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Nights_L   11-29-2003 at 07:34:39 AM

here it goes
I have an old motherboard, Abit BF6, intel 440BX chipset based. It has an old Celeron500 (Mendocino) sitting on it
I wonder if I can do any CPU upgrade for this mobo? with a Celeron1300 (Tualatin) for example? is that possible?

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darko21   11-29-2003 at 07:56:02 AM
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I think its possible. but probably not worth the cost or effort. I think you need a slot1 converter card then possibly a bios upgrade. In therory it should work but ya never know maybe your mb won't have a bios to allow it.

is your board is slot1 ?

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tombance   11-29-2003 at 12:05:55 PM
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Wait for Crashman before settling on anything...

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upec   11-29-2003 at 05:07:28 PM
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You will need a special slocket for it.

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Nights_L   11-29-2003 at 06:04:59 PM
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ok...
Crashman, where are you?? :smile:

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Crashman   11-29-2003 at 11:37:13 PM
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<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=521622#521622" target="_new">From the Motherboards FAQ:</A>

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Q. I have a Slot 1 board and have heard about using an inexpensive Upgradeware adapter to make the newer Tualatin CPU's work, any recommendations?

A. It depends on whether your motherboard uses the original VRM 8.2 voltage regulator or the later VRM 8.4 version. The Upgradeware adapter's voltage adjustments do nothing more than manipulate the voltage detection pins of the Slot1 package. So you can have your CPU detected at voltages from 1.30v to 2.05v. And the MOTHERBOARD'S Voltage Regulator will set the voltage to whatever it detects, UNLESS it's out of range. That means, if your board has the earlier VRM 8.2 voltage regulator, which has operational voltages from 1.8 upwards, you would have to set the Upgradeware adapter to AT LEAST 1.8v just to get it to boot! 1.8v is fine to get Coppermine CPU's to work on VRM 8.2 boards, because the Coppermine is .18 micron and can handle it. The Tualatin however is .13 micron, and voltages above 1.70v are likely to damage it!

VRM 8.4. was released in anticipation of the Coppermine core CPU and allows voltages down to 1.5v or less. So basically, if your board was designed or revised for use with Coppermine CPU's, it will work with the Tualatin on the Upgradeware adapter at reasonable voltages (1.50v recommended). Otherwise, you'll need a Powerleap adapter, as these have their own ONBOARD VRM, which allows the board to detect the adapter itself at a higher voltage while the CPU operates on a separate voltage input from the Powerleap VRM.


BF6 supports Coppermines as far as I know, which would mean it has VRM 8.4, which would mean it also supports the Upgradeware Slot-T adapter, which would be the BEST solution for running a Tualatin on that board. I usually recommend the Tualatin Celeron 1100@1466/133 in order to overcome the memory bottleneck of the original 100MHz bus speed.


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pIII_Man   11-30-2003 at 02:07:53 AM
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ya u can run a tully in a bx...

actually the bx is probably the best chipset to run a tualatin in.

BTW new egg and googlegear are both selling the tualatin 1.2 for 39 bux. The 1.1 and 1.0a are 55 bux. I would recomend going for the 1.2, just cause its 15 bux cheeper, mine was able to hit 1.6 at 1.70 and did 1.7ghz at astronomical voltages.


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Nights_L   11-30-2003 at 07:18:34 AM
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thx, Crashman and piii_man
ok..then do I need a special adapter for that? cuz my old celeron is actually sitting on that board with a "unknown" adapter, which is writting "PGA-370"..can I simply use that adapter or i need a new one?
there is only one jumper on that adapter, i don't really know what's that for.. :tongue:
btw, how do i make sure that it has VRM 8.4?
thx for any helps~

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Crashman   11-30-2003 at 12:10:56 PM
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go to <A HREF="http://www.upgradeware.com" target="_new">http://www.upgradeware.com</A>. Yes you need a special adapter, that's the best one to get, cost $20 in the U.S., and there's a compatability list on the site.

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Nights_L   11-30-2003 at 07:34:03 PM
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I just went to Abit's web site, it doesn't say that BF6 is supporting Tualatin..
<A HREF="http://www.abit.com.tw/page/ta/download/download_detail.php?pFILE_TYPE=Bios&pMAIN_TYPE=Motherboard&pTITLE_ON_SCREEN=BF6&pSOCKET_TYPE=Slot+1" target="_new">Abit BF6</A>
or it supports IF i use that upgradeware?
and i'll need a Bios upgrade right?

