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I'm looking to clean a bunch of PCB's to remove oil, grease, acid, dirt,
dust, grime, odor, etc

What is the difference between Misty Circuit Board Cleaner Iii and Misty
Circuit Board Cleaner Iv.

Is there a better alternative?

I used to work in a shop and there was a product (cannot remeber name) that
had a built in scrub brush.

Suggests, comments, advice welcome

Thanks
Bob

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Throw 'em in the dishwasher. Take off any dipswitches that are socketed
and only use normal wash - air dry. Use a gel or liquid detergent, not
powders. When done dry them off with compressed air, prefferably from a
compressor not cans. Neutralize any base corrosion from nicads with
vinegar first.

skidog wrote:
> I'm looking to clean a bunch of PCB's to remove oil, grease, acid, dirt,
> dust, grime, odor, etc
>
> What is the difference between Misty Circuit Board Cleaner Iii and Misty
> Circuit Board Cleaner Iv.
>
> Is there a better alternative?
>
> I used to work in a shop and there was a product (cannot remeber name) that
> had a built in scrub brush.
>
> Suggests, comments, advice welcome
>
> Thanks
> Bob
>
>

--
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A passion for pinball!
http://www.passionforpinball.com

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Hi Cliffy,

Thanks for the advice (and your protectors - i own 3, including one of your
proto JY protectors)

I work for a major cell phone manufactuer and the number one cause of
returns and failures is moisture.

I've google up and down and have seen that many subscribe the the
dishwasher/oven/blowdry school of thought but I've got two issues.

1) I do not own a dishwasher - but I did think about taking them water
skiing with me

2) I really would prefer to go with some kind of ethonol/alcohol based
solvent/cleaner and looking for advice on which is best

I have found the following......



CHEMTRONICS ES881B BRUSH CLEAN SYSTEM
http://www.weisd.com/store2/CHEES881B.html


TECH SPRAY 1667-18S BLUE SHOWER II
http://www.weisd.com/store2/TEC1667-18S.html

Anyone have any experience with either of these?

Regards
Bob


"Cliffy" <crinear@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ZcCdnXIhw6Pann7fRVn-rA@comcast.com...
> Throw 'em in the dishwasher. Take off any dipswitches that are socketed
> and only use normal wash - air dry. Use a gel or liquid detergent, not
> powders. When done dry them off with compressed air, prefferably from a
> compressor not cans. Neutralize any base corrosion from nicads with
> vinegar first.
>
> skidog wrote:
>> I'm looking to clean a bunch of PCB's to remove oil, grease, acid, dirt,
>> dust, grime, odor, etc
>>
>> What is the difference between Misty Circuit Board Cleaner Iii and Misty
>> Circuit Board Cleaner Iv.
>>
>> Is there a better alternative?
>>
>> I used to work in a shop and there was a product (cannot remeber name)
>> that had a built in scrub brush.
>>
>> Suggests, comments, advice welcome
>>
>> Thanks
>> Bob
>
> --
> Cliffy - CARGPB2
> A passion for pinball!
> http://www.passionforpinball.com

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The reason you see problems with cell phones and moisture is because the
cell phones are powered when they get wet! But no, I don't know what
chemical bath would be best. I've used the dishwasher for years with not
even one problem. But if ya don't have one, ya don't have one

skidog wrote:
> Hi Cliffy,
>
> Thanks for the advice (and your protectors - i own 3, including one of your
> proto JY protectors)
>
> I work for a major cell phone manufactuer and the number one cause of
> returns and failures is moisture.
>
> I've google up and down and have seen that many subscribe the the
> dishwasher/oven/blowdry school of thought but I've got two issues.
>
> 1) I do not own a dishwasher - but I did think about taking them water
> skiing with me
>
> 2) I really would prefer to go with some kind of ethonol/alcohol based
> solvent/cleaner and looking for advice on which is best
>
> I have found the following......
>
>
>
> CHEMTRONICS ES881B BRUSH CLEAN SYSTEM
> http://www.weisd.com/store2/CHEES881B.html
>
>
> TECH SPRAY 1667-18S BLUE SHOWER II
> http://www.weisd.com/store2/TEC1667-18S.html
>
> Anyone have any experience with either of these?
>
> Regards
> Bob
>
>
> "Cliffy" <crinear@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:ZcCdnXIhw6Pann7fRVn-rA@comcast.com...
>
>>Throw 'em in the dishwasher. Take off any dipswitches that are socketed
>>and only use normal wash - air dry. Use a gel or liquid detergent, not
>>powders. When done dry them off with compressed air, prefferably from a
>>compressor not cans. Neutralize any base corrosion from nicads with
>>vinegar first.
>>
>>skidog wrote:
>>
>>>I'm looking to clean a bunch of PCB's to remove oil, grease, acid, dirt,
>>>dust, grime, odor, etc
>>>
>>>What is the difference between Misty Circuit Board Cleaner Iii and Misty
>>>Circuit Board Cleaner Iv.
>>>
>>>Is there a better alternative?
>>>
>>>I used to work in a shop and there was a product (cannot remeber name)
>>>that had a built in scrub brush.
>>>
>>>Suggests, comments, advice welcome
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>Bob

--
Cliffy - CARGPB2
A passion for pinball!
http://www.passionforpinball.com

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Spot on, I clean mine in the shower with detergent and a natural horse hair
bannister brush.. they come up a treat !

make sure they're dry, leave hang in a well ventilated area for a couple of
days.. then plug em in.. shouldnt be a problem...

