specific advice on performing this upgrade, or comments from
anyone
> who has done the same on a similar system, would be most welcome!

I can think of at least one user here who's running a Dim8100 here with XP
and is very pleased with it.

<end>


I knew you had one, but not two, 8100's running XP w/o a hitch. Those cases
are so roomy one could nearly live in them :) 

The 4550 is also (imo) a fine system. May pick one of those up one of these
days to replace our 4100 eventually.


Stew
!