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November 11, 2003 12:19:14 AM

Heh, too all you mac lovers out there, read <A HREF="http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/03/11/10/2047209.shtml?..." target="_new"> this </A>.



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November 11, 2003 1:26:48 AM

Hahah, that is whacked, yet so cool!

Finally some company actually stands up to false claims!

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November 11, 2003 2:34:28 AM

blair had a biff with a G5. bill gates probably pays him to buy a PC.

PC's are awsome. Macs are gay

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November 11, 2003 2:55:57 AM

I thought it had to do with the guy be blowed thourgh all those walls. Plus his front door.
November 11, 2003 4:37:56 AM

Sad News.. i am hopeing that this will be considered Good news...

Steve need a slap in the face like that... he need to be put in his place...Hopfully he'll see that making false claims will catch up to you.

If he is to gain any respect it has to be though honesty...

If he is smart, he'll pull that Stupid ad from everywhere. other wise the news about that ad being pulled will spead and casue to many people to ask questions...ones Steve would rather not have to answer.

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November 11, 2003 8:38:08 AM

This is great news.

The G5 is a nice piece of kit, but it can't be the world's fastest personal whatsit because the dual 2GHz version is faster than the 1.6GHz version, and the standard spec dual 2GHz only comes with a R9600 Pro etc. So many variables etc.

I know I shouldn't do this, but check this out...

From Apple's UK Website:

1.6GHz PowerPC G5
800MHz frontside bus
512K L2 cache
256MB DDR333 128-bit SDRAM
Expandable to 4GB SDRAM
80GB Serial ATA
SuperDrive
Three PCI Slots
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
64MB DDR video memory
56K internal modem

£1,549.00 !?!?

Yeah, right...

"Some mice have two buttons. Macintosh has one. So it's extremely difficult to push the wrong button." - Apple ad. circa 1984.
November 11, 2003 2:03:20 PM

1500 quid gets you 256Mb of RAM and a 5200 Ultra? That's insane. Granted the 256Mb probably goes a lot further under OSX, but all the same..

You could build an excellent rig for that sort of cash..

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November 11, 2003 3:13:52 PM

Here's what that £1500 COULD buy in PC terms...

AMD Athlon 64 3200 (Socket 754) - Retail - £289.95
Asus K8V Deluxe (Socket 754) Motherboard - £92.25
Corsair 1GB DDR XMS3200C2 Pro TwinX CAS2 - £175.00
Coolermaster ATC-201B-BXT "Black Widow" Case - £84.90
Enermax EG465AX-VE(G)(FMA) 460W ATX PSU - £56.95
Western Digital 120GB SE 8MB Cache Serial ATA - £72.95
Freecom Classic DVD+/-RW (Black) - Internal Retail - £89.90
Logitech Cordless Desktop MX - Retail - £64.50
Asus ATI Radeon 9800XT/TVD 256MB - £349.90

Subtotal - £1,276.30
VAT - £223.36
Total - £1,499.66

I would never spent that much on a PC rig, but it kinda shows you how Apple customers are being robbed...

"Some mice have two buttons. Macintosh has one. So it's extremely difficult to push the wrong button." - Apple ad. circa 1984.
November 11, 2003 3:19:38 PM

Not only should Stevie realize that it isn't the fastest, but also that for the money, it's a POS!! That system you configged would devour that G5 system. I guess all you get when you buy a mac is an empty wallet and an improved e-pussy. Oh well...

Damn Rambus.
November 11, 2003 3:49:40 PM

Seems like Apple doesn't know how to use multipliers and instead ups the performance with higher buses and higher clock speeds. Very weird, and it should limit eventually the scaling if the bus is already this high-clocked. I bet it isn't clocked that high.

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November 11, 2003 3:57:43 PM

Yeah, it is weird, but I wonder how the 1GHz bus speed manages only with DDR400. I wonder how (if?) the RAM speed relates at all to the CPU speed. Argh, I'll never understand Macs and all their anti-glory--I all I know is that they are complete POSs for gamers, no longer have a stronghold in image editting, and are in no way worth what they cost. Oh yeah, they dont look THAT great either.

(I apologize for trolling)

Damn Rambus.
November 11, 2003 4:48:07 PM

I accually found sometihng interesting...trying to help a freind sell his G4 17" with superDrive 1Ghz Laptop for $2000 US...that is a good deal(according to apple price listings)

anyhow. since i am in canada, i had to do the conversions and found something interesting.

The Canadian $ is ALOT higher then it used to be <A HREF="http://www.x-rates.com/d/USD/CAD/hist2003.html" target="_new">clicky</A>

I can buy a Mac from the States and have it shipped here for $200-500 CAN less.

i haven't bothered to check if the same thing would apply to anyother contry...but i would assume that flying it Over sea's would be more money...but then again i could be wrong.



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November 11, 2003 5:17:02 PM

The USD/dollar/$ is relatively weak at the moment, so it is a good time to buy-and-ship (especially in rip-off UK)

"Some mice have two buttons. Macintosh has one. So it's extremely difficult to push the wrong button." - Apple ad. circa 1984.
November 11, 2003 9:20:30 PM

I'll complete my website soon.

What's wrong with 1 GHz Duron? Maybe it's an unusual setup (Duron + nForce2 Ultra400)? Though it's pretty slow for encoding jobs, I don't have money now to upgrade. With Radeon 9000 (non-PRO) it's not a bottleneck for gaming. 15% overclock is quite good considering very poor HSF and no thermal compound in use. When I have money, I'll upgrade to AXP 2400+ (and overclock it).

