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Anonymous
September 4, 2005 9:01:01 AM

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After updating my Nf4 drivers to 6.66. (To eliminate crashing i was getting
in a game) the problem is now present all the time in windows. it will occure
at random intervals, donest blue screen the system just locks up.

I know people with the same hardware.driver configurations that have no
problems. So i fgured it must be the OS,

And idears on where to look/what to do?

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September 4, 2005 11:10:27 AM

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Trippledence wrote:

> After updating my Nf4 drivers to 6.66. (To eliminate crashing i was getting
> in a game) the problem is now present all the time in windows. it will occure
> at random intervals, donest blue screen the system just locks up.
>
> I know people with the same hardware.driver configurations that have no
> problems. So i fgured it must be the OS,
>
> And idears on where to look/what to do?

Likely a hardware problem.

--
Rock
MS MVP Windows - Shell/User
Anonymous
September 4, 2005 11:28:06 AM

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"Trippledence" <Trippledence@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1F0B5AAE-8612-4BDB-9D4D-4B66E8AA53D7@microsoft.com...
> After updating my Nf4 drivers to 6.66. (To eliminate crashing i was
> getting
> in a game) the problem is now present all the time in windows. it will
> occure
> at random intervals, donest blue screen the system just locks up.
>
> I know people with the same hardware.driver configurations that have no
> problems. So i fgured it must be the OS,
>
> And idears on where to look/what to do?

I would do some hardware troubleshooting. Test the ram www.memtest.org If
the ram passes try removing any extra devices including external ones. Leave
just enough to boot up, video card, keyboard, mouse, one hard drive, no
CDROM, floppy, NIC etc..Run Windows long enough to cause the crash. If it
doesn't crash try adding things back one at a time. Try a different power
supply. Make sure there is not an overheating problem.

What happens when it crashes? Does it freeze? Does it reboot? Does the mouse
still work? Is the display OK?

Kerry
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Anonymous
September 4, 2005 11:37:01 AM

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"Kerry Brown" wrote:

>
> I would do some hardware troubleshooting. Test the ram www.memtest.org If
> the ram passes try removing any extra devices including external ones. Leave
> just enough to boot up, video card, keyboard, mouse, one hard drive, no
> CDROM, floppy, NIC etc..Run Windows long enough to cause the crash. If it
> doesn't crash try adding things back one at a time. Try a different power
> supply. Make sure there is not an overheating problem.
>
> What happens when it crashes? Does it freeze? Does it reboot? Does the mouse
> still work? Is the display OK?
>
> Kerry
>

Ive been trough all that standard hardware trouble shooting, including mem
test, unneeded devices, not the NIC's tho. Somone from another forum sugest
that it may be the NV firewall, which has reportedly caused problems for alot
of people.

When i crashes the display freezes, and i cannot move the mouse, the pictuer
is fine, and everything in the computer seems to be functioning. I really
dont think this is a hardware problem, surely if it was it would fail under
strain? It does not.
>
>
Anonymous
September 4, 2005 12:13:51 PM

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There are lots of gaming/video forums that might be able to help you
more directly. It's doubtful your problem is OS (WinXP) related. An
operating system is just a platform to host or run 3rd-party applications
and hardware.
If you are having any issues with drivers and a change results in even
more issues then you can assume that's where the problem is. Trying
to isolate "Interactions" can be very difficult. It could be a combination
of drivers and games or drivers and system level drivers (Chipset). As
a general troubleshooting measure I would uninstall all video drivers &
support software. Then update your Chipset drivers and install the
latest version video package. Finally, I would update all your games
with any/all updates and patches available for it.

"Trippledence" <Trippledence@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1F0B5AAE-8612-4BDB-9D4D-4B66E8AA53D7@microsoft.com...
> After updating my Nf4 drivers to 6.66. (To eliminate crashing i was
> getting
> in a game) the problem is now present all the time in windows. it will
> occure
> at random intervals, donest blue screen the system just locks up.
>
> I know people with the same hardware.driver configurations that have no
> problems. So i fgured it must be the OS,
>
> And idears on where to look/what to do?
Anonymous
September 4, 2005 12:13:52 PM

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Thats all be done i'm afraid, by elimination windows is the oly thing left to
be causing the problem. And the crashing is occuring more in simple windows
tasks than in games. Any sugestions? Everything is as uptodate as it can be,



"R. McCarty" wrote:

