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3dMark depends A LOT more on the graphics card than the processor.
The ATI 9800 series <b>is better than</b> the Nvidia 5900 series.
if that oc'd A64 had a 9800 it WOULD have beaten the other results you refer to.
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| Quote : 3dMark depends A LOT more on the graphics card than the processor.
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man, does "old hand" mean you're something like veteran poster here? sorry, but you're rather a noob in my honest opinion. who told ya that? car hi, lobby hi are only cpu and other tests are also prettty heavy on cpu/mem sub system.
No matter how you look at it, your 20k score with an FX at 14x200 is ridiculous. look at the review, it clearly states the tests were ran at 325 mhz gpu core while GF FX non-Ultra runs at 400mhz and Ultra at 450mhz. Is that a typo or your reviewer simply downclocked his vid card and was dumb enough to admit it? either way, it looks like he's a noob and shouldn't be allowed to touch the hardware.
You gotta be blind if you can't see his bias. Watch his silly "A64 vs. FX-51 vs. P4 EE" video where he intentionally broke a clip on AMD hsf and "forgot" to show us how hot P4 got after he pulled the hsf off it while doing 3dmark'03 run.
How about his photochopped P4 3.6Ghz? where is it tom? as far as i know there ain't no P4 at such speed til now?
btw, your last review was a joke too where you compared stock AMD chips to overclocked paper-tigers from Intel. man, you gotta open your eyes cos everyone is laughin at ya at almost every hardware forum 
>Do you know what's interesting? That the only people so far
>in this forum that think like you are two new users,
>"strangers"
First, if you'd stick your head out of your *rse a bit more often, and visit other places as well, you'd know who quaddamage is. He is certainly no stranger to the scene.
Second, I am blessed with an 'old hand' title (or something else by now, couldnt care less), and kinda think like "that".
Finally, a lot of "aliens" like myself or QD come from other forums from time to time to try and talk some sense into this one, and try to open your eyes. That's why I came back - I really couldnt let so much clueless BS go undisputed anymore, hence a few lengthy discussions with Eden, omid and others. Now, though I'm a patient man with time to burn, I fear even I will give up sooner or later, and let other "strangers" do the dismissing, while the Juins continue brabbeling incomprehensive pseudo technical off topic posts and Edens will continue spouting their clueless nonsense like a naked emperor; or rather, lieutenant of the real emperor (Omid). Or the Raystonn's enjoying their one eyed reign over this land of blinds (hey Raystonn, where are those 32 GB/s dual channel QDR RDRAM yellowstone chipsets we would all be using by now ?)
Really, this place often seems like stuck in some alternate space-time bend, and from time to time, people from outside this mirco-universe come here to let you know what is *really* happening out there.. usually doesnt last long though, might as well say goodbye to QD while you have the chance
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Lets all not forget these great little gems about THG and what a tight little ship they run:
http://www.vanshardware.com/article...THG_Slander.htm
http://www17.tomshardware.com/mainb...0211/index.html
The above article is humerous in every sense, it's so wrong on so many accounts, I could write a novel on it. This was right after a lot of the senior editors left a while back. Looks like they asked the janitor to write this one up because whoever did obviously doesn't know his peen from his ass.
http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/01.../xp1900-08.html
Wow Blizzard and Lightwave in the same sentence? You might want to tell the folks over at Blizzard that they use Lightwave LOL! Blizzard is a 3DStudio Max house for those that don't know.
Tom's Hardwre had an article a while back where they claimed to have a 3.06ghz. engineering sample of the P4 aong with a photo.
Shortly after the story was posted, a couple of people noticed that some of the numbers on their picture of this "engineering sample" were codes from a 2ghz. P4. Many raised the question as to what was going on, one site confirmed with Intel that no such samples have been given to anyone.
A few days later, subtle changes were made to the article at Tom's hardware, removing references to "having in his posession" about the 3.067 and said he had one with an open multiplier and he overclocked it to 3.06ghz. and that the results were indicitive of what an actual 3.06 wuld run at when released.
A week later, Tom's disputed the charges of doctored photos and claimed he never said that he had one in his posession.
Tom's denial was a complete lie though as I read the original article and saw the claims with my own eyes.
http://www4.tomshardware.com/mothe [...] er-03.html
The infamous "AMD Roadmap" completey conjured up by THG, AMD had no idea what this was because well, it wasn't made by them.
http://translate.google.com/transl [...] uage_tools
Article showing THG falsifying graphics benchmarks.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=5845
Backlash over the Athlon 3000 article posted on THG.
http://www.amdmb.com/article-display.php?ArticleID=243
Media blackout courtesy of you guessed it, THG.
