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December 20, 2012 12:51:09 AM

Title says it all, I need to find a TV for PC gaming.

I kinda already know what I want to get but I'd appreciate you guys help narrowing the field down a bit.

I have a price range of about $300 dollars, I don't need anything too much larger than 27", It has to be 1080p, 120hz and with 1.4 HDMI. Then last but not least: refresh rate - I'm looking for something within the range of 5ms and that's the part that's killing me to find.

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a b x TV
December 20, 2012 10:36:44 AM
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if you want a tv for gaming then you do NOT want 120hz.

realize that 120hz televisions only accept a 60hz input and fake in the other 60 frames. some seem to think this makes video look smoother but in games this extra processing delay can result in a noticible delay between game input and the results on screen.

most 120hz televisions should have a 60hz mode as well but i have heard reports of this not working properly so i would advise to buy 60hz only if you will be using the monitor for gaming only.

i would not worry so much about response times. realize that blinking itself takes 20ms. the absolute highest response time for 60hz is 16ms so anything 12-14ms and below is perfectly fine. gamers often think 2-5ms is a requirement but this is just a good guideline not fact. for 120hz the resonse time needs to a maximum of 8, preferably 6 or less.

personally i'd recommend sony, samsung and lg in that order. led or ccfl... at your price range there isnt any quality difference just a reduction in power usage with led.

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if you want true 120hz/3d go with a 120hz tn panel in a computer monitor. they use a dual link dvi connection and do support up to 120fps 2d or 60fps 3d. tn panels also have very fast response times. the downside is that they often have poor viewing angles and color quality is only 6bit.
a b x TV
December 20, 2012 12:36:15 PM

I guess my question would be does it have to be an HDTV? Could it be just a normal computer monitor:

1) Acer S271HLbid Black 27" - $279.99
2) Hanns-G HL272HPB Black 27" - $229.99

Both are 1080p (recommended resolution of 1920x1080) and have HDMI and DVI inputs. I've actually used the predecessor of the Hanns-G model. Loved it for gaming (1920x1200), but it died after only 3+ years.

-Wolf sends

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December 20, 2012 8:52:55 PM

So I know I've heard about the 120hz TVs not really having 120hz for their input but where exactly is this information found? And then there's the small fact that HDMI seems to work better than DVI for picture. And if you actually right about it actually being 60hz then please tell me what actual difference there is between TVs and monitors, DVI and HDMI cables are exactly the same thing the only difference is that HDMI also plays sound and with the latest 1.4 cables the amount of info you can pass through them is apparently perfect for 3D which incidentally has to be run on at least 120hz.

If you could just point me in the general direction to get this info I'd be appreciative. Better yet if you could just lay it out for me.
December 20, 2012 11:51:32 PM

I have always been fond of Vizio TVs. I have 3 in my house currently. 1 Plasma and 2 LED. I have never had a problem with any of these TVs. People always talk about plasma burn in and over heating but I beg to differ. Vizios have a great price range for what they offer. I guess the key is checking reviews on sites like www.tvrevs.com and seeing what others have to say about the TV your looking at before you buy it. Pricing compared to features is always an issue too. Make sure you read some reviews before you grab a TV. Just my two cents.
a b x TV
December 31, 2012 12:40:36 PM

60hz input on 120hz televisions is common and i'm sure there are multiple sources if you google it. it can be listed on some detailed product specification sheets as well but some abbreviated versions do not list it.

dvi and hdmi should be almost identical in terms of picture quality. there are also dvi cables which can carry sound. realize that there are different versions of hdmi and dvi cables. i personally use a dvi to hdmi cable and it works perfectly for video and sound.

3d does not have to be ran at a minimum of 120hz. you need to have a 120hz input if you want 60hz 3d output. technically a 60hz panel should be able to display 30hz 3d (60hz input) or 60hz 3d at half the resolution depending on if you use active or passive 3d.

if you want 3d for pc gaming you want a 120hz pc monitor not a television. these accept 120hz via a dual link dvi connection (2 dvi cables) so can display either 120hz 2d or 60hz 3d. realize that tn panels often can show color shifting when viewed at a slight angle. if you want 120hz/60hz 3d its just something you need to live with. if you dont want color shifting then you need to live with 60hz.

about vizio... in general olevia, emerson, vizio and all of the other cheap televisions are about the same. cheap to buy but typically warranties are short and repair parts are almost impossible to find. think of them as displosable tvs. great while they last but do pray that no problems ever arise. sony does stock parts and samsung and lg may as well.
January 7, 2013 2:40:03 AM

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April 3, 2013 8:56:14 PM

now that i work with electronics and own a Panasonic VT plasma i doubt i will ever buy another LED ever! plasmas are superior in every possible spec when it comes to pic quality, and longevity LEDs are over priced over speced with fake #s and backed by samsung and sharp who are Ok but not worth what they charge
a b x TV
April 4, 2013 6:39:08 AM

plasma televisions are superior in every respect you say?

