Regarding defragger

Can I use ME's defrager in XP, I would prefer not to get a utility to do it. I find XP's to be #@$%, it puts my games in a jumble in the middle to end of my partition. I'm not expierenced enough to move my own files around yet. My HDD is suffering! If I must get a utility I will, is there any freeware that's good. Diskeeper, but isn't it only trail, I would rather pay the money up front. I use NTFS on all Partitions. Thanx for any input. I searched for this but only came up some good and bad about Norton and Diskeeper.

Asus A7S333 SiS745
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256*2 Samsung DDR333
ATI 8500LE 128
SB Live 5.1
40G Maxtor D740X-6L pm
LG Goldstar GCE-8320B 32-10-40 sm
Enermax 430W Whisper PS


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  1. You mean there're blank white blocks in between those blue blocks right?

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  2. Your post is a little confusing.

    You'd like to know if you can use the Windows ME disk defragmentation utility on a partition that contains Windows XP ... but you have only one 40GB NTFS partition on the hard drive?

    As written, the answer is no. Even if you used a partitioning program, made a new logical FAT32 partition, installed Windows ME, edited the boot.ini file and made a few Registry changes so that both operating systems were available in the boot menu ... no, you couldn't use the defragmentation utility in WinME to defrag an NTFS partition that contains WinXP. Even if the NTFS partition could somehow be made visible from within WinME ... and that's not possible, either.

    Most popular defragmentation utilities for WinXP:

    <A HREF="http://www.executivesoftware.com/consumer/diskeeper/diskeeper.asp" target="_new">Diskeeper</A>
    <A HREF="http://www.symantec.com/nu/nu_9x/" target="_new">SpeedDisk in Norton Utilities</A>
    <A HREF="http://www.perfectdisk.com" target="_new">PerfectDisk</A>
    <A HREF="http://www.oo-software.com" target="_new">O&O Defrag v4</A>

    The only freeware version that I am aware of is <A HREF="http://www.execsoft.com/freeware/freeware.asp" target="_new">Diskeeper Lite</A>, but that is basically the same utility that is already included in WinXP.

    If you would prefer that your games be somewhere else besides the middle or end of the partition ... then you need a second partition, specifically for those files. A program like <A HREF="http://www.powerquest.com/partitionmagic/" target="_new">Partition Magic</A>, or <A HREF="http://www.ranish.com/part/" target="_new">Ranish Partition Manager</A> can be used to create that second partition.

    You may have to lighten your wallet to get what you want, or start spending a lot of time on the 'Net searching Warez sites, with all the potential risks that implies. Your choice.

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  3. I have 3 partitions the first (XP pro and games), the second (backup and patches etc.), the third storage (music, pics, movies etc.). You can take ME defrag and just put it into 98SE, from what you said you can't do that with XP. I simply don't want all my games in a big jumble, better to be fraged and together.Anyway looks like I'm buying Norton Utilities, do I have to install all the utilities or can I just take the defragger? I hope this clarifies it and thanx for the help.

    :eek: <b>Who needs heatsinks and fans, I have an igloo</b> :eek:
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    You can take ME defrag and just put it into 98SE, from what you said you can't do that with XP

    That's absolutely correct. That can't be done.


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    I think you could arrange how your files are installed a little better, considering that you have three partitions ... for several reasons.

    1.) If you ever decided to use an imaging program (like <A HREF="http://www.powerquest.com/driveimage/" target="_new">Drive Image</A> or <A HREF="http://www.symantec.com/sabu/ghost/ghost_personal/" target="_new">Norton Ghost</A>) as a backup method, having as few programs as possible installed in the system partition that contains the operating system files would considerably lower the amount of hard drive space and/or CD-R disks needed for the image.

    2.) If an image is stored on the hard drive, the best place is the last partition on the disk. This is because if the drive ever begins to fail, loss of access to files usually occurs at the top of the disk, and many times, files can still be retrieved from off the last partition with a program like <A HREF="http://www.xxcopy.com/" target="_new">XXCopy</A>. This is also the reason that I prefer to store my more personal important files in the last partition, instead of the partition that contains the OS.

    3.) Extra partitions are often created for organization purposes, more than anything else. I don't really see why you would prefer to install the games in with the operating system files when you have a partition already available that could be used for this purpose. Personally, I would do some rearranging, and reinstall the games in one of the two logical partitions. This should allow you to resize the system partition, and make it smaller ... and the extra free space could be redistributed among the other partitions, which would leave more room for personal files. 7 to 10GB should be more than enough space for the system partition, if you installed your games elsewhere.

    When you install Norton Utilties ... no, you can't just install SpeedDisk. You can definitely customize the installation, and remove a few of the other items that come with the package that aren't needed. But you can't just install SpeedDisk and nothing else at all.

    If what you are looking for is a different defragmentation utility, why buy a program that has items that you don't need or want?

    I like Diskeeper, personally. I think it is more powerful than the SpeedDisk utility, and has the advantage of performing a boot-time defragmentation run, which allows the program to move the directories to the top of the partition before Windows loads.

    If all I needed for a system was a disk defragmentation utility ... that's all I'd get. I wouldn't buy an unnecessary package just to get one item. That's just a waste.

    If I were you, I'd go with Diskeeper or O&O Defrag v4.

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  5. Thanx for taking the time to type all that out. Very good advice although I made my purchase before reading this (arghh). Ah well now that I have Norton I'm sure all use some other features, I just don't want a system hog, or any more junk running in the background. Is it pretty good have 19 processes running on boot with nothing extra running or can I ditch a few more? It's a standalone for now but not too much longer, then a server on a small lan/wan. Again thanx for all the info.

    :eek: <b>Who needs heatsinks and fans, I have an igloo</b> :eek:
  6. Actually, having only 19 processes running sounds pretty good.

    Whether you can pare it down even further depends on what is loading up with Windows that you'd rather start manually (or if at all), and what kind of Administrative Services are running.

    This is a handy program for managing programs loading with Windows, which gives you the option for first removing them, and then permanently deleting the files, if you wish, unlike running MSCONFIG, or by manually editing the Registry entries:

    <A HREF="http://mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml" target="_new">Startup Control Panel</A>

    As for the Admin Services, this site has the best page on Services that I've found:

    <A HREF="http://www.dave-partridge.com/services.shtml" target="_new">Windows XP Mania - The BIG XP Services Explanation</A>

    Enjoy!

    Toey

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  7. Thanx eh! I think all the control panel a try.
    :eek: <b>Who needs heatsinks and fans, I have an igloo</b> :eek:
  8. Whew ... your score is a little low for that card.

    The lowest I've seen with a Radeon 8500LE 128 was 6566, and the highest was around 8568, without overclocking.

    Are you using the latest Catalyst drivers? Have you got the APG aperture set to 256 in the BIOS? Is UDMA enabled in the Device Manager for the IDE Controller Channels?

    Perhaps you should have a little talk with <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=profile&mode=viewprofile&internal=1&username=AMD_Man" target="_new">AMD_Man</A> about optimizing that card. Send him a PM and see what he has to say on the subject.

    Toey

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