Can I run a Tualatin Celeron with 440BX?

[Nights_L]

here it goes
I have an old motherboard, Abit BF6, intel 440BX chipset based. It has an old Celeron500 (Mendocino) sitting on it
I wonder if I can do any CPU upgrade for this mobo? with a Celeron1300 (Tualatin) for example? is that possible?

 

[darko21]

I think its possible. but probably not worth the cost or effort. I think you need a slot1 converter card then possibly a bios upgrade. In therory it should work but ya never know maybe your mb won't have a bios to allow it.

is your board is slot1 ?

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[tombance]

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[upec]

You will need a special slocket for it.

 

[Nights_L]

ok...
Crashman, where are you??

 

[Crashman]

<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=521622#521622" target="_new">From the Motherboards FAQ:</A>

Q. I have a Slot 1 board and have heard about using an inexpensive Upgradeware adapter to make the newer Tualatin CPU's work, any recommendations?

A. It depends on whether your motherboard uses the original VRM 8.2 voltage regulator or the later VRM 8.4 version. The Upgradeware adapter's voltage adjustments do nothing more than manipulate the voltage detection pins of the Slot1 package. So you can have your CPU detected at voltages from 1.30v to 2.05v. And the MOTHERBOARD'S Voltage Regulator will set the voltage to whatever it detects, UNLESS it's out of range. That means, if your board has the earlier VRM 8.2 voltage regulator, which has operational voltages from 1.8 upwards, you would have to set the Upgradeware adapter to AT LEAST 1.8v just to get it to boot! 1.8v is fine to get Coppermine CPU's to work on VRM 8.2 boards, because the Coppermine is .18 micron and can handle it. The Tualatin however is .13 micron, and voltages above 1.70v are likely to damage it!

VRM 8.4. was released in anticipation of the Coppermine core CPU and allows voltages down to 1.5v or less. So basically, if your board was designed or revised for use with Coppermine CPU's, it will work with the Tualatin on the Upgradeware adapter at reasonable voltages (1.50v recommended). Otherwise, you'll need a Powerleap adapter, as these have their own ONBOARD VRM, which allows the board to detect the adapter itself at a higher voltage while the CPU operates on a separate voltage input from the Powerleap VRM.

BF6 supports Coppermines as far as I know, which would mean it has VRM 8.4, which would mean it also supports the Upgradeware Slot-T adapter, which would be the BEST solution for running a Tualatin on that board. I usually recommend the Tualatin Celeron 1100@1466/133 in order to overcome the memory bottleneck of the original 100MHz bus speed.


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[pIII_Man]

ya u can run a tully in a bx...

actually the bx is probably the best chipset to run a tualatin in.

BTW new egg and googlegear are both selling the tualatin 1.2 for 39 bux. The 1.1 and 1.0a are 55 bux. I would recomend going for the 1.2, just cause its 15 bux cheeper, mine was able to hit 1.6 at 1.70 and did 1.7ghz at astronomical voltages.


If it isn't a P6 then it isn't a procesor
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[Nights_L]

thx, Crashman and piii_man
ok..then do I need a special adapter for that? cuz my old celeron is actually sitting on that board with a "unknown" adapter, which is writting "PGA-370"..can I simply use that adapter or i need a new one?
there is only one jumper on that adapter, i don't really know what's that for.. :tongue:
btw, how do i make sure that it has VRM 8.4?
thx for any helps~

 

[Crashman]

go to <A HREF="http://www.upgradeware.com" target="_new">http://www.upgradeware.com</A>. Yes you need a special adapter, that's the best one to get, cost $20 in the U.S., and there's a compatability list on the site.

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[Nights_L]

I just went to Abit's web site, it doesn't say that BF6 is supporting Tualatin..
<A HREF="http://www.abit.com.tw/page/ta/download/download_detail.php?pFILE_TYPE=Bios&pMAIN_TYPE=Motherboard&pTITLE_ON_SCREEN=BF6&pSOCKET_TYPE=Slot+1" target="_new">Abit BF6</A>
or it supports IF i use that upgradeware?
and i'll need a Bios upgrade right?

 

[Crashman]

OMFG! d00d, NONE of these boards support Tualatin natively, they ALL require an adapter! And you probably didn't go to upgradware's site did you?

If it supports Coppermine, it supports Tualatin by use of an Upgradeware adapter.

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[Nights_L]

yeah I did, I saw the compatiblity list, the Abit BF6 is in the list
just want to make sure..

 

[Crashman]

How's this sound: I used to refurbish boards and sell them on eBay, ALL my Abit and Asus boards worked with the Upgradeware adapter and a Celeron 1100@1466.

The only thing that prevents them from working is that some VERY early boards didn't support voltages below 1.80v. ALL were revised to support Coppermines, and ALL those revised boards support Tualatins on the Upgradeware adapter. In addition, ALL boards released after the Coppermine were compatable.

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[Nights_L]

mine should be able to do that, I can set the voltage manually from 1.x to 2.x (i don't remember)
however, is that board going to be able to do 133FSB? when I set 133FSB, PCI becomes 1/4, but AGP stays at 2/3, will it work?

 

[pIII_Man]

what gpu?

BTW this was pulled from abits webpage, This board does not support Tualatin core PIII / Celeron processors, in regaurds to the BF6.


If it isn't a P6 then it isn't a procesor
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[Crashman]

None of your boards do either, but for some odd reason they work.

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[Crashman]

Some cards work OK, others don't. You could run it at stock speed if you HAD to.

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[pIII_Man]

Well i thought he was wondering if they nativly support the tully.

BTW my cusl2 has the tully microcodes...i suppose that is half ass support.


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[Nights_L]

Anyhow..I'll give it a try, that computer won't be for gaming anyway, purely for Internet surfing or word processing...maybe some games..but really rare, so I guess that even with 100Mhz bus should do fine...I just don't want to waste a good board
for games, I got my XP2600+ here

 

[Crashman]

Yes, well we've already established it needs an adapter. All slot 1 boards need an adapter for ANY socketed chip! And we've already established that he needs his adapter to be Tualatin compatable. Telling him the board doesn't support Tualatins is like telling him an adapter won't work.

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[Crashman]

BTW, your CUSL2 needs a different kind of adaptor, unless you wire mod a Tually.

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[Crashman]

Leave the old CPU in there. Word processing and web browsing take very little power.

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[Nights_L]

yeah, I know, but that Celeron isn't able to run WindowsXP with acceptable speed..

 

[pIII_Man]

i wire moded...i am cheep


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[Crashman]

It probably would if you had 512MB of RAM. But XP is an inferior OS for such a system, I suggest the far faster Windows 98SE operating system.

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