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January 14, 2010 2:32:00 PM

My 4 year old kid uses my pc cabinet as a punching bag whenever he gets angry and this has caused my pc to hang many times if it's running when he hits it. For this reason, i had to bring out my old p3 pc to show him his cartoons and stuff. While he is awake i am having to shutoff my new pc (i7 config) and exchange my monitor's vga cable between my p3 and i7 as required.

But my question is, can my new pc be still damaged if its been hit when its turned off ? If so, which component is most vulnerable ? The mobo, the ram, the cpu, the video card of the hard disk ? I have very little space in my house for moving my pc to another place. Also is there a way i can protect my pc from his blows by wrapping it wherever feasible with small pillows ? Please help.

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January 14, 2010 4:51:04 PM

I would say it would be still be able to be damaged even if it is turned off, i'd say anything that could be shaken loose or components that are delicate would be damaged. and wrapping it with small pillows may cause it to overheat. I would just move your pc out of reach of your child. that would be your best bet.
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January 14, 2010 4:58:50 PM

A cage may be of more use to you, electrify the bars of it and let's see how angry the kid get now.
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January 14, 2010 4:59:24 PM

I would say teach you kid not to punch things when he get angry would be the best solution..
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January 14, 2010 5:03:53 PM

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I would say teach you kid not to punch things when he get angry would be the best solution..



second that, you may be able to put that pc up away from his reach, but the kid needs to learn that other people's items and other people are not their punch bag and it is inappropriate to express his anger in such a way.


before he gets to punching people because he is unhappy with what they did or not do or because he is pissed.
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January 14, 2010 5:04:11 PM

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I would say teach you kid not to punch things when he get angry would be the best solution..
+1! What a novel concept! [slaps forehead]

You can also try moving the pc to a spot where the kid can't reach it.
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January 14, 2010 5:27:27 PM

The hard drive is the most vulnerable to an impact while the PC is in use... just get an SSD and that should solve one of your two problems. The kid? You're on your own on that one.
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January 14, 2010 5:45:05 PM

I agree with strangestranger. Sounds like a monkey needs an education, inspired by seat-warmings as often as needed until the lesson sinks in. In the meantime, to avoid damage, relocating the PC or insulating it (but don't choke off its cooling air!) may help.
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January 14, 2010 11:05:00 PM

Well, HDD is vulnerable, but when its shut-off its shock absorbance is higher, however i'd do everything to keep the pc out of his reach, insulated by pillows when not in use...or wear protection next time <LOL Just kidding kidding.
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January 15, 2010 12:01:05 AM

For the PC the HDD is very vulnerable running or not. Where your vga card meets with your motherboard is an area of concern especially if you have a tooless case. And your dvd burner tray could come out of it's track making it harder or impossible to open.


For the kid, well my mom used to make me stand in the corner holding cans of soup over my head. It worked pretty well.


For you I would say man-up!!!! You need to realize this kid is DEPENDING on you to raise him right so he can have a happy and full life. If he doesn't it is all your fault! He can only work with the tools you give him, if you feel like you can't give him the right ones then by all means give him to a crack head he'll be just as well off!! By the tone of your post you sound like you have consigned it the fact that you have to take it from him. You need to let him know it's the other way around. And before you go thinking hes just a kid so you should cut him some slack just remember that the longer this kind of behavior goes on the higher the likelihood it will turn into some permanent damage to him quality of life.
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January 15, 2010 3:58:07 AM

Thanks pals for the replies. Well i give the punches back to him when he pushes me to the limit. But that ain't stopping him. So nowadays i always sit beside him when i give him access to my pc. The slightest of violence he shows, i just turn off my pc, the room's light and shut the door dragging him away. My wife says to hang the pc from the ceiling somehow. But that won't help as the cables will be coming down from it to the keyboard/mouse/monitor and he could pull those too. I had read somewhere in the net that someone's kid had poured wall paint on his brand hew pc..and he still recovered everything to work allright. Well wish me luck too !!:|
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January 15, 2010 5:19:43 AM

did you just say that you punch your kid?

i sincerely hope that was a bad joke, or your parenting is even worse than first implied.

how about spending some time with your child, instead of on your pc? maybe teach him that he's misbehaving, but that he doesn't need to do so to get his fathers attention?

but sure as hell, this isn't the main problem here. your child's needs should come before your PCs.
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January 15, 2010 6:33:44 AM

How old is the kid, by the way?
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January 15, 2010 7:06:02 AM

It's time for parenting classes.
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January 15, 2010 7:29:07 AM

Oh dear God, this has got to be the craziest non troll/stupid thread I've come across in years.

