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December 11, 2003 6:13:30 AM

I'm building a PC fo all my gaming needs now and those to come. What CPU(s) do you guys recomend.

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December 11, 2003 7:26:35 AM

Are you planning to overclock? What's your budget?
December 11, 2003 3:20:56 PM

Depends upon the games you want to play:intell is greate at gl games and bad at directx;amd the reverse.The p4ee and amd64 fx51 are about the same now;but the fx51 will pull ahead with 64 bit games or even just windows 64(maybe);at the next level down the clawhammer/amd64 3200+ is the clear best gaming cpu;but below that intell p4s with fsb800 are the best,pricewise the amd athlonxp 2500+barton is the best(it should sell for $250 based upon performance and overclockabilty).
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December 11, 2003 3:40:16 PM

What makes you say that Intel is better at OpenGL?

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December 11, 2003 3:57:35 PM

Holyshit, it's sodnighthawk's alter ego.

Edit: Please explain those uh... 'interesting' views since it contradicts what 99% of people here have experienced and almost every benchmark on the net.

Shadus<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by shadus on 12/11/03 01:03 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
December 11, 2003 4:10:29 PM

My budget is about 1000 for the CPU. I'd rather pay less but I want power over a good price. I'm willing to save up and pay over 1000 if it means top performance. As for overclocking, well...I have never done that so I am a little nervous in that area. What would be the benefits of Overclocking?
December 11, 2003 4:11:39 PM

When you say CPU are you refering to the entire computer or just the single component in the system?

Shadus
December 11, 2003 4:13:51 PM

The games I play most are First Person Shooters. Doom 3 clearly being something I want to run well on this thing. And UT 2004 and 2005. My goal is to build the best Gaming Machine I can. Even if it takes me 6 months of saving my money to buy the parts. SO for FPSs which CPU is best?
December 11, 2003 4:15:56 PM

Just the processor. Though if anyone has recomindation as to the rest ofthe system I'm all ears. I know that an sata will be my HD of choice and that I will be using Air cooling.
December 11, 2003 4:26:40 PM

I have no Idea, that is why I'm asking.
December 11, 2003 4:31:16 PM

For that kinda money look at the AMD FX-51 and the P4 EE 3.4, the FX is slightly faster in some games the EE slightly faster in others. You'll pay out the nose for either :) .

Those are hands down the top performing chips. I don't know anything about FX motherboards other than you want to go with the via chipset not the nvidia chipset (Haven't had the opportunity to build one yet.) and that you need to get registered memory for the FX which is a bit more expensive than standard memory. Abit, Asus, MSI, and Gigabyte all make nice i875 boards for the intel chip. If you are going for a system with that high of performance make sure you get two WD Sata Raptor 10kRPM 8mb Cache 74gb driver and stripe them togeather. Also, WAIT until the beginning of 04, there is alot of new tech coming out then... pci express, ddr2 memory, new chipsets, new graphics card lines, etc.

Shadus
December 11, 2003 4:32:12 PM

If he wants the fastest pc period, it isn't a waste. It's a waste to you because you don't care to spend that kind of money on a system. To him its worth the money.

Edit: One size doesn't fit all, ya'know?

Shadus<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by shadus on 12/11/03 01:32 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
December 11, 2003 4:45:07 PM

Well, most people don't have bottomless bank accounts so usually aim to build a computer within a specific budget. At the moment with a 2.4GHz/2400+ CPU, 512MB of RAM, an ATI 9600/FX5600 and Audigy2 in your system you are going to be able to play anything. You might see improvements in image quality if you go to higher specs, but that will also depend on your monitor and what resolution you play at. Of course it's nice to allow some headroom for future games but the cost of buying top-end hardware is so high it's probably better to keep the money you save in a savings account for 2 years and buy a new computer or upgrade when you need it.

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December 11, 2003 5:24:09 PM

If you are absolutely sure that you need the BEST .. here is my reccomendation to you:

Athlon FX-51 Retail CPU $776
Asus nForce 3 Motherboard for Socket 940 Opteron 200 Processors, Model "SK8N" RETAIL $210
Corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Platinum Series, Low Latency (Twin Pack) 184 Pin 1GB(512MBx2) ECC Registered DDR PC-3200 - Retail ($295)

Some here will say that the P4 EE 3.2GHz performs about the same as the FX-51. The reasons I am suggesting the FX though are:
1. It is much cheaper, even taking into account the fact that it needs registered memory. The P4 EE costs over $1000 and that's just the CPU.
2. This CPU paired with that particular memory should perform quite better than what is shown in the various benchmarks. In all benchmarks published on the Web everyone used CL2.5 memory for the FX, but this memory has CAS2. It is very clear from the reviews of the S754 A64 that the onboard memory controller benefits quite a lot from lower latency timings.