> There are lots of gaming/video forums that might be able to help you
> more directly. It's doubtful your problem is OS (WinXP) related. An
> operating system is just a platform to host or run 3rd-party applications
> and hardware.
> If you are having any issues with drivers and a change results in even
> more issues then you can assume that's where the problem is. Trying
> to isolate "Interactions" can be very difficult. It could be a combination
> of drivers and games or drivers and system level drivers (Chipset). As
> a general troubleshooting measure I would uninstall all video drivers &
> support software. Then update your Chipset drivers and install the
> latest version video package. Finally, I would update all your games
> with any/all updates and patches available for it.
>
> "Trippledence" <Trippledence@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:1F0B5AAE-8612-4BDB-9D4D-4B66E8AA53D7@microsoft.com...
> > After updating my Nf4 drivers to 6.66. (To eliminate crashing i was
> > getting
> > in a game) the problem is now present all the time in windows. it will
> > occure
> > at random intervals, donest blue screen the system just locks up.
> >
> > I know people with the same hardware.driver configurations that have no
> > problems. So i fgured it must be the OS,
> >
> > And idears on where to look/what to do?
>
>
>
Anonymous
September 4, 2005 12:36:59 PM

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I wish I could give you a specific set of steps or ideas. Problems
like this are really very frustrating - because you've followed or
done normal troubleshooting procedures and a solution eludes
you. I'm not familiar with nF4 ( nVidia ?). I did a Google for the
string and found a number of forum hits, but none that keyed to
"lockups". The only other thing that comes to mind is heat. I've
seen a number of cases where a video card's fan has stopped
running. The card overheats and experiences some problems.
Have you checked the card and your overall system temps to
make sure the issue isn't thermal.


"Trippledence" <Trippledence@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:ABA1DE92-822F-4AAC-8D5C-18CBF04F6FD8@microsoft.com...
> Thats all be done i'm afraid, by elimination windows is the oly thing left
> to
> be causing the problem. And the crashing is occuring more in simple
> windows
> tasks than in games. Any sugestions? Everything is as uptodate as it can
> be,
>
>
>
> "R. McCarty" wrote:
>
>> There are lots of gaming/video forums that might be able to help you
>> more directly. It's doubtful your problem is OS (WinXP) related. An
>> operating system is just a platform to host or run 3rd-party applications
>> and hardware.
>> If you are having any issues with drivers and a change results in even
>> more issues then you can assume that's where the problem is. Trying
>> to isolate "Interactions" can be very difficult. It could be a
>> combination
>> of drivers and games or drivers and system level drivers (Chipset). As
>> a general troubleshooting measure I would uninstall all video drivers &
>> support software. Then update your Chipset drivers and install the
>> latest version video package. Finally, I would update all your games
>> with any/all updates and patches available for it.
>>
>> "Trippledence" <Trippledence@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:1F0B5AAE-8612-4BDB-9D4D-4B66E8AA53D7@microsoft.com...
>> > After updating my Nf4 drivers to 6.66. (To eliminate crashing i was
>> > getting
>> > in a game) the problem is now present all the time in windows. it will
>> > occure
>> > at random intervals, donest blue screen the system just locks up.
>> >
>> > I know people with the same hardware.driver configurations that have no
>> > problems. So i fgured it must be the OS,
>> >
>> > And idears on where to look/what to do?
>>
>>
>>
Anonymous
September 4, 2005 12:48:22 PM

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Hi,

Random freezing w/o a stop error is usually indicative of a hardware issue,
not a software one. One or more components is likely to be failing or has
failed. If you overclocked the system at one point (I'm guessing, as most
games tend to do this), then you may have permanently damaged a component.
Even if you did not, there is still a strong chance of a hardware problem.
The way to fix it is to either start swapping in known good components or
take it to a pc specialist for diagnosis.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"Trippledence" <Trippledence@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1F0B5AAE-8612-4BDB-9D4D-4B66E8AA53D7@microsoft.com...
> After updating my Nf4 drivers to 6.66. (To eliminate crashing i was
> getting
> in a game) the problem is now present all the time in windows. it will
> occure
> at random intervals, donest blue screen the system just locks up.
>
> I know people with the same hardware.driver configurations that have no
> problems. So i fgured it must be the OS,
>
> And idears on where to look/what to do?
Anonymous
September 4, 2005 1:10:03 PM

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Hello,

I had the same situation described here and this is what fixed it for me:

1. Move your sound card to the farthest slot, away from the graphics card.

2. Enter the BIOS and make sure that your onboard sound is set to
"disabled", not "auto".

I believe the above helped the most. In addition, I did the following:

3. Blow out any dust with compressed air, clean all fans and heat sinks.

4. Remove all cards and memory chips, clean the contacts with a pencil
eraser, clean contacts with alcohol to remove eraser dust.

5. Blow out all slots, and replace cards and memory.

I can not guarantee this will help you, but I hope it does.

