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November 1, 2003 4:25:45 AM

Check this out.. not only is it fast as hell, it's also the sexiest cluster on the planet.

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Instead of using cheap components (read: cheap PC components), Virginia Tech used top-of-the-line mac g5 computers. Currently rated at 9.555 TFlops, the 5.2 million $ project kicks the crap out of comparible PC-based clusters that cost 2-3 times as much. Ouch... G5 wins again...

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November 1, 2003 4:30:59 AM

Hi sweety poo.

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November 1, 2003 4:33:11 AM

Ah. Typical nonesense responses from micro$oft fanboys.
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November 1, 2003 4:35:57 AM

Ah come on, let us rejoice. A world of PC and Mac bois dancing together, isn't that utopian?

I wanna make sweet Platonic love to you. (very oxymoronic)

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November 1, 2003 6:07:18 AM

i allready post about IBM math i pointless and you are!!

I dont like french test
November 1, 2003 9:10:16 AM

Oh I like the November 2003 PCMag On page 34
A B C is each computer A and B is apple and C is Athlon64

Ok here the test scores between
A. apple power Mac G5 two 2-ghz PowerPC G5s
B. apple power Mac G5 1.8ghz PowerPC G5s
C. Allenware Aurora 2.2Ghz FX-5

Premiere 6

Render

A. 4
B. 5
C. 4
Quck time

A. 72
B. 84
C. 37

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Photo Shop 7.01
A. 18
B. 27
C. 21
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A. 16
B. 19
C. 8

Auto
Sumarize
A. 12
B. 14
C. 6
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Quake 3
1024 by 768
A. 294
B. 147
C. 335

1600 by 1200
A. 207
B. 141
C. 257

How they test. All unit had 1gb of ramand ati Radeon 9800 Pro graphics card with 128mb of memory. In Premiere They timed the rendering of the workpace and export of a movie at 720 by 480 res., 30 fps into quick timeformatIn photoshopthey timed the operation of ten fiters on a 50 imaga file in word they execution of a search and replace and the auto summarize function each on a large document. They recorded aaverage frame rates running Quake 3verson 1.32 timedemo 4. Pc test preformed by Pc worldtest Center. apple system teste by Macworld test center.


Hay everyone I wrote this down from a Magazine. PC Mag. Page 34. I just wrote the Scores from Apple and Amd system. So g5 Please get your fact in order.
November 1, 2003 9:18:36 AM

that really funny Cray computers doing something with athlon computers. there makeing one of world largest super computers so that drops that g5 speed.

So like always Apple Loses with Price and Power
November 1, 2003 5:30:46 PM

The only reason why it is the fastest yet built for the money is because it is newest...should someone build a cluster out of A64s, FXs, or P4s, etc., for the same price as that G5 cluster, I would imagine that it would indeed be faster (how could it not, 1 is, so why wouldnt 1200 be?) BTW...what do you mean G5 wins AGAIN? When has it EVER won?

RDRAM = ENEMY
November 1, 2003 6:19:39 PM

HAHAHA, image combining that with just one dual overclocked opteron system...might beat that entire cluster. (Probably not, but it would certainly be more respectable)

RDRAM = ENEMY
November 1, 2003 6:33:15 PM

how much does a g5 cost again? umm i think i'll stick with my piii.


If it isn't a P6 then it isn't a procesor
110% BX fanboy
November 1, 2003 8:07:32 PM

you get what you pay for
November 1, 2003 8:18:58 PM

i totally disagree. You get marketing.

Macs were pretty unique back in the day, with the lcII and lcIII's because they could outperform or at least perform on par with pc's released while mantaining a competitive price (not to mention being a lot smaller). But now the price that you pay on the top model of mac pc's you could buy a dual opteron full blown game server.


If it isn't a P6 then it isn't a procesor
110% BX fanboy<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by pIII_Man on 11/01/03 05:28 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
November 1, 2003 8:23:53 PM

I forgive you. I know you've been dumped by someone, but please, don't hurt the PIII Man, he's sekzy and a great date. Hey PIII MAN wanna go out with G5_inside?

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November 1, 2003 8:29:28 PM

well, only if he puts his great big g5 inside of me, you can come too...


If it isn't a P6 then it isn't a procesor
110% BX fanboy
November 1, 2003 8:31:45 PM

Well, looks like we found his "G" Spot eh. :smile:

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November 1, 2003 8:34:21 PM

lmao


If it isn't a P6 then it isn't a procesor
110% BX fanboy
November 1, 2003 10:03:24 PM

*slap*
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November 2, 2003 9:59:42 AM

4.4 terrabytes of <b> non ECC </b>RAM. Thats one weird cluster I tell you. That thing has to be producing memory corruption errors (and therefore quite possibly, wrong results) like on an hourly basis.

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November 2, 2003 4:07:46 PM

I would much rather get a system from www.go-l.com for the price, not only would it be TREMENDOUSLY FASTER, but it looks just as cool as the G5's pretty box (and a lot more manly), but also has available solid state harddrives, something Apple hasn't done.