1. Really? You beat your kid (as opposed to a spanking for defiance to discipline)? Have you tried REAL disciplinary technique... like phsycology such as a reward system for doing good, and taking away the rewards for misbehavior? Have you tried to calm your child down by literally saying something like "look into my eyes and listen for a minute" type thing when your kid is having a tantrum.

2. Why in the world does your toddler have access to your computer in the first place?
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January 15, 2010 8:43:41 AM

I think even my cage suggestion was better than just beating the crap out of him.
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January 15, 2010 10:46:01 AM

Gods I am glad I have no pets or kids *knocks on wood*

Perhaps this guide will help a little...
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January 15, 2010 2:27:15 PM

Hey i never punched my kid ever..it was a wrong word to put in my last post ! he is just 4 yrs old. But yeah i did slap or spank him on his butt to stop his mischieves. As a matter of fact, i gave him love and care perhaps a little too much that he's now spoilt a bit and doesn't fear or respect his parents at all. If u were in my computer room, i assure u, u would feel that my pc needs to be protected from the violent abuse of my kid.
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January 15, 2010 6:15:49 PM

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Hey i never punched my kid ever..it was a wrong word to put in my last post ! he is just 4 yrs old. But yeah i did slap or spank him on his butt to stop his mischieves. As a matter of fact, i gave him love and care perhaps a little too much that he's now spoilt a bit and doesn't fear or respect his parents at all. If u were in my computer room, i assure u, u would feel that my pc needs to be protected from the violent abuse of my kid.
My advice to you is to put the fear of God into him as soon as possible. Not only will it curb his behavior but it will also help him grow up to be a respectful teenager and onto becoming a contributing member of society rather than some spoiled man-child with with a chip on his shoulder and a sense of entitlement.
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January 15, 2010 6:20:22 PM

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My advice to you is to put the fear of God into him as soon as possible. Not only will it curb his behavior but it will also help him grow up to be a respectful teenager and onto becoming a contributing member of society rather than some spoiled man-child with with a chip on his shoulder and a sense of entitlement.



I hope you are not serious...

The best thing to do is lead by example and to instill in him a sense of right and wrong, and enforce the said right and wrongs each time on him, and on your self.

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January 15, 2010 6:22:14 PM

Damn straight +1 chunkymonster.
I am glad my old man raised me strict.
Most of the people I know that where raised without their parents spanking or such will never account for anything in their life.
Whiny little bas. that think everything should be handed to them on a silver platter.

Raising by example is great an all (and also absolutely vital for their proper development) but a good spanking when really called for is IMO good for the kid.
It teaches them the only way they really understand that what they have done (or not done) is quite wrong.

Do not get me wrong, I am NOT advocating beating or abusing the child.
Merely applying additional punishment when it is necessary.
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January 15, 2010 7:07:44 PM

I took Chunkymonster's remark figuratively, of course, and as such I certainly agree. Naturally I would never condone infecting a young mind with religion, but I don't think that's what was meant. This country's period of greatest accomplishment, the Industrial Revolution, took place in an era of consequences, good and bad. Right and wrong were pretty clear, and a kid who strayed was taken out back and stropped. Now, we have no consequences, and murder and mayhem rates are through the roof.
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January 15, 2010 7:47:50 PM

i know how wonderfully off topic this has become but...

are you implying that to teach your child the difference from right on wrong, you should hurt them when they misbehave? you don't think that teaching them that violence as the first step to solving a problem is a bad idea?

my parents never hit me as a child, and i too am a perfectly normal, kind, and respectful person. 'it never done me no harm' is not a valid justification to hitting a child.

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January 15, 2010 8:25:29 PM

Wow, this is quite the thread.....