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Crashman   11-30-2003 at 07:48:57 PM
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OMFG! d00d, NONE of these boards support Tualatin natively, they ALL require an adapter! And you probably didn't go to upgradware's site did you?

If it supports Coppermine, it supports Tualatin by use of an Upgradeware adapter.

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Nights_L   11-30-2003 at 10:12:13 PM
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yeah I did, I saw the compatiblity list, the Abit BF6 is in the list
just want to make sure.. :smile:

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Crashman   12-01-2003 at 12:11:59 AM
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How's this sound: I used to refurbish boards and sell them on eBay, ALL my Abit and Asus boards worked with the Upgradeware adapter and a Celeron 1100@1466.

The only thing that prevents them from working is that some VERY early boards didn't support voltages below 1.80v. ALL were revised to support Coppermines, and ALL those revised boards support Tualatins on the Upgradeware adapter. In addition, ALL boards released after the Coppermine were compatable.

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Nights_L   12-01-2003 at 02:26:47 AM
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mine should be able to do that, I can set the voltage manually from 1.x to 2.x (i don't remember)
however, is that board going to be able to do 133FSB? when I set 133FSB, PCI becomes 1/4, but AGP stays at 2/3, will it work?

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pIII_Man   12-01-2003 at 02:35:19 AM
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what gpu?

BTW this was pulled from abits webpage, This board does not support Tualatin core PIII / Celeron processors, in regaurds to the BF6.


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Crashman   12-01-2003 at 03:05:29 AM
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None of your boards do either, but for some odd reason they work.

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Crashman   12-01-2003 at 03:11:54 AM
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Some cards work OK, others don't. You could run it at stock speed if you HAD to.

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pIII_Man   12-01-2003 at 03:40:57 AM
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Well i thought he was wondering if they nativly support the tully.

BTW my cusl2 has the tully microcodes...i suppose that is half ass support.


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Nights_L   12-01-2003 at 04:35:46 AM
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Anyhow..I'll give it a try, that computer won't be for gaming anyway, purely for Internet surfing or word processing...maybe some games..but really rare, so I guess that even with 100Mhz bus should do fine...I just don't want to waste a good board
for games, I got my XP2600+ here :smile:

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Crashman   12-01-2003 at 10:12:54 AM
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Yes, well we've already established it needs an adapter. All slot 1 boards need an adapter for ANY socketed chip! And we've already established that he needs his adapter to be Tualatin compatable. Telling him the board doesn't support Tualatins is like telling him an adapter won't work.

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Crashman   12-01-2003 at 10:13:41 AM
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BTW, your CUSL2 needs a different kind of adaptor, unless you wire mod a Tually.

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Crashman   12-01-2003 at 10:15:30 AM
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Leave the old CPU in there. Word processing and web browsing take very little power.

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Nights_L   12-01-2003 at 11:34:59 AM
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yeah, I know, but that Celeron isn't able to run WindowsXP with acceptable speed..

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pIII_Man   12-01-2003 at 03:41:33 PM
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i wire moded...i am cheep


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Crashman   12-02-2003 at 12:35:51 AM
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It probably would if you had 512MB of RAM. But XP is an inferior OS for such a system, I suggest the far faster Windows 98SE operating system.

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Crashman   12-02-2003 at 12:43:21 AM
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Odd definition of cheap, risking a $40 processor to save $8.

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pIII_Man   12-02-2003 at 03:22:55 AM
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lol...i suppose, but it worked so i save 8 bux...

I wouldn't have done it if i thought the cpu was at risk.

Its just like overclocking, it may kill the cpu, but most of the time it does not if you are careful and know what you are doing. Same thing occured here...i had enough knowledge to know what pins to remove and which to connect without screwing anything up. I have never heard of anyone killing their cpu by the mod, just running their tully's at very high voltages on first boot because they failed to do the vid mod.

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BTW, your CUSL2 needs a different kind of adaptor, unless you wire mod a Tually.