I've been cleaning monitor chassis and game boards like this since 94'..

- Chris.
www.myarcadegames.com

"Cliffy" <crinear@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:toedndrq6pBQ_3nfRVn-vg@comcast.com...
> The reason you see problems with cell phones and moisture is because the
> cell phones are powered when they get wet! But no, I don't know what
> chemical bath would be best. I've used the dishwasher for years with not
> even one problem. But if ya don't have one, ya don't have one
>
> skidog wrote:
>> Hi Cliffy,
>>
>> Thanks for the advice (and your protectors - i own 3, including one of
>> your proto JY protectors)
>>
>> I work for a major cell phone manufactuer and the number one cause of
>> returns and failures is moisture.
>>
>> I've google up and down and have seen that many subscribe the the
>> dishwasher/oven/blowdry school of thought but I've got two issues.
>>
>> 1) I do not own a dishwasher - but I did think about taking them water
>> skiing with me
>>
>> 2) I really would prefer to go with some kind of ethonol/alcohol based
>> solvent/cleaner and looking for advice on which is best
>>
>> I have found the following......
>>
>>
>>
>> CHEMTRONICS ES881B BRUSH CLEAN SYSTEM
>> http://www.weisd.com/store2/CHEES881B.html
>>
>>
>> TECH SPRAY 1667-18S BLUE SHOWER II
>> http://www.weisd.com/store2/TEC1667-18S.html
>>
>> Anyone have any experience with either of these?
>>
>> Regards
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> "Cliffy" <crinear@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:ZcCdnXIhw6Pann7fRVn-rA@comcast.com...
>>
>>>Throw 'em in the dishwasher. Take off any dipswitches that are socketed
>>>and only use normal wash - air dry. Use a gel or liquid detergent, not
>>>powders. When done dry them off with compressed air, prefferably from a
>>>compressor not cans. Neutralize any base corrosion from nicads with
>>>vinegar first.
>>>
>>>skidog wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm looking to clean a bunch of PCB's to remove oil, grease, acid, dirt,
>>>>dust, grime, odor, etc
>>>>
>>>>What is the difference between Misty Circuit Board Cleaner Iii and
>>>>Misty Circuit Board Cleaner Iv.
>>>>
>>>>Is there a better alternative?
>>>>
>>>>I used to work in a shop and there was a product (cannot remeber name)
>>>>that had a built in scrub brush.
>>>>
>>>>Suggests, comments, advice welcome
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>Bob
>
> --
> Cliffy - CARGPB2
> A passion for pinball!
> http://www.passionforpinball.com

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I hope I've never purchased anything with
them installed... (

--
Fred
TX
CARGPB#8
******************


"Chris Bedwell" <nospam*games@westnet.com.au> wrote in message news:431c71fc$1@quokka.wn.com.au...
> Spot on, I clean mine in the shower with detergent and a natural horse hair
> bannister brush.. they come up a treat !
>
> make sure they're dry, leave hang in a well ventilated area for a couple of
> days.. then plug em in.. shouldnt be a problem...
>
> I've been cleaning monitor chassis and game boards like this since 94'..
>

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Fred..

I doubt it, considering I am located in Australia.

if you've ever tried to clean the nicotine and residue that coats - and I
use the term " COATS " with that intent.. a circuit board with the tar like
sticky residue.. you'd know that a flashy can of expensive pcb cleaner
doesn't do the trick.

Anyone who's ever operated machines in pub's or club's knows what I'm
talking about - this applies to cola based beverages that end up on your
boards.. ( I had this problem with one of my sega rally machines that had a
bourbon and coke upended into it.. and it went over the plastic sheeting I
put over the game pcb.. )

I've been told that the brand to use in north america is called " Simple
green " - very similar to a local brand we have here..

I'd much prefer to spend $2 on cleaning a board, than $20.. considering the
results are identical.

unless that is, you can show me an inexpensive and effective way that
doesn't involve $20 can's of pcb cleaner..

- Chris.
www.myarcadegames.com
( Perth, Western Australia )

"Fred Kemper" <pbgarage@davlin.net> wrote in message
newsfi1tc01umi@enews3.newsguy.com...
>I hope I've never purchased anything with
> them installed... (
>
> --
> Fred
> TX
> CARGPB#8
> ******************
>
>
> "Chris Bedwell" <nospam*games@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:431c71fc$1@quokka.wn.com.au...
>> Spot on, I clean mine in the shower with detergent and a natural horse
>> hair
>> bannister brush.. they come up a treat !
>>
>> make sure they're dry, leave hang in a well ventilated area for a couple
>> of
>> days.. then plug em in.. shouldnt be a problem...
>>
>> I've been cleaning monitor chassis and game boards like this since 94'..
>>
>
>
>

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Chris,

Try shower power on them. Works well with little residue.