Bottom line is, there's never going to be agreement on the spank or don't spank argument. I think there are parents who don't know how to do it correctly. They erupt more out of frustration and rage and it can be borderline abuse. If done correctly, it can be very effective in developing discipline in a young personality. Personally, I think it's effective and necessary.

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January 16, 2010 6:54:43 AM

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You don't think teaching them that violence is the first step to solving a problem is a bad idea?

Defiantly, violence is not the best answer nor is it the first step.
More like a last resort when all other proper parenting methods have failed.

I believe that if you need to spank your kid once a day, hell once a week even, you are failing as a parent anyways.
You need to be a good parent first otherwise a swat or two will have little effect in the long run.
More, a spanking properly applied helps teach the child that there are definite consequences to their more serious actions.

If they know that there are more serious actions to be taken for continuing what ever they are doing past a simple time out, loosing their toys for an hour, being banned from the TV, etc. they are more likely to think through their actions and make the proper decision.
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January 16, 2010 1:30:26 PM

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My advice to you is to put the fear of God into him as soon as possible. Not only will it curb his behavior but it will also help him grow up to be a respectful teenager and onto becoming a contributing member of society rather than some spoiled man-child with with a chip on his shoulder and a sense of entitlement.
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I hope you are not serious...The best thing to do is lead by example and to instill in him a sense of right and wrong, and enforce the said right and wrongs each time on him, and on your self.
I'm very serious...I think you take my statement too literally. Instilling the "fear of God" in a child makes them realize that the world is a bigger place than their developing minds can comprehend and teaches them that there are things they do not understand. By realizing there are things they do not understand/comprehend, it fosters a learning mind that asks questions and gives thought to action.

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I took Chunkymonster's remark figuratively, of course, and as such I certainly agree. Naturally I would never condone infecting a young mind with religion, but I don't think that's what was meant.
Thank you! Someone that understands metaphor. Although, implying that religion is a disease is pretty harsh. AIDS is a disease...

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Damn straight +1 chunkymonster.
I am glad my old man raised me strict.
Thank you! Being "strict" inherently implies that the child is being raised in a environment that has structure, rules, and discipline; and has parental figures that maintains the structure, enforces the rules, and disciplines when necessary. Contrary to the "it takes a village to raise a child" and "Dr. Spock" mindset, structure and discipline begins at home and is solely and wholly the responsibility of the parents. As they say, "The apple does not fall far from the tree."

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Defiantly, violence is not the best answer nor is it the first step.
More like a last resort when all other proper parenting methods have failed.

I believe that if you need to spank your kid once a day, hell once a week even, you are failing as a parent anyways.
You need to be a good parent first otherwise a swat or two will have little effect in the long run.
More, a spanking properly applied helps teach the child that there are definite consequences to their more serious actions.

If they know that there are more serious actions to be taken for continuing what ever they are doing past a simple time out, loosing their toys for an hour, being banned from the TV, etc. they are more likely to think through their actions and make the proper decision.
+1! Well put...
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January 16, 2010 7:33:23 PM

@chunkymonsster:

id have to disagree, as personally i dont think it fair to introduce a child to religion until they are old enough to make their own decisions and conclusions. and more importantly, teaching them about one religion is simply indoctrination. using religion as a tool to teach a child to behave also seems very unfair.
though the basic premise i understand, and it is important to teach your child the world does not revolve around them, and that they must learn of consequences to their actions.

@outlaw, i see your point. i do not have children myself, so of course my view cannot be completely informed. i do not condone hitting a child under any circumstance, but if used on a rare basis as you have indicated, and not as a way of simply hurting the child when a parent is angry, i can see it having its uses.
i still think though that you could easily raise a child without ever using violence in that way. alot of people simply find it hard NOT to.
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January 17, 2010 5:14:57 AM

I'm not sure if it is unlawful to spank a child in your country but in my country, it is not so I did make good use of it when my kids were little and today at 19 they are behaved, God fearing and respectful of others. However its not just spanking that did it. It was combined with patiently explaining what is proper, and what is not at every possible occasion. If they do anything improper once, I talk to them and set a penalty if they do it again. Its something like this:
1st offense - explain why it is not proper. Set penalty for next offense. Make the child repeat it so you are sure the child understand. Believe me, 4 year olds are old enough to understand and remember.
2nd offense - 1 spank.
3nd offense - 2 spanks.
and so on & so forth but believe me it will stop.

