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hehe, how u think all the pc will be in 60 years from now, hehe.
For me the system case will be not bigger than the smallest cell phone, hehe, verry fast and unlimited, all u have is take it from ur pocket and just press a button, a projection from ur micro pc will go out, and project in the air, and forms like a visual part (this will be the sceen), and for interaction with it, it will be by talking oraly with him, it will be like ur friend, hehe

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I wouldn't like such PC that will play the game for me.

IMO, desktops will stay. From 1980, desktops are still going strong. They haven't changed their look one bit, they've just grown incredibly more powerful. Notebook, PDA showing no sign of replacing deskop. Notebooks are getting powerful, but people still feel comfortable with desktop mouse and full size keyboard. If something as slim and cool like LCD monitor, but with all advantages of CRT monitor comes, that would be good.

And I want PC as PC, not as human friend. The idea of voice command seems very stupid to me. Imagine- nobody's in the room and you're talking.

BTW, we're not actually heading towards smaller and cooler. We're moving back to the past. CPU, GFX card are getting bigger and hotter. HSFs are much bigger now. Can you think about a modern graphics card without any kind of cooling? PCs are also getting noisier. Vaccum tubes have started to re-appear in moden mobos (yes, some Aopen mobos have vacuum tube, for sound related job)

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60 years?
Synthetic diamonds will replace silicon. probably in about 15 years. . .
60 years tho? Geez...
Computers either based on Quamtum Theory or DNA is my guess. We have both today, but they are rudementary at best.

Reply to Theneler

Yah DNA /quantum is the future dont know if will have powerfull quantum computer in 60years tough...Alsoquantum computer size should be ridicolously small...

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Mmm, u struck a soft spot. In 60 years, given the current rate of decrease in size of computer components (actually this'll happen within 25), components will get too small to function. I've read this many times in my research and also I've spoken with some microchip and circuit designers @ IBM. So what will we do? Comps can get bigger, but das not efficient. Instead quantum computers will replace current computers, and most definetly within 60 years. Here's the really cool part. The Church-Turing thesis states that a turing machine (classical computer) can so anything any other computer can within reasonable (aka polynomial) time and resources. So scientists went about trying to a find a way to prove this wrong but couldn't b/c many of them just were physically impossible. Then Feynmann proposed using quantum mechanics for computational purposes. Exploiting some properties of quantum mechanics, we <i>can</i> get more efficient computing!! Essentially what we have is an atom in a superposition where it is 1 AND 0 at the same time (check the Schroedinger cat example for more details). This obviously leads to mass data storage and faster computation cause everything that can happen, will happen at once. Algorithms that prove this efficiency are Shor's factoring algorithm which is an exponential decrease in processing time for factoring, the eigen vector calculation algorithm, and Grover's search algrotithm and its variants (integration of functions, average finding, etc.) and ones that use similar aspects of it like amplitude ampification and other techniques to search. I'm designing one right now but I can't tell u what it is.
Wow...that was long lol, u fired me up.
FYI, current NMR quantum comps are big, but they should ideally be small and may initially be implemented as coprocessor. Thing is that to avoid decoherence of this superposition, we need to eliminate all outside forces...which is kinda hard to do....

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DNA computation I do not think will come into a strictly computational sort of sense. It is far too annoying to prepare it for computation, its main advantage is massive parallelism, and all it can offer in a strictly computational sense, quantum comps can offer. DNA computation will be used more for nanotech and implants to trigger certain things in the body like production of insulin...

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wow thats incredible and to think im only 20 , i might live long enough to see it

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In sixty years the average life bexpectancy for someone in a first world country will be about 100 if not more.

If he doesn't die, he'll get help!!!

Reply to RRAMJET

Ideally in 60 years computers will just be wetware installed into our nervous systems and most specifically the brain. Our computers will think with us, not for us. Games will just be daydreams and higher math will be child's play. Memories will be categorized and sorted for easy recall and we'll all then have a perfect photographic memory.

Of course before we get that far the planet would have had a major cataclysm in about 40 years from now as the polar ice caps melt enough that the weight distribution finally reaches the critical mass needed to cause the planet's axis to flip and likely also result in the planet crashing into the moon and punching it away to spin off into a collision with Jupiter. Those few of us who survive after the orbit stabilizes and the dust cloud settles will be knocked back into the dark age having been driven deep underground into caves just to survive.

