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December 2, 2003 6:54:59 PM

I want to upgrade from my current system:
AMD 2400+
512mb ram in 2x256
geforce4 mx 440
asrock K7VT2 mb

And i wanted to go intel could someone suggest a processor graphics card and motherboard within my buget ( 400 pound). i will keep my memory untill i can afford some better stuff. Thanks

ho

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December 2, 2003 9:23:36 PM

What kind of apps do you plan to run? If it is going to just be games then you should hold off on the processor as that is fine and is considered more than fast enough for most. The thing you want to upgrade here is the video card. It would help to know what your budget is but for about $150(US) you can get yourself a nice Ati Radeon 9600 Pro, you should see a huge performance increase with that.

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December 2, 2003 9:50:41 PM

I concur. The Geforce MX cards were never meant for gaming at all. Just go grab yourself a better graphice card like the 9600 pro or the 9800 pro if you got the money. You will notice a HUGE difference in performance in you gaming....

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December 3, 2003 2:53:44 AM

What's your budget?
December 3, 2003 7:30:00 AM

I am wondering if the reason we got no hard news today, is because everyone is too busy testing out scotties for friday. Hope so.
December 3, 2003 8:17:43 AM

What is your budget?

A good recommendation from me with a decent price tag would be a P4 2.8C (with 800 mhz FSB), a Radeon 9600 Pro graphics card, and 1 gb memory from TwinMOS. Stable and cheap memory.

My system: Intel Pentium 4 3.0, 800FSB / TwinMOS 1Gb DDR400 / ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe / ASUS Radeon 9800XT / Antec TruePower 550W / Maxtor DiamondMax Plus9 120 Gb / Pioneer DVR-A06
December 3, 2003 11:17:51 AM

That pc is fast enough that it doesn't really need upgraded, you should look at SERIOUSLY upgrading the graphics though... it's pretty raw. I'd suggest a Radeon 9600 Pro. If after you get the 9600 pro your games aren't running well THEN upgrade the mobo and processor, but honestly, you don't need a faster cpu presently.

Shadus
December 3, 2003 11:26:59 AM

Yes replace the graphics card get rid-of that MX card!! Did it even have a cooling fan on the heat sink when you purchased it ?
You will not see graphics perform without lag until you get into the AGP 8X Graphics cards with 128MB to 256 MB of memory.
Of course your motherboard will have to support 8X AGP bus and the RAM will need to be at least DDR PC2700 but the recommended RAM speeds now are minimum PC3200 and most of the new Motherboards will run that speed.
The latest MoB will run higher speed memory. If you go Intel you will get a very nice set-up that's for sure.
Make sure the Motherboard supports DUAL Channel memory my current one does not and I am going to have to upgrade the main board ;(
NOT AGAIN............

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December 3, 2003 1:09:15 PM

Yeah, it's not like there wasn't news either...

Damn Rambus.
December 3, 2003 1:27:00 PM

You REALLY need to get your facts straight!!!

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Of course your motherboard will have to support 8X AGP bus

WRONG!!! The difference between the performance of an 8x and 4x bus with modern cards (yes, even 5950U and 9800XT) is virtually none existent (like 5% AT MOST). I could put ANY current card in my 4x mobo and utilize it to its full potential. Of course, that may change in a few months with next-gen cards that might stress even the 8x slot (if ATi's 'twice the power' statement is true).

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You will not see graphics perform without lag until you get into the AGP 8X Graphics cards with 128MB to 256 MB of memory.

9500Pro with 64MB runs games perfectly fine...of course that is 8x (I think). An older Ti4200 64MB 4x will still kickass on DX7/8 games, and will be a significant improvement over his MX. Also, 256MB is hardly needed...only the 9800 and 5900 series can utilize it at all, and only at hires and lots of AA and AF, even then the difference isn't great or important because the games that would be able to utilize the extra 128MB can't exactly run at 1600x1200,4xAA,8xAF; some games do utilize the 256MB, however, but only at ultra-hi settings. Heck, my Ti4400 4x 128MB card runs all my games without lag at high detail or (in newer games, especially DX9 games) if I turn down some eye-candy.

Secondly, you essentially just recommended an FX5200U (yes, some have 256MB of memory), which is by no means a good card.

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If you go Intel you will get a very nice set-up that's for sure.

<b><font color=red>WOAH!!!</b></font color=red> Did SoD just say that?! I might actually agree with you for once...but then again, his 2400+ is no slouch (but it's no P4C, either).

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Make sure the Motherboard supports DUAL Channel memory my current one does not and I am going to have to upgrade the main board ;(

Didn't we tell you that before?? You'll also need 2 more sticks of RAM, SoD, your 1GB stick of PC3200 just isn't going to make the dual channel cut. Now I see why you refuse to build P4 systems: you can't.

Damn Rambus.
December 3, 2003 3:33:52 PM

Standard warning on SoDNightHawk posts, beware of anything he says. He doesn't know what he is talking about. If you still blindly listen to him and get burned YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. At the minimum seek a few collaborating opinions on anything he says.

Shadus
December 3, 2003 5:26:45 PM

my buget is 400 (pound) for the lot

ho
December 3, 2003 5:38:49 PM

go to www.Komplett.co.uk - they have some of the best prices I've seen in the UK (on the net)...

But for 400 you *could* just upgrdae the gfx to a Radeon 9800 256mb XT or 128mb 9800 Pro...Though maybe a faster processor would be needed for the 256mb XT or 256mb Pro.
December 3, 2003 5:40:55 PM

690$usd approx. I stand by my suggestion that your current machine is more than adaquete EXCEPT for your video card, imo the best thing you could do for that kinda money is pick up a good video card (9800XT/9800 Pro). If that doesn't provide enough performance sell your current ram and use the remainder of the money from the video card to get some Corsair TWINX1024-2700LL for 125gbp, but all in all your video is killing your whole system performance wise in games.

Edit: If you feel you gotta upgrade and go intel then for about 390GBP (converted from usd at us stores) you can get a 2.8C, ABIT IS7-E Mobo, Corsair TWINX1024-3200C2 Ram (1g), and a Radeon 9600 Pro 128mb.

Edit2: But again you'd really be better off with your current setup and a 9800Pro or 9800XT... 9600 is a middle range card, 9800 pro is top end card. *shrug*

Shadus<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by shadus on 12/03/03 02:55 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
December 3, 2003 5:58:18 PM

The 256mb cards are no faster than the 128mb cards 99.9% of the time and depending on the ram used, sometimes slower. The 256mb is more of a futureproofing of investment than anything at this point in time.

Shadus
December 4, 2003 5:10:00 PM

where did you get the prices for intel set-up, i cant find it that cheap?

ho
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