Do's & Don't when spanking:
1. Use only one item for spanking. A 2 inch wide plastic ruler will be easy to find. Do not use anything else to spank the child (never your hand or slippers or belt). The kid has to identify this object for spanking only and he knows that when you hold it, he better behave.
2. Don't spank the child when he is standing as the child may twist when spanked and you hit something else. Make the child lie on the stomach & spank in the butt so that it will really hurt ( although it will break your heart but better than this way rather than your heart is broken when he goes to jail or die in a riot someday).

Before you spank the child:
1. Ask the child why are you going to spank him/her. Remind the child of your prior agreement over the issue.
2. Tell the child you love him/her and it hurts you too but any improper behavior have its consequences.
After you spank the child:
1. Hug the child. The mother will be the best person to console.

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Husband & wife should agree to this. No one should should take side with the child in times of punishment so the child will learn no one can save him from the consequences of his/her mischief and he/she has to suffer it or behave so it will not happen again.
Never make idle threats that you can not do. Example: I'm going to throw you away... or I'm going to give you to the bogeyman... Once the child learns your threat is idle, he/she will lose respect. Do only one thing as a way to punish and that is to spank as stated above.
Don't use material reward system otherwise he will grow up expecting a reward for not doing mischief and he will just be disappointed when he did not get one. Loving praises are enough.
Never spank in anger. Cool down if you have to before you confront and punish the child so you will be in a clear mind and you can talk to the child in soft and loving voice before you spank him/her.
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January 17, 2010 12:15:47 PM

Sounds about like a good parenting plan.

Everything but the religious stuff that is.
Better to raise them with an open mind and have them decide for them self after they move out.
IMO, forcing religion on a child is a good way to mess them up good.
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January 17, 2010 1:10:03 PM

I always wonder when people say god fearing, what god are they referring to?

There is a hell of a lot of them.
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January 17, 2010 1:57:31 PM

There is only one God. Some people believe, some don't. But my family does and a lot of good it did us... But I think it is going to be way of topic to discuss it here. :) 
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January 17, 2010 2:21:38 PM

Just returned from a speech language pathologist..my kid has autism and is hyperactive. :(  Yeah, i do need God's help.
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January 17, 2010 3:50:04 PM

That is terrible and I am very sorry to hear that.
I wish you and your family the strength to manage this unforeseen development.
Just remember that autism or not, he is still the same child he was yesterday and can still make a great future for himself, it may just take a little extra support.
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January 17, 2010 9:09:48 PM

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There is only one God. Some people believe, some don't. But my family does and a lot of good it did us... But I think it is going to be way of topic to discuss it here. :) 


Which god is that though?

Oh and re autism, there are some websites that offer a place to share your feelings and experiences about such things. Wrongplanet is the only one I know.
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January 17, 2010 9:51:50 PM

mrsam1999, don't feel bad... our friend's son has more than mild autism but he did better than most kids. At an early age, he learned how to read japanese characters by his own and a lot of other amazing stuff. He graduated in college last year and is now independent.

Of course it was a bit of a challenge for our friend but they did it even without the benefit of the www (the son is now 22years old). With today's online support like "wrongplanet" as Strangestranger mentioned I bet it will be easier.

But nevertheless, get the opinion of another specialist regarding your kid...

Strangestranger, I am a Catholic. Our belief is summed up in the Apostles' Creed and we call God "Our Father".




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January 17, 2010 11:22:41 PM

i believe there is only one 'god' (as in, the creator referred to as god). as Christianity, Judaism and Islam all worship the same god, but follow different prophets.

i agree though that you should not force your own religious beliefs on a child. thats indoctrination, as they are too young to actually make their own conclusions. its why so much religious hatred exists these days.

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January 17, 2010 11:46:44 PM



Only one god?