how about the power consumption? around 200w compared with 50w for new led lcds. this means that at an average kwh price a new led tv can cost you $13 per year and a plasma can cost you $51 assuming 8 hour days every day at 8.7 per kwh. granted, its not going to kill your bank but its still a clear win.

how about longevity? 60,000 hours mtbf plasma compared with 100,000 mtbf for led. granted that is about 21 years for plasma and 34 years for led assuming 8 hours per day. i agree at these time scales the tv is likely to be replaced or die of other issues however it would be fair to call either tv equal in this regard.

how about contrast? while it still is true that plama technology does produce better levels than most lcd/led tvs the new zone dimming products on the market have made a vast improvment in the lcd scene. some numbers from testing have produced similar or better numbers than comparable plasma products. plasma still may beat out most of the competition but zone dimming models are about equal.

how about refresh rate? on this i still do believe plasma is the better choice. new 120 and 240hz lcd/led tvs can produce soap box effect which looks unnatural. however there are also people who are perfectly happy with 60hz such as is common on computer monitors. this win would still be for plasma.

how about brightness? lcd/led is much better for bright sun and commonly is brighter. plasma televisions are best used out of direct sunlight. what type of panel wins has more to do with where you put it. lcd/led is better for bright or direct sunlight areas and plasma is a good choice for dimmer areas. of course lcd/led can function in dim areas as well. i would say this is a toss up between the two.

how about color accuracy? first and formost this has quite a bit to do with having your television calibrated properly. as far as i can tell 8bit and possibly 10 bit lcd panels are used in televisions. this compares with professional lcdmonitors for computers. i havent found a source which was able to compare this to plasma tvs. as such, at best i can say they are both at the level where accuracy should not be a problem.

companies creating false numbers or bumping numbers in their favor has always been and will always be a problem not just with lcd technology but with any technology.

new technology (such as zone dimming led) is always expensive. it is no different than pc hardware and how prices drop over time as the market becomes saturated. branding is also no different: large well known brands command high prices while lesser known brands bring up the rear.

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in short?

i agree with your sentiments that plasma still has a place and is often overlooked but neither one of the products are a perfect do all solution. honestly there are quite a few factors involved and we all have our own opinion on what we prefer.

April 4, 2013 3:23:03 PM

ssddx said:
plasma televisions are superior in every respect you say?

how about the power consumption? around 200w compared with 50w for new led lcds. this means that at an average kwh price a new led tv can cost you $13 per year and a plasma can cost you $51 assuming 8 hour days every day at 8.7 per kwh. granted, its not going to kill your bank but its still a clear win.

how about longevity? 60,000 hours mtbf plasma compared with 100,000 mtbf for led. granted that is about 21 years for plasma and 34 years for led assuming 8 hours per day. i agree at these time scales the tv is likely to be replaced or die of other issues however it would be fair to call either tv equal in this regard.

how about contrast? while it still is true that plama technology does produce better levels than most lcd/led tvs the new zone dimming products on the market have made a vast improvment in the lcd scene. some numbers from testing have produced similar or better numbers than comparable plasma products. plasma still may beat out most of the competition but zone dimming models are about equal.

how about refresh rate? on this i still do believe plasma is the better choice. new 120 and 240hz lcd/led tvs can produce soap box effect which looks unnatural. however there are also people who are perfectly happy with 60hz such as is common on computer monitors. this win would still be for plasma.

how about brightness? lcd/led is much better for bright sun and commonly is brighter. plasma televisions are best used out of direct sunlight. what type of panel wins has more to do with where you put it. lcd/led is better for bright or direct sunlight areas and plasma is a good choice for dimmer areas. of course lcd/led can function in dim areas as well. i would say this is a toss up between the two.

how about color accuracy? first and formost this has quite a bit to do with having your television calibrated properly. as far as i can tell 8bit and possibly 10 bit lcd panels are used in televisions. this compares with professional lcdmonitors for computers. i havent found a source which was able to compare this to plasma tvs. as such, at best i can say they are both at the level where accuracy should not be a problem.

companies creating false numbers or bumping numbers in their favor has always been and will always be a problem not just with lcd technology but with any technology.

new technology (such as zone dimming led) is always expensive. it is no different than pc hardware and how prices drop over time as the market becomes saturated. branding is also no different: large well known brands command high prices while lesser known brands bring up the rear.

-----

in short?

i agree with your sentiments that plasma still has a place and is often overlooked but neither one of the products are a perfect do all solution. honestly there are quite a few factors involved and we all have our own opinion on what we prefer.



Plasmas are more than superior. Power consumption is slighly higher but in EVERY aspect of picture quality plasmas are far far far superior. Colors are better and more colors are offered. Smoother more natural and darker like tvs should be. Brightness is overrated and even bad for human eyes. As for LEDs ya they are lighter sometimes thinner and brighter but the buck stops there friends. O and as for tv life compare samsungs 5 years to panasonics 30 years of life. Panasonic is the Bently of tvs. There is no TV on the market under $20k that can beat a Panasonic VT/ZT flagship plasma
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