Cheers, Geoff
"Chris Bedwell" <nospam*games@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:431f0530$1@quokka.wn.com.au...
> Fred..
>
> I doubt it, considering I am located in Australia.
>
> if you've ever tried to clean the nicotine and residue that coats - and I
> use the term " COATS " with that intent.. a circuit board with the tar
like
> sticky residue.. you'd know that a flashy can of expensive pcb cleaner
> doesn't do the trick.
>
> Anyone who's ever operated machines in pub's or club's knows what I'm
> talking about - this applies to cola based beverages that end up on your
> boards.. ( I had this problem with one of my sega rally machines that had
a
> bourbon and coke upended into it.. and it went over the plastic sheeting I
> put over the game pcb.. )
>
> I've been told that the brand to use in north america is called " Simple
> green " - very similar to a local brand we have here..
>
> I'd much prefer to spend $2 on cleaning a board, than $20.. considering
the
> results are identical.
>
> unless that is, you can show me an inexpensive and effective way that
> doesn't involve $20 can's of pcb cleaner..
>
> - Chris.
> www.myarcadegames.com
> ( Perth, Western Australia )
>
> "Fred Kemper" <pbgarage@davlin.net> wrote in message
> newsfi1tc01umi@enews3.newsguy.com...
> >I hope I've never purchased anything with
> > them installed... (
> >
> > --
> > Fred
> > TX
> > CARGPB#8
> > ******************
> >
> >
> > "Chris Bedwell" <nospam*games@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:431c71fc$1@quokka.wn.com.au...
> >> Spot on, I clean mine in the shower with detergent and a natural horse
> >> hair
> >> bannister brush.. they come up a treat !
> >>
> >> make sure they're dry, leave hang in a well ventilated area for a
couple
> >> of
> >> days.. then plug em in.. shouldnt be a problem...
> >>
> >> I've been cleaning monitor chassis and game boards like this since
94'..
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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In article Fred Kemper says...
>
> That's good. As far as I'm concerned, if it was for
>a vid or a monitor, it is of little concern to me, anyway.
>None of those are particulaly valuable, and can be emulated
>or substituted with something else.
>
>Pinball boards are not so easy to replace.
>
> NEVER soak these old boards with water. They will not survive.
>
>Damage does NOT always show up right away, and may take years.

Hey Fred,

This interests me. Exactly what damage does this do to boards,
that may take years to show up ? Plus, how would you determine
that damage was through washing and not through normal aging of
the components, especially if the damage takes years to manifest ?

- James

------------------------------
JrokLand http://www.jrok.com
------------------------------

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In rec.games.video.arcade.marketplace Fred Kemper <pbgarage@davlin.net> wrote:
: That's good. As far as I'm concerned, if it was for
: a vid or a monitor, it is of little concern to me, anyway.
: None of those are particulaly valuable, and can be emulated
: or substituted with something else.
:
: Pinball boards are not so easy to replace.

Pinball boards are MUCH easier to replace that monitor chasses and
a lot of game boards. Most pinball boards are built from commidity
parts. (Other than stuff like the williams ASIC, etc), while most
game boards have fine pitch surface mount, programmable logic, piles
of ASICs, etc, which aren't replaceable.


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Cambridge, MA 02139
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I have a well and the untreated water has an iron content of over 16
ppm. Treated water still has some residual iron. Am I better off using
distilled water in a pan or should I not be concerned with the iron??

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Are you saying black people can't solder.?????.Now that is a racist remark
if i ever heard one.
<TheKorn@TheKorn.net> wrote in message
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> MARK wrote:
>> Hey Chris.You can always try letting your Horse fix the boards.Does he
>> know
>> how to solder.?Im sure he can press in a chip with his hoof.).But it
>> would
>> be hard for him to remove a chip with those damn hoofs.
>
> Horses can't solder. But plenty of monkeys can.
>

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Oh.You have something against Horses.???.Now that Equestrian racism.)
<TheKorn@TheKorn.net> wrote in message
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> MARK wrote:
>> Are you saying black people can't solder.?????.Now that is a racist
>> remark
>> if i ever heard one.
>
> Where did you get _that_ idea from??? I said HORSES CAN'T SOLDER. How
> the hell is that racist!??
>

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OK,


I Think I know how to clean PCB's now.....

Something about having a horse and water....

Isn't there a saying about this?



"MARK" <MARKLINE@OPTONLINE.NET> wrote in message
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> Oh.You have something against Horses.???.Now that Equestrian racism.)
> <TheKorn@TheKorn.net> wrote in message
> news:1126222179.727178.50110@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> MARK wrote:
>>> Are you saying black people can't solder.?????.Now that is a racist
>>> remark
>>> if i ever heard one.
>>
>> Where did you get _that_ idea from??? I said HORSES CAN'T SOLDER. How
>> the hell is that racist!??
>>
>
>