Many gods hence why you need to provide a name, otherwise how can other people telll what sort of crazy you are?
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January 17, 2010 11:50:35 PM

i meant literally as in, 'God'. the god who is named God.

there are lots of other gods, to other religions, but generally when someone says 'god' they are referring to the post-judaism God. otherwise they would use the respective gods name.
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January 17, 2010 11:53:25 PM

You can not be sure on an international forums. That was what I have been getting at. Basically proving there is no god.
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January 17, 2010 11:59:47 PM

true, i always assume that they mean God when they say that though.
i don't think many other widespread religions have a deity to fear, not for a while anyway. but that doesn't stop people attempting to instill fear into people. thats pretty much the whole point of religion these days right?

im not against the idea of a god as such, but anything written by man on the subject cannot possibly be truthful. by definition, it SHOULD be beyond our understanding.

this thread is rapidly spiraling. but i'm enjoying it. lets hope it doesn't get deleted.

have mercy mousemonkey.
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January 18, 2010 12:06:51 AM

Yes let's get back to appropriate methods of beating children.

Anyone have a favourite weapon of choice?

The ruler has been mentioned already.

Golf clubs, cricket bat?
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January 18, 2010 12:08:34 AM

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Yes let's get back to appropriate methods of beating children.

Anyone have a favourite weapon of choice?

The ruler has been mentioned already.

Golf clubs, cricket bat?


made me LOL.

i wonder if said child will grow up with an aversion to rulers, or other measuring equipment?...
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January 18, 2010 12:16:00 AM

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id have to disagree, as personally i dont think it fair to introduce a child to religion until they are old enough to make their own decisions and conclusions. and more importantly, teaching them about one religion is simply indoctrination. using religion as a tool to teach a child to behave also seems very unfair.


This is the most correct statement ever. Faith cannot be given, it must be found or left, anything other is indoctrination. If someone feels that Hinduism makes more sense than Christianity, then they have the right to practice their preferred religion. If a person chooses not to follow any religion, then it is their choice to make to find their own path in life. If a person strictly believes that there is no god, then that is also faith which has all the same rights to exist as other religions. If a person doesn't give a damn, then by all means just don't give a damn it is their choice.
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January 18, 2010 12:35:56 AM

AMW, im not sure what part of my statemnt you take issue with, but...

you think that the hundreds of thousands of people who are christian just because their parents told them it was true from an early age, have made their own decisions?

i hear it all the time, and meet people who take christianity as a god-given fact, simply because their parents told them so. and if their parents had not told them so, they may or may not have chosen the same religious path on their own.
so in that case, their 'faith' certainly is given.

a good friend of mine from school was with the latter day saints (mormons) i used to enjoy talking to him about the relgion, but it always bugged me how everything he took as truth, he only did so because thats how he'd been raised. he had not discovered faith, it had been forced upon him from childhood.

so while i agree with what you have said, im not sure where you are disagreeing with me. i did say exactly, that to introduce a child to one religion at a young age is indoctrination.

if you teach your child about religion, it should be about lots of them. not your own. the same goes for those who do not follow a religion. you should not raise your child an atheist, just because you are.

like i said, im not sure what part of that statement you take issue with, as i agree with you completely.

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January 18, 2010 12:42:54 AM

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AMW, im not sure what part of my statemnt you take issue with, but...

you think that the hundreds of thousands of people who are christian just because their parents told them it was true from an early age, have made their own decisions?

i hear it all the time, and meet people who take christianity as a god-given fact, simply because their parents told them so. and if their parents had not told them so, they may or may not have chosen the same religious path on their own.
so in that case, their 'faith' certainly is given.

a good friend of mine from school was with the latter day saints (mormons) i used to enjoy talking to him about the relgion, but it always bugged me how everything he took as truth, he only did so because thats how he'd been raised. he had not discovered faith, it had been forced upon him from childhood.

so while i agree with what you have said, im not sure where you are disagreeing with me. i did say exactly, that to introduce a child to one religion at a young age is indoctrination.

if you teach your child about religion, it should be about lots of them. not your own. the same goes for those who do not follow a religion. you should not raise your child an atheist, just because you are.

like i said, im not sure what part of that statement you take issue with, as i agree with you completely.