EAG1945

"Trippledence" <Trippledence@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BB435884-9AF1-471A-A655-11F58C9068E3@microsoft.com...
>
>
> "Kerry Brown" wrote:
>
>>
>> I would do some hardware troubleshooting. Test the ram www.memtest.org If
>> the ram passes try removing any extra devices including external ones.
>> Leave
>> just enough to boot up, video card, keyboard, mouse, one hard drive, no
>> CDROM, floppy, NIC etc..Run Windows long enough to cause the crash. If it
>> doesn't crash try adding things back one at a time. Try a different power
>> supply. Make sure there is not an overheating problem.
>>
>> What happens when it crashes? Does it freeze? Does it reboot? Does the
>> mouse
>> still work? Is the display OK?
>>
>> Kerry
>>
>
> Ive been trough all that standard hardware trouble shooting, including mem
> test, unneeded devices, not the NIC's tho. Somone from another forum
> sugest
> that it may be the NV firewall, which has reportedly caused problems for
> alot
> of people.
>
> When i crashes the display freezes, and i cannot move the mouse, the
> pictuer
> is fine, and everything in the computer seems to be functioning. I really
> dont think this is a hardware problem, surely if it was it would fail
> under
> strain? It does not.
>>
>>
Anonymous
September 4, 2005 5:01:24 PM

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In article <1F0B5AAE-8612-4BDB-9D4D-4B66E8AA53D7@microsoft.com>,
Trippledence@discussions.microsoft.com says...
> After updating my Nf4 drivers to 6.66. (To eliminate crashing i was getting
> in a game) the problem is now present all the time in windows. it will occure
> at random intervals, donest blue screen the system just locks up.

In one post you said it's windows, but in this one you say it's worst
not that you've updated drivers..... Hate to tell you this, but it's
drivers and not windows, or it look like it.

It could also be heat related, since I'm assuming that NF is a video
card. Blow the dust out of your case, make sure that all the vents are
clean, reload the old drivers if you have too - try it again and let us
know.


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Anonymous
September 4, 2005 5:01:25 PM

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I've gone trough the sterps of realoading drivers, and all the offencing
ones have been replaced. In regards to the coments regarding heat, the
crashings occure compelatly ramdonmly, and while running CS:S or Prime 95,
even 3d mark donsnt seem to envoke the crashing. Today for example, crashing
occured when changing tab's in firefox. So i;ve ruled out Heat.

I belive any problem with windows may have come about during these steps.
Downloaded Nforce Drivers from the nVidia website, installed. Did not
function properly. Reinstalled, same problem, Updated Bios and reinstalled,
Same problem, however i removed the offeding firewall aplication ( Possable
my problems are casued by a firewall?) and it worked with the crashing
problem for a day or so.

I Downloaded a set of drivers from the asus website (same ones as from
Nvidia) and these when istalled seemed to work, including the Firewall.
However when getting these i noticed that they adviced that the 6.66 drivers
should not be used with BIOS's lower than 1013, which i didnt not have at the
time of installing.

My theory that its not drivers comes from my cousin, who has the same
hardware/software. Including bios and drivers as me, and does not have any of
these issues. Howerver his latest drivers where on a fresh windows install.

If i cant get this fixed my tomurow i think i'm going to try formatting. And
checks and so on you can suggest i will carry out. Thanks. Will report back
any progress.


"Leythos" wrote:

> In article <1F0B5AAE-8612-4BDB-9D4D-4B66E8AA53D7@microsoft.com>,
> Trippledence@discussions.microsoft.com says...
> > After updating my Nf4 drivers to 6.66. (To eliminate crashing i was getting
> > in a game) the problem is now present all the time in windows. it will occure
> > at random intervals, donest blue screen the system just locks up.
>
> In one post you said it's windows, but in this one you say it's worst
> not that you've updated drivers..... Hate to tell you this, but it's
> drivers and not windows, or it look like it.
>
> It could also be heat related, since I'm assuming that NF is a video
> card. Blow the dust out of your case, make sure that all the vents are
> clean, reload the old drivers if you have too - try it again and let us
> know.
>
>
> --
>
> spam999free@rrohio.com
> remove 999 in order to email me
>
Anonymous
September 4, 2005 5:53:28 PM

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"Trippledence" <Trippledence@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Kerry Brown" wrote:
>
>>
>> I would do some hardware troubleshooting. Test the ram www.memtest.org If
>> the ram passes try removing any extra devices including external ones.
>> Leave
>> just enough to boot up, video card, keyboard, mouse, one hard drive, no
>> CDROM, floppy, NIC etc..Run Windows long enough to cause the crash. If it
>> doesn't crash try adding things back one at a time. Try a different power
>> supply. Make sure there is not an overheating problem.
>>
>> What happens when it crashes? Does it freeze? Does it reboot? Does the
>> mouse
>> still work? Is the display OK?
>>
>> Kerry
>>
>
> Ive been trough all that standard hardware trouble shooting, including mem
> test, unneeded devices, not the NIC's tho. Somone from another forum
> sugest
> that it may be the NV firewall, which has reportedly caused problems for
> alot
> of people.
>
> When i crashes the display freezes, and i cannot move the mouse, the
> pictuer
> is fine, and everything in the computer seems to be functioning. I really
> dont think this is a hardware problem, surely if it was it would fail
> under
> strain? It does not.
>>

When it crashes press the power button once and wait. See if Windows shuts
down. Let us know what happens. Do you get any errors in the event logs?

Kerry
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