In reality though, if I had 5 grand to drop on a computer, I'd build an overclocked dualopteron...which would kick any PC's @ss.

RDRAM = ENEMY
November 3, 2003 3:06:38 AM

I wonder... i remeber a while back some one had taken a G4 500 when they first came out and was able to super cool it some how so that they could over clock it to something like 1Ghz...

i don;t ever here much about OC Mac's but i got to wonder what they are capable of.

would you buy a G5 if you could over clock it...

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November 3, 2003 3:18:12 PM

Probably not...I'd lose a lot of software and games. If it actually did perform to it's worth and was capable of running any application I wanted at full speed, then maybe. But at that point, why wouldn't I just get a PC??

The only thing I actually like about OSX is the dock, but I have objectdock, which is better IMHO.

Oh yeah, I couldn't live with having to actually pay for a lot of my software--seems that Kazaa has a relatively limited amount of Apple-platform software.

I wonder though: does the G5 system have the same 2+DIMM problem as the 875 chipset? It doesn't use registered RAM (I actually LIKE it and think it is necessary for the FX [and futue iterations of it] to at least have registered RAM be an option--I would hate to have a FX with middling RAM performance when used in quantities), leaving there the chance of the half-assed performance that the 875 displayed. However, what gamer NEEDS 2GB of RAM?? If someone was out to get a workstation that had 2GB+ of RAM, they would be better off in everyway (except price relative to a single P4 system) to get a dual Xeon or dual Opteron system with registered RAM.

As for dual opteron or dual xeon vs. dual G5, just look at the opteron vs dual G5 benchmark numbers, including the price, then talk to me after that.

RDRAM = ENEMY
November 3, 2003 3:31:36 PM

do you know that this cluster dont even support ECC.

I dont like french test
November 3, 2003 3:35:11 PM

wonder though: does the G5 system have the same 2+DIMM problem as the 875 chipset? It doesn't use registered RAM (I actually LIKE it and think it is necessary for the FX [and futue iterations of it] to at least have registered RAM be an option--I would hate to have a FX with middling RAM performance when used in quantities), leaving there the chance of the half-assed performance that the 875 displayed. However, what gamer NEEDS 2GB of RAM?? If someone was out to get a workstation that had 2GB+ of RAM, they would be better off in everyway (except price relative to a single P4 system) to get a dual Xeon or dual Opteron system with registered RAM.


That is big scrap

I dont like french test
November 3, 2003 4:04:17 PM

Explain what you mean by that is big scrap?

RDRAM = ENEMY
November 3, 2003 4:11:28 PM

Im not too sure about this but i did read something somewhere that the NEw G5s can't use anything past 4GB of ram right now not untill the OS is completly 64 bit(or perhaps it was untill panther was released)...or something to that effect...then again... it might be something like 4GB Max on the dual and 2Gb max on the singles... i have no idea.

but even still if the dual does already have the capability to use 4Gb Ram thats pretty good.



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November 3, 2003 4:26:24 PM

I wouldnt't doubt if it were 4GB for the dual and 2GB for the single. What I am really wondering about (not for personal purchase, but just more stuff to rip on Macs) is if the G5 has the same problem as the 875 chipset in that is there performance loss over a certain number of DIMMS??

RDRAM = ENEMY
November 3, 2003 4:49:01 PM

Knowing the Mac Community.. they would never let you find out... you would need a place like TOMS here(unbias) to do a review on the system.

It's like pulling teeth trying to get a site such as Toms to review a Mac. But I figure if enoguh people speak up, they might listen and perhaps do some test on a G5

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November 3, 2003 5:48:31 PM

It's about time I have a good reason to create 50+ anonymous email addresses!! Anyway, that really isn't worth my time since I have no real reason to obtain the information. However, I will request a thorough investigation/report on PC (dual opteron, single FX, single 64, dual Xeon, single P4, single P4EE, and dual P4EE [if possible]) vs. G5 (including OCing [if possible], 2+DIMMs, single vs. dual processor)--anybody with me?? I actually do have some motivation: my school's yearbook and newspaper offices want to get rid of all their G3 and G4 systems, and I don't want any more low performing G5s (I'm a layout editor for the yearbook and I help the newspaper out with layout when they think it needs freshening, anyway, I use the computers a lot and I want to get rid of the slow and crashing Macs [ESPECIALLY in InDesign]), so maybe if there is a report I could sway them to go the way of Opteron or Xeon.

RDRAM = ENEMY
November 3, 2003 5:50:44 PM

Quote:
you get what you pay for

That makes this cluster worth alot of Pizza and Soda pop. The price is so greaty misconstrued it isn't funny. The reason this cluster is so much cheaper than the ones it is compared to is that the college had volunteers assemble it that got paid zilch.

As with any cluster of this size it is the fabric that is the most important thing, not the CPU's in question. ALL else is just Mac boy fan boyism.