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November 11, 2003 9:46:43 PM

Well, that's not quite fair. Remember the G5 is a Dual machine with a PCI-X bus. Lets make a better comparision eh?

• Dual 2GHz PowerPC G5
• 1GB DDR400 SDRAM (PC3200) - 2x512
• 160GB Serial ATA - 7200rpm
• ATI Radeon 9600 Pro
• SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
• Apple Keyboard & Apple Mouse - U.S. English
• Mac OS X - U.S. English

$3,220.00

Dual Opteron 2GHz $770 x2= $1540
Tyan Thunder KW8 $475
OCZ (2x 256MB) ECC Registered PC-3200 $166 x2 = $332
CasTek CS-1081A Server Case $45
Antec True500W EPS PSU $115
Seagate 160GB 7200rpm SATA drive $143.50
Lite On Black 48x24x48x16 CDROM/CDRW/DVD Combo $53,99
Logitech Deluxe Desktop $13
ATI RADEON 9800 PRO 128MB DVI/TV 8X AGP RETAIL $365
Windows XP Professional $138

$3,220.49

Ooooo, the mac is 49c cheaper. Mind you, I'd expect to get more than 49c extra performance from that dual Opteron baby. But it does demonstrate that in the high end workstation market, the dual G5 is actually quite fairly priced.

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November 11, 2003 10:12:21 PM

Um, you used a 9800PRO, that's easily 200$ more to the price. Best replace it with a 9600PRO to level things and then include a DVD burner.

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November 11, 2003 11:11:51 PM

I think you're referring to my post. Anyway, is the FSB at all related to the RAM speed in Macs?? It would seem pretty stupid of them (or smart in terms of saving themselves money) to use PC2700 on the 800MHz bus and PC3200 on the 1000MHz bus, wouldn't it? If they are trying to outsmart their buyers, this is yet another reason not to but their computers (in my mind, it is akin to Dell selling a P4C 2.8 with PC2100 memory in a 3:2 ratio).

Damn Rambus.
November 12, 2003 12:05:12 AM

can anyone in the UK back up this article? I see fake stuff on slashdot all the time.. it was probably a troll article...
November 12, 2003 12:20:18 AM

Here you go:

<A HREF="http://www.itc.org.uk/itc_publications/complaints_repor..." target="_new">http://www.itc.org.uk/itc_publications/complaints_repor...;/A>


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Apple PowerMac G5

Complaint from: 8 viewers

Background

An advertisement for the new Apple Power Mac G5 claimed it was "the world's fastest, most powerful personal computer".

Issue

Viewers complained that the advertising was misleading because the main claim was based on the results of limited tests in which the specification of the computers used was configured to give Apple the best results.

Assessment

Prior to broadcast, the BACC's independent IT expert raised some concerns, which the advertiser responded to. The BACC was satisfied with the advertiser's further substantiation and approved the commercial.

The advertiser provided the ITC with evidence which it claimed showed that the tests, carried out by an independent third party, were "fair and even".

Due to the technical nature of the advertiser's response, the ITC asked the BACC to refer the complaints and the response to the BACC's expert. He found that the claim was not supported by independent reviews and that at best "the G5 was generally as fast as the best Intel-based workstations currently available".

The ITC considered that there was insufficient evidence to support the claim "world's fastest, most powerful personal computer". Furthermore, it shared one viewer's doubt that the claim could be substantiated at all because, as evidence for and against the claim had shown, computers were constantly being updated and had many different applications and benchmarks. It reminded the BACC of the importance to obtain solid evidence for such absolute claims. It judged that the advertising was misleading and required that it should not be re-shown in its current form.

Conclusion

Complaints upheld. Breach of ITC Code Rule 5.2.1.




<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by RAIN_KING_UK on 11/11/03 09:21 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
November 12, 2003 12:23:26 AM

You're back! Let the fun begin...

As for trolling, <b><i>you really shouldn't talk</b></i> unless you have changed your missionary ways.

Damn Rambus.
November 12, 2003 6:41:34 AM

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Now if they can just be nailed for false advertising in the US, we'll be batting .1000.

It's a rare thing to see a company be forced to stop misleading advertising... let's hope this catches on.

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November 12, 2003 7:25:34 AM

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Here's what that £1500 COULD buy in PC terms...

A killer rig, but I do have to point out it would be unusable compared to the Mac... as it's kinda missing a monitor... :lol:  ..

But you could make room for a good one by downgrading to a 9600Pro... or possibly basing it around a high-end P4C instead, and still crush it..<font color=red>*</font color=red>


<font color=red>*</font color=red>I am of course referring to the 1.6Ghz Single CPU example given above...

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November 12, 2003 8:44:07 AM

But that Mac price (£1549) doesn't include a monitor either.

"Some mice have two buttons. Macintosh has one. So it's extremely difficult to push the wrong button." - Apple ad. circa 1984.
November 12, 2003 10:37:42 AM

oops.. I just assumed that it did. my bad. :redface:

I was thinking they jam all the stuff into one of those weird pod things with the LCD on a flexible arm. But the G5 comes in a more conventional case of course... Of course that makes it all the worse, value-wise, b/c I was thinking that £1500 included a nice LCD screen... :eek: 

I just went to have a browse around the site myself but it seems it's down temporarily.. maybe they saw this thread :lol: 

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November 12, 2003 2:13:53 PM

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Heh, too all you mac lovers out there

<A HREF="http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/7/new_macs.html" target="_new"> If you feel that you will be offended by this link, don't click it</A>

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November 12, 2003 3:14:38 PM

That's the last we'll hear of the Mac brigade for a while... They're all going to be too 'busy' to argue that their 'puters are the best.... :lol: 

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