Article on HardOCP in regards to amdb:
Posted by Kyle 12:37 PM (CDT)
THG to Sue AMDMB.com:
As mentioned earlier, this editorial posted at AMDMB, chronicles Ryan Shrout's experience at a rather large LAN party this weekend. Here in the USA, we understand it to be our right to openly speak about our experiences in life, but quite possibly others do not feel that way.
Omid Rahmat of Tom's Guides Publishing, a.k.a TomsHardware.com, verified in an email to me that he made the following statements in reply to a reader's email explaining that he would not visit THG any more due to their recent actions.
-----Original Message-----
From: Omid Rahmat [mailto
mid@removed.com]
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 8:41 AM
To: Name Removed
Subject: RE: MML2
Sorry to hear that, but Amdmb.com fabricated a story, and we gave as good as we got. We'll let the lawyers handle it.
If you choose to believe the amdmb.com version, fine, but we're not going to just sit there and have someone lie about us.
Omid Rahmat
Tom's Guides Publishing
www.tomshardware.com
Then also in another email:
It's bull, and no rebuttal required. We'll take them to court instead. They might get the message that way.
Omid Rahmat
Tom's Guides Publishing
www.tomshardware.com
It seems as though that is exactly what they intend to do as Omid called Ryan Shrout this morning around 11:45AM CST and verbalized that Tom's Guide Publishing would be having their lawyers send Ryan a letter explaining that they would be suing them for libel. Ryan, being a "poor college student" working on his EE degree does not have the funds needed to defend an action of this sort, it is our opinion that this action is to force Ryan's hand and make him take down his page that chronicles the events.
I have committed to Ryan that I will personally help him with funding his legal council so he will not have to fold with the almighty dollar being the deciding factor. We have also put him in direct contact with our attorney we keep on retainer that specializes in Intellectual Property matters. I think Ryan is telling the truth and should not be stifled.
The fact of the matter is that Omid was not present at the event and does not know what happened first hand. I would guess that Omid might be getting his information from parties that are now concerned with keeping their jobs. Also worth mentioning is that Ryan has some recorded audio of THG and AMD representatives saying some very interesting things to him that would be terribly embarrassing, if not downright damaging, should they be released publicly.
We have tried to contact AMD about this, this morning, but have not been successful.
As of posting this, I have received another mail from Omid making the following statement:
We will deal with Mr. Shrout through the appropriate legal channels, and leave it at that.
And the end result of that whole thing:
THG Backs Down to AMDMB:
Omid of TomsHardwareGuide writes:
Oh, my, we have just received word from our lawyer that the Supreme Court has upheld the "22 year old college kid defense" and all "22 year old college kids" are immune from prosecution. My lawyer also advises me that "22 year old college kids" don't have much money, and he is still fighting my case against the "2 year old bed wetter."
Be that as it may, the MML2 fiasco is now at an end.
Kudos to Ryan of AMDMB.com for standing his ground in the face of impending legal adversity and exercising his 1st Amendment Right as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States of America. Certainly it would have been easier to buckle under the legal pressure and simply remove the chronicle of his recent experiences with THG.
As for THG and their statement quoted above, I have to admit I am truly stunned by their remarks. Is this the "clear cut professional manner" they noted themselves as using yesterday?
And just for the record, Ryan Shrout is 21 years of age. So when you see him, buy the man a beer.
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Happy reading!
Emmortal
You sir are FUD packaged with BULL.
You haven't read one thing in favor of THG's defense on such issue yet you take the side of ignorants who had no facts.
Kyle in case you don't know, is a redneck bastard, Crash knows it, everyone should. He's had nothing but hypocritical statements as well as very one-sided opinions.
You truly are misinformed.
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| Quote : Finally, a lot of "aliens" like myself or QD come from other forums from time to time to try and talk some sense into this one, and try to open your eyes. That's why I came back - I really couldnt let so much clueless BS go undisputed anymore, hence a few lengthy discussions with Eden, omid and others. Now, though I'm a patient man with time to burn, I fear even I will give up sooner or later, and let other "strangers" do the dismissing, while the Juins continue brabbeling incomprehensive pseudo technical off topic posts and Edens will continue spouting their clueless nonsense like a naked emperor; or rather, lieutenant of the real emperor (Omid). Or the Raystonn's enjoying their one eyed reign over this land of blinds (hey Raystonn, where are those 32 GB/s dual channel QDR RDRAM yellowstone chipsets we would all be using by now ?)
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BB you are pathetic. So why not also call Slvr Phoenix a brabbler for supporting my RAM claims?
If anything, one can easily deduce how you try to appear righteous each time.
But I won't go on, you're not worth almost anyone's time here, seriously.
