<A HREF="http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20031203151532.html" target="_new">Click here to read</A> 3.4GHz P4EE price also announced (incdentally, it's lower than the 3.2's current price at newegg).
Something I just realize that is kind of disconcerting...look at the Northwood and Prescott prices @ 3.4GHz...they're the same. If Scotty were better, wouldn't the price be higher?? I know X-bit mentioned something about it, but I don't understand what they mean (if anything at all). I'd imagine that more cache, SSE3, and improved HT (and simply the fact that it is newer) would be worthy of a price increase, but I guess not. I can't wait for the reviews to come though...
One thing to keep in mind, is that MSRPs on new chips tend to be lower than the street price. The Opteron 248 is MSRPd to be about 920, and the lowest street price I could find is about 980. The price disparity was even worse at first, so that might have something to do with it. Dunno for sure though...
benchmarks i saw earlier this year show scotty getting beat by a northwood at the same speed (both at 2.8)
I hope those were very preliminary using benchies that don't use HT, cache, or SSE3 (not that any proggy does now anyway) with a non-compatible motherboard. If Prescott is a bust I'll be majorly disapointed (as will all non anti-Intel people), if for no other reason than for competition's sake.
WTF:
"According to some sources, Intel’s Prescott design does have 64-bit extensions in addition to improvements in Hyper-Threading implementation and SSE3 realization. These extensions are not compatible with AMD64 technology and will not be enabled in first Prescott chips. Moreover, some say Intel is not likely to turn on additional functionality of the Prescott processor until 2005, probably when AMD’s 64-bit processors become more or less wide-spread on the market and may affect Intel’s sales."
That sounds like marketing BS to me: "Oh, BTW, we have 64bit extensions too just like AMD! You just can't use them right now, cuz uh, we don't want you to! yeah, that's it!"
Still, the fact that the MSRPs are the same is a bit scary (talking about Scotty vs. Northwood). In the 3.2EE, I know it will go down, especially by March when we can finally get a 3.4EE (assuming a 30 day waiting period). I wouldn't doubt 3.2's price dropping below 1000 by the end of next week.
It was probably done to save design/production costs for the future (just like 90nm fab process). Oh well, it's only rumor/speculation/hype anyway. And you know what they say: "Don't believe the hype!"
" If Prescott is a bust I'll be majorly disapointed (as will all non anti-Intel people), if for no other reason than for competition's sake."
Well, I don't particularly like Intel, but I'll be disapointed too. We all win with these guys doing the one upmanship game. If it stops, they'll stop pushing the envelope. The nice thing is though, even if this chip is a bust, it won't take Intel too long to come out with something that isn't.
"Still, the fact that the MSRPs are the same is a bit scary (talking about Scotty vs. Northwood)."
Yeah, didn't see that. I had replied to your post without first reading the article as it sounded like it was one of those MSRP versus street price things.
Maybe intel wants people who were waiting for the prescott to upgrade their current systems to socket 478. Then later when they release the LGA scottys people will have to buy a new mobo (and thus intel chipset) and also a new proc, just an idea but intel has done similar in the past.
The low price is an incentive for people to say "gee the scottys out leme upgrade my system!"
Just a thought...i know it has a few flaws but on paper the scotty looks like it should really outperform the northwood so thats my only explination for the $$ diffrence.
If it isn't a P6 then it isn't a procesor
110% BX fanboy
Northwood 400 FSB had the same price as NW 533 FSB after a month or 2.NW 800 FSB version cost the same now as B version.I1 I2 I2Madsion all have the same price at release 4100$.P4 1.6 GHZ northwood was about the same price that 1.6 willimete.I guess you get the point.
For the Socket T vs Socket 478, it normal to have a new socket after a while as Socket 478 was intoduce in 2002.Socket T will have 2 or 3 year life spam and be change when nephalem will be release if not before to have a twin socket for tejas.
Prescott will be about faster 10% to 20% faster that Nw in ANY software.
D00D! They were supposed to be released TODAY. Of course Intel haters will tell you they were supposed to be released last spring and were delayed 15 times or somthing, but the only date I could get was Dec. 4.
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The first thing that came to my mind when I saw this, was that the performance of Prescott vs Northwood should be about the same and that's why Intel prices are identical for the two chips. Now that I think about it, maybe it's not that simple. Intel probably WANTS to sell more Prescotts than Northwoods because they will be cheaper to produce, so by selling a $400 Prescott they get more money than selling a $400 Northwood. So, even if Prescott performs a bit faster than Northwood this still doesn't change the fact than Intel prefers selling more Prescotts than Northwoods, and if this means selling a better product at a lower price, that's what they will do.
Anyway, the point is that we will have to wait and see how Prescott really performs and THEN judge it. I have no problem admitting that I am an AMD fan myself and right now the way I see it, my next upgrade will be sometime next year when San Diego is released. On the other hand, Intel is a huge company. Whoever underestimates it is either ignorant or plain stupid. I am rather optimistic though that AMD will be able to respond to whatever Intel introduces, but I doubt Prescott will be a huge flop as many are implying.
Maybe intel wants people who were waiting for the prescott to upgrade their current systems to socket 478. Then later when they release the LGA scottys people will have to buy a new mobo (and thus intel chipset) and also a new proc, just an idea but intel has done similar in the past.
That makes a lot sense...ahhhh, why are they all out to make money?! I'd actually do the same thing if I were them, not only would I make money, but more people would have better systems (or at least those who could afford it)...it's a 'win-win' situation.
On paper, Scotty is really kickass, but I don't know about Juin's theory of 10-20% extra...the EE doesn't even do that and it will cost twice as much. I hope it's a great performer...just to have AMD raise the bar with the 3600+ A64 (and subsequently the FX-55 for the EE). Gotta love competition.
Or he is wrong. Intel's CFO just said Prescott is on track to be released in this quarter. I think Andy Bryant is more trustworth than Poopy or xbitlab.
http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/031204/1907001512_2.html
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