So to sum things up ... FX-51 is what you should get, if you can afford it !!!
December 11, 2003 7:01:01 PM

Thank you all for this input. One question about the Mobo. I read a review on this very site that the nvidia chipset is inferior when it comes to the 64 fx. That it limits the Hyper Transport or something of the sort. Do you know anything about this?
December 11, 2003 7:16:26 PM

Wow, that Mach 3.8 sure is something...amazing

Thanks for the info but I want to build my computer, more fun that way.
December 11, 2003 9:01:20 PM

dude the 2500+ sells for 85 bucks on pricewatch.com


Asus A7N8X Ultra Delux w/ AMD XP2800+Barton
Corsair XMS Twinx DDR400 1gig
Geforce 4 TI4600 128ddr
Audigy 2 Platinum
Samsung Silent 7200rpm 80gig
WD Secondary Crap 5200rpm 40gig
December 11, 2003 10:09:50 PM

yeah if you're spending for only the best it has to be either the p4ee or amd64 fx51,hard to tell which of those is actually better.

"Asus nForce 3 Motherboard for Socket 940 Opteron 200 Processors, Model "SK8N" RETAIL $210"-pitsi

the asus sk8n does not support ddr400;so boards which do like the gigabyte ga-k8nnxp are better most likely.

"dude the 2500 sells for $85"-unknown

More like $90;but still the best budget gaming cpu,which can be overlocked almost to barton 3200 performance.

The review of the 64's and p4ee showed them ahead in directx and behind in gl,follow the links to other reviews at newegg and you'll see basically the same thing.
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December 11, 2003 10:24:08 PM

I wonder why sodomitehawk hasn't replied?

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December 12, 2003 4:11:53 AM

A complete P4EE system will cost less than a A64FX system.
December 12, 2003 5:04:40 AM

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Thank you all for this input. One question about the Mobo. I read a review on this very site that the nvidia chipset is inferior when it comes to the 64 fx. That it limits the Hyper Transport or something of the sort. Do you know anything about this?

Although I have read somewhere about it, I am not the best person to answer this for you. You have to carefully read THG's review for more info. My first choice would be a K8T800 board as well but after doing a small search at Newegg, I found out that they only sell nForce 3 mobos for Socket 940, i don't know why. The only K8T800 available is the dual-CPU version of the one reviewd at THG's a few weeks ago.
December 12, 2003 5:13:42 AM

You are either REALLY bad at maths or you simply refuse to see the truth:

Athlon FX-51 System (total: $1300)
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CPU: $776
Mobo: $229 (Gigabyte GA-K8NNXP-940)
Memory: $295 (Corsair XMS 1GB PC3200 Low Latency Registered DDR)

P4EE System (total: $1467)
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CPU: $1035
Mobo: $181 (Asus P4C800-E Deluxe)
Memory: $251 (Corsair XMS 1GB PC3200 Low Latency DDR)

(All prices are from Newegg as of 12/12/03)
December 12, 2003 5:15:43 AM

Btw snaggle was right.

Gigabyte nForce3 150 Motherboard for Socket 940 AMD Athlon64 FX CPU, Model "GA-K8NNXP-940" RETAIL $229

would be a better choice than the Asus SK8N I reccomended earlier.
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December 12, 2003 10:07:46 AM

>My budget is about 1000 for the CPU. I'd rather pay less
>but I want power over a good price. I'm willing to save
>up and pay over 1000 if it means top performance.

You're willing to save up hu.. ? Seriously man, unless you got money to burn ( which clearly you don't, as you'd need to save), there is pretty much nothing that warrants the purchase of a $1000 cpu. A $600 videocard, perhaps, if you have a 24" monitor running 2048x1600 @120 Hz.

Also, depending how long it would take you to get the money; by the time you have it, you will be able to buy $400 cpu's that may well outperform todays $1000 cpu's (eg A64 3400+ vs P4EE). Think about, don't throw away your money unless you have too much. Currently, a Athlon 64 3200+ looks like a superb gaming rig to me, and at ~$400 its at least somewhat reasonably priced. Either way, if you are concerned about ultimate gaming performance, you should worry about the GPU first, and only then about the CPU. With a fixed $2000 budget, a Barton 2600+ or P4 2.6C will run circles in every benchmark around a FX51 or P4EE (because of the faster videocard, memory, harddisk, ...).

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December 14, 2003 1:04:32 PM

So GPU before CPU? It's true I don't have money just laying around, I just don't want to build a system that will only have a play-life of 6 to 12 months... after which it will be too slow to run any new games well. I'm in to FPS so I need atleast 30 Frames/sec. My current computer lasted me 2 years which I guess is good. But I can't play new games on it even UT 2003 is no good. So I need a system that either will last a long time or is cheap and easy to upgrade as needed later on.
December 14, 2003 5:36:36 PM

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It's true I don't have money just laying around

If you don't have any money laying around why do you come here asking for the best? And to even think that I suggested a $750 CPU !!!
December 14, 2003 6:32:46 PM

Because I am willing to save up over a two-month period or so if it is worth it. It's just that if I can find a way to get power cheap I would be very happy. But I don't feel like wasting money if does not give me a performance boost.
December 14, 2003 7:49:24 PM

if you want to have future power, buy an excellent mobo that has a long life ahead of it, for instance if you look into an athlon 64 3200 you can later upgrade the chip for better performance, you wont really have this option with a P4 as the EE scales to 3.6ghz i believe and prescott probably wont launch on canterwood

and i second the view gpu before before cpu, i run an AXP 2500 oc'ed to 2ghz with a 200mhz FSB, this cpu is more than enough for any game, what really matters is the videocard

theres basically two ways to buy hardware, by the best when it comes out and make it last as long as possible, or buy midrange parts and upgrade a little more frequently

thats my two cents worth

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