It's not what they tell you, its what they don't tell you!
November 3, 2003 7:24:34 PM

well i don't know if you have posted or replied to the poll in the Polls forum by <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/community/modules.php?na..." target="_new">Mephistopheles</A>

Speek up in there too :) 

But maybe its about time a New Poll was started. Sometihng that Might get the Attention of the people at Toms.

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November 3, 2003 8:13:48 PM

Oh man, polls section--I always forget about it. I'll check out his poll and maybe make my own if I see it fit to change the criteria/just get reacknowleged.

RDRAM = (ENEMY)^2
November 3, 2003 11:47:28 PM

I just e-mailed one of the editors and made a formal request for reviewing. The content was primarily asking if the editor can e-mail those concerned in the CPU review writing, and find out why they won't review, or what is happening so they can't do any. As well, I've linked him to the POLL so he can see the proof. 83 votes is a serious record in POLLs on THGC, and more than 50% want Apple or Itanium benchmarks.

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November 4, 2003 12:50:24 AM

Alright, cool. Do you think that if enough of us push hard enough for a thorough review we could get one?

RDRAM = (ENEMY)^2
November 4, 2003 1:12:47 AM

Fully half of the people polled want "THG should try to be as open as possible and review both IA-64 and Apple solutions, as well as other options that present themselves".

It would be a smart move then, wouldn't it?

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November 4, 2003 1:12:48 AM

Fully half of the people polled want "THG should try to be as open as possible and review both IA-64 and Apple solutions, as well as other options that present themselves".

It would be a smart move then, wouldn't it?

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November 4, 2003 2:02:28 AM

Maybe.

My guess is they won't because they can't. Price maybe?
Maybe Apple doesn't give freebies for testing?

We'll have to see what the reply says.

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November 4, 2003 4:30:59 AM

GREAT!!! let us know how that goes!

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November 4, 2003 1:05:32 PM

> Maybe Apple doesn't give freebies for testing?

Would you give machines to sites who were going to make you look bad?

Shadus
November 4, 2003 1:24:48 PM

lost circuit make some test after i found that only PAT get disable leading to 0 to 5% decrease.

I dont like french test
November 4, 2003 2:46:36 PM

I know what you mean and it is my theory as well.

But then again many sites tested it thoroughly and proved Apple really DOESN'T have that much to offer or was sugar coating the G5 too much (if not even cheated to make it look better).

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November 4, 2003 2:47:12 PM

So should we just assume that in fact they are bad (kind of like guilty until proven innocent)?? In which case Eden is even more screwed for his debate on why Macs are better.

RDRAM = (ENEMY)^2
November 4, 2003 2:53:54 PM

I knew I should've sat on the other side of the class... :eek: 

:wink:

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November 4, 2003 3:00:15 PM

Toms hasn't done macs, but alot of other sites have (and I seriously doubt in alot of cases if apple provided the macs), and macs can't really hold their own. I don't figure apple is going to loose money to show people how poorly their product performs, they probally only give hardware to benchie to sites that favor ... macs.

Shadus
November 4, 2003 3:07:30 PM

It would still be nice if they did do a Mac review. Maybe there is an application that Macs do really hold their own (probably because it hasn't been designed or even compiled for windows).

If Apple doesn't want to show us the goods in an unbiased test, they should on all accounts be considered inferior (see my other post).

RDRAM = (ENEMY)^2
November 4, 2003 3:13:44 PM

Does your instructor know that you are pro-PC?? If so, he might have just chosen YOUR (i.e., whatever side you were on) to go be pro-Mac. Anyway, there are two Mac fanatics (one of them actually knows something about computers, too) in my dorm I'll ask them if they have any pro-Mac argument that we haven't arleady bashed apart. The one who does know something about computers though is a little mad at Apple, he upgraded to Panther and data on his firewire HDD suddenly wasn't there/accessible anymore.

RDRAM = (ENEMY)^2
November 4, 2003 3:25:46 PM

Well, see, the class teams were chosen simply by side. Left is Mac, right is PC. I was sitting on the left side. There really isn't any implication or intended choice, it was just random 2 side choices.

Haha, I had read on the Firewire bug. It seems indeed transfering to Pather caused a lot of data loss! Read THG'd Hard News for it.

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November 4, 2003 3:36:49 PM

Damn, I'm still the only one I know that teachers pickon for liking PCs more than Macs. Oh well, they'll see the light (or the benchmarks).

About the bug...my friend installed it just before I read it, I walk in to ask him if he had a firewire drive but he beat me to the punchline and asked me if there was an easy/cheap way to recover data on a mac. Is there one??

RDRAM = (ENEMY)^2
November 4, 2003 4:54:12 PM

BUGS!?! *GASP*

On a MAC?!!? *FAINT*

How can this be?!?! Macs are the greatest thing since sliced silicon!!

I love it that just when a Mac fanboy spouts off... a bug or vulnerability in OS X comes to light.

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