Lol I wasn't disagreeing, I was trying not to actually applaud while reading what you said at my computer desk. You hit the nail on the head and I found it very refreshing to see people agreeing with that.
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January 18, 2010 12:46:55 AM

Oh my "god"! I feel sincerely bad for the OP. Just reading this for the first time and it kept getting worse and worse. So many ludicrous replies I can't comment on them all. :( 
In general the OP question was #1 what is sensitive to shock inside the tower? #2 what can he do to protect the tower? All he got back was soap box rantings about how he should raise his child. The only valid replies were very few... careful of hard drive, buy an SSD, and don't use pillows. The other 2 pages of posts are comments about child abuse and what a "good" kid should be like and how Mr. Sam is responsible for his sons every action and finally the everlasting debate of the ages, RELIGION!!! Come on. What is this forum about for freak'n sake? Give this guy a break!

Ive got a 3 year old of my own and I could imagine him hitting my pc or anything in the house at a moments notice. So what, a lot of parents will find this to be a risk of parenthood. Im not guilty of child abuse, child neglect or anything in between. Everyone quit reading each word in this forum as if we are on trial here. Calm down, you sound like a bunch of charged up mother-in-laws!

To try to offer my suggestion to your problem Mr. Sam.... I bought a 6 sided plastic fence from a Babys R' Us something like this.
http://www.amazon.com/North-States-Superyard-Gate-Play/...
It works well in a variety of situations but its primary purpose is to keep a doorway with no door closed to a small kid. I don't use it by itself, (and I dont have it in a hexagon, it is linear) I have one side pinned against the wall with a large tower speaker and the other with a large dog crate. Otherwise my son would move it easily. It sounds like you use your pc for your kid's entertainment/education so in this case you may need him to be close to the monitor, then this fence may be of little help. In that case maybe you could buy an especially long cable and link your pc to a television that way your pc could be in one room and the child and tv in another. You could go wireless in this case too if you want. Also you could buy or make a shelf to mount your pc on the wall up high. This may take a lot of effort but it might be adequate depending on your layout of the room. I think you mentioned you sit with your son at the computer together and try to monitor his actions, this is what I do too. I rarely let him close to my desktop and when he does I am right there with him. My laptop is different I let him touch it more because if it was to break I would lose a lot less in money and saves. My last birthday my brother gave me a Philips portable DVD player, has something lie a 7 or 9 inch screen. Its become my son's basically. He sits with it in the car on trips and he loves it so much. Its the first piece of technology that he has probably felt ownership of and respects it well until he is cranky, tired, or hungry then you never know. Anyway my point is with Lucas (my son) he is sort of in training with this DvD player for using larger more expensive technology. Depending on how he follows our directions with it determines what he will be allowed to handle next. But we are commonly telling him to stop pushing the play/pause, and yes he has thrown this thing, it still works surprisingly.

Hope this might help. Will try to think of other suggestions.
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January 18, 2010 12:48:00 AM

ah, i totally misread. i thought you'd said i was incorrect.

i feel like an ass now, xD

re-reading your post, it now makes much more sense.

ha, sorry :D 
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January 18, 2010 12:50:29 AM

@4trees, i think we gave the most effective solution possible. teach the kid not to hit it. its a pc, and theres not alot you can do to protect it. at least not without restricting airflow :S

and we have all acknowledged this topic has derailed, but we are now enjoying an interesting debate.

kudos on trying to help though :D 
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January 18, 2010 1:00:49 AM

There sure is a whole lotta God hating going on in this thread...kind of ironic given how preachy some of these posts come off as...

God is love and love is God, regardless of what form the God you choose to believe in (or not believe in) takes...whether you believe or don't believe, believing one way or the other does not make one more correct than another...love and embrace your fellow man...it is amazing how similar we all are when we look past our differences...



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January 18, 2010 1:16:10 AM

@chunky, i don't see any god hating (except perhaps from stranger). :p 

choosing not to believe (or being unable to believe you could say), doesn;t make a person a god hater.

and remember, there is a big difference between God as an idea, and religion.

religion, by its very foundation, is wrong. it is conceived, developed, and perpetuated by man, and is therefore is fundamentally flawed.
as i said earlier, i am not against the idea of god. but for any person to think they 'understand' what is by definition incomprehensible, is absurd.
i pity those who follow blindly, instead of seeking answers for themselves.
but that is simply a natural reaction by someone who was raised to seek answers to questions, rather than being given them.
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