I dont know why you told me this since i obviously got the cpu running <i>somehow</i> running.


If it isn't a P6 then it isn't a procesor
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Nights_L   12-02-2003 at 05:42:40 AM
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that's what i'm thinking, but i'm not quite sure even with 512MB, that celeron will be able to do that
it did a good job with win2000/98/me thus (256MB)

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Crashman   12-02-2003 at 07:18:06 AM
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If it did OK under 2k at 256MB, it should be fine under XP with 512MB. Get your RAM from Crucial, they carry a 256MB 16-chip double-sided DIMM that will work with that board.

Actually, they carry 3, PC100, PC133 Cas3, and PC133 Cas2. Due to high demand by idiots, Cas2 is often cheaper than Cas3.

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Nights_L   12-03-2003 at 03:26:50 AM
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lol..idiots..I'll be one of them.. :tongue:
but I couldn't find any Crucial's PC133 RAM in any stores near my home, should i try to get them online?

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Crashman   12-03-2003 at 09:39:49 AM
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www.crucial.com. You can search using your board.

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pIII_Man   12-03-2003 at 03:05:02 PM
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newegg carries the low density stuff too...


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Nights_L   12-03-2003 at 03:42:15 PM
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ok thanks for all your help!
If I get it done, I'll let you guys know!

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pIII_Man   12-03-2003 at 07:31:47 PM
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you still havent answered which gpu you have...it might not even be worth to buy the pc133 memory depending on which card it is...



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Nights_L   12-04-2003 at 12:45:29 AM
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ah, okok..
actually, that board has a ATI Rage Pro <b>PCI</b> on it, that's why I didn't mention..but i might be buying a GeForce2 MX200AGP from a friend, would cost me about 30$CAN
and yes, GF2MX200 sucks, i know it^^, but i'm not willing to spend more than that with a Celeron :tongue:

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Nights_L   12-04-2003 at 12:49:19 AM
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oh btw, I updated this board's Bios, it's now supporting to 1.1Ghz CPU with 100FSB or some PIII(don't remember speed in Mhz) with 133FSB, when I pulled down the "CPU SoftMenu III" in Bios
but I still can't change the AGP other than 2/3 or 1/2, so..do u think PC133 might be worthy?

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pIII_Man   12-04-2003 at 03:45:45 AM
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my rage pro agp could take over 100mhz agp bus...but you do not have to worry about that because you have a PCI card, since the clock generator impliments the pci divider you have a later board that supports the 1/4x divider meaning your agp bus at 133.3mhz fsb will be exactly 33.33mhz :smile:

BTW no 440bx board ever manufactured (other than maybe intel test samples) has a 1/2x divider (so dont go looking for bioses supporting it).

Also most geforce 2's could handle wiked bus speeds so i think your geforce 2mx could cope with up to a +90mhz agp bus.


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Crashman   12-04-2003 at 03:56:16 AM
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I've never seen a GeForce2 that couldn't handle the higher bus speeds with the BX at 133-150MHz FSB.

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Nights_L   12-04-2003 at 04:44:45 AM
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ok...so Time for OverClocking then!
is 1100Mhz Tualatin the only version that can do 133? the 1300Mhz won't be able to do that right?

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pIII_Man   12-04-2003 at 04:51:35 AM
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i can almost gurantee the 900a (i am pretty sure they made that) the 1.0a the 1.1a will make it. The 1.2 is kinda' middle ground, mine did 133mhz fsb but thats pushing it. The 1.3 has little chance 1730mhz is very high, my 1.2 required 2.1v to run 1.7ghz (and over 1.7v is no good for the cpu). With the 1.4 forget it.

Since you will be running graphics cards which will not hold back your overclocking i would get the 1.1a (if you are willing to pay the 15 bux extra for it over the 1.2) you should be able to get with good mem you could probably run 146x11 for 1600mhz if your chip can take it.


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Crashman   12-04-2003 at 07:34:44 AM
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1100=usually
1200=sometimes
1300=rarely
1400=never

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pIII_Man   12-04-2003 at 06:58:29 PM
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did they ever make a 900a?


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Nights_L   12-05-2003 at 04:35:57 AM
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actually...i might be disappointing you, cuz i'm not willing to spend 15$ more ... :tongue:

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