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Pitsi I have to commend you for being so open-minded and understanding THG's POV. I have great respect for the fact you did go far looking until you knew that while each site has different results, it all depends on how each proceded. I honestly can't see who can continue accusing THG of Intel bias.
"OOOh, AMD's HSF got broken in the video, waaaaaa"
"OH NO! THG told all the media to back out because THEY want the story on the LAN party! But wait, what's Sudhian doing there?!"
Goddamn it people, it's truly shameful to see such society.
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So I'm not the only one who thinks so here! 
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You've still failed to show me how this test made AMD look bad. You keep avoiding the main point and trying to deflect with a pile of other crap. Once you can back up your claim that this last test made AMD look bad... I'll give you all the kudos you seem to be searching for.
Until then... remove head from ass.
<font color=red> If you design software that is fool-proof, only a fool will want to use it. </font color=red>
I've read pretty much what was involved. Ryan is a liar, Kyle came in because he hates THG and wanted to make some stirring on Omid. Further on there WERE MEDIAS COVERING it other than THG. The obvious nature of that should be enough to shut people up, but yet somehow we got people actually believing a hardware guide site like THG would tell the media to back out.
It is beyond me if you believe they actually did that.
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You are entitled to your own naive opinions BB, which I have to respect nonetheless.
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| Quote : Ff no one learned anything from my posts, well than I am probably wasting my own time much more than anyone elses. Being humble and all, I dare say I have contributed quite a lot more hard facts and insights than yourself with your endless "I respect you if you respect me / I don't have clue but the K8's performance scaling is surely due to cc:NUMA / etc" posts. Who's time is such crap worth? My style may be less friendly, or even downright arrogant, but I that's only cause I don't give a rats *ss about being popular over here. |
Interesting read this thread is. I will admit I have to disagree with the original post myself. It doesn't however make the accusations of Q and Em any more or less wrong, perhaps just out of place. ( this whole thread might have been better placed after the a64 was compared to the P4EE THAT STILL DOES'NT EXIST)
On a final note, those people that think post count has anything to do with actual knowledge of what they are talking about really need to get a grip.
It's not what they tell you, its what they don't tell you!
| Quote : On a final note, those people that think post count has anything to do with actual knowledge of what they are talking about really need to get a grip.
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I agree, but the inverse is also as pertinent: Those who come here out of nowhere insulting or bossing around as if they know they're better, well, need to get a grip.
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So Fugger, what are you waiting for, prove me and imgod2u where the 64-bit "optimizations" in G5s running normal memory amounts can actually benefit compared to AMD64 using 8 more registers.
It's fine and dandy to mock my statements, but you really don't have proof, making you rather weak in your point.
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| Quote : Do you frequent any other boards on other websites? If you do, out of curiosity, which ones? How would you say the general overall aptitude of the posters at these other sites (on average) compares with that of THG?
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I wouldn't know, I used to frequent 2 gaming boards, a long time ago.
THGC is my only real forum I've ever stayed on for over 2 years, and I'm enjoying it every day. I think THGC does stand out. Just try to live in the OTHERS forum, you'll feel like there was never such a great community found in an off-topic forum. You will always have detractors though. Gotta accept it.
EDIT: I see you were talking more about APTitude. I'd say we have a lot of knowledgeable people here. Granted, this isn't the most enthusiastic forum, but it does bring some interesting people. Slvr_Phoenix for example, or imgod2u who always is picky but adds some good in-depth info. So while we don't get Beyond3D's people, it's still a good community, and a dear one in the OTHERS forum.
| Quote : THG is almost a daily publication. Much more so than other hardware review sites. Lately it has seemed that quantity is much more important than quality. While it is nice having something new to read about everyday, I will admit, sometimes it feels these articles are rushed to press much too soon, without enough subjective data to backup their claims. |
Omid's ranted on how a large population puts this pressure. He pointed out the annoyance of that "Race to click first to submit your article", that sites seem to do. On the A64 launch, that was what happened. At the minute the exact time came up (forgot which), bam, every site posted it. It's stupid IMO. I would forgive THG if they were hours late. If they can fix errors in that time, it's more than excusable. But as long as you have to cater to some ignorants pressuring them and being judging on every thing they do, you screw up more often.
If they could POLL the readers and ask what they feel on article submittal times and if they don't mind longer posting times, it'd be something I'd take part of.
Also remember that THGC has a LOT of categories, and CPUs don't make the frequent posted part at all. Almost every saturday game reviews come out, and you get weekly new wireless hardware reviews.
So it's easy to say you get articles almost each day, but it's also easy to say, not one writer of them works for two categories. Which is true? I wouldn't know, but I know that a lot of categories and tons of writers = a lot more posting.
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