Yet that won't even matter because in a little less than 20 years from now Nibiru will have traversed through its orbit to finally be close enough to Earth to unleash awful destruction that we probably won't survive anyway.

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Essentially what we have is an atom in a superposition where it is 1 AND 0 at the same time (check the Schroedinger cat example for more details). This obviously leads to mass data storage and faster computation cause everything that can happen, will happen at once.


I don't quite get this... I understand quantum mechanics well enough (or at least that's what I'd like to believe :smile: ), but how can you utilize the fact that any given state is a linear combination of eigenstates for computing?... Measuring the system will collapse your state, with a certain uncertainty as to the measurement's results... How can this be useful exactly?... I really just don't get it... Couldn't you shed a bit more light on this, please? It's just that I didn't catch up on this quantum computers thing yet. I wanted to read something about that, but didn't get to it! So much to do, so little time to do it in...

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Initially (like for data storage) the system may not be in superposition...that's up to the engineers. What happens is that when u would execute one of these algorithms, you'd have certain registers in a superposition (depends on the algorithm). You evolve the state in superposition thru unitary operators, and though it is true that when we measure the final result, ie the state collapses, there is no definite way at which it will collapse. The way we get around this is (and this is essentially what the search and many other algs do) is increase the amplitude of a specific possible bit sequence. The probability of that state being read then is the absolute value of the square of the amplitude. So if u can imagine, a 2-bit system in superposition with equal amplitudes:
1/2|00> + 1/2|01> + 1/2|10> + 1/2|11>. We'd then do whatever we want, as long as the transformations r unitary so they can be done in a controlled way and finally the system collapses and (hopefully) get our answer.

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I see... What are these kets |xx> with ones and zeros? I assume that the 1s and 0s are the eigenvalues for those eigenvectors associated with state 0 and state 1, which would make sense, but they're the states for what exactly? An atom? A particle?... Whichever is more convenient or something?

And as to time evolution under normal conditions, you'd have to have an excellent control of the hamiltonian, right? And as for the transformations... OK, unitary as in normalized results, but how so? Maybe the measurement itself is a transformation? Measuring in eigenstates of an interesting observable? This would, of course, imply instantaneous results... Which is interesting and makes sense to me. But isn't the fact that there is no way to know the end result for certain measurements a nuisance at some point?...

Correct me if I'm talking nonsense here...

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60 years from here hu ? Not too sure, but 600 years from here, I'd be happpy if we'd reinvent clay tablets and handwriting . Yeah I'm a pessimist and the current US administration isnt helping it either :(

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I'm actually a humanist, and I don't really think that we're going to a bad future. However, I do suspect we'll have to go through some ugly things before getting to better times, if we don't change our ways...

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>I'm actually a humanist

You mean, optimist :)
I'm not sure how to categorize myself, maybe a "circle-ist" or something, but I wouldnt be surprised at all to find out there have been (several) technological advanced civilisations from way before our history, and I won't be surprised if this current civilisation disapears from the face of the earth to make place for the next one.. over and over.. I just don't see how we can continue our current life style for much longer, we are quickly running out of natural resources while our population keeps increasing exponentially, we are destroying the environment beyond repair and fighting wars over nothing while we have enough weapons to destroy the planet several times. One day, its going to go <i>very</i> wrong.. I can only hope my kids won't have to witness it

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All that aside, no one can know the future of technology. 60 years ago it was all about space travel, flying cars, moon colonies etc. Who, back then, would have thought that today the main focus of technology is computers? I remember a quote by an IBM ceo(?) that he sees a market for perhaps a dozen computers each taking up the space of an entire building.

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Yes, that's right, I'm an optimist alright... By humanist, I mean that I have some faith in mankind (but hey - don't push it! there's a whole lot of sh!t around...)...

And yes, I do see those bad things... things will have to change. What is actually "beyond repair", I wonder?... Well, I mean, a small part of mankind will probably still be able to exist in such a place, and recognize their mistakes... The problem is that people are so indifferent that things would have to be really pretty ugly for someone to change something... So the point is... yes, things might go terribly wrong someday. This might be ugly - but then again, what about the next day? Next year? Next century?... I guess this really is a leap of faith... :smile:

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Mmm, sry bout not responding. It will be really fun to discuss the quantum stuff, but alas I have quite a bit of work. I'll post more on this on Saturday!

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Reply to Flamethrower205

Hm... ***buuumpp***

I really hope flamethrower can find just a bit of time to answer, 'cause I'm really interested in this!! Quantum computing, I mean... :smile:

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