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January 2, 2004 11:16:23 PM

<A HREF="http://www6.tomshardware.com/mobile/20031216/index.html" target="_new">Athlon64-3000+</A> can't even put 1.7 GHZ Intel will lesser FSB Frequency to shame. Now tell me boud the "MHZ does not matter", hehehe.

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January 3, 2004 1:05:13 AM

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Athlon64-3000+ can't even put 1.7 GHZ Intel will lesser FSB Frequency to shame. Now tell me boud the "MHZ does not matter", hehehe.

1) "lesser FSB frequency" -- <b>BZZZZT!</b> The Athlon64 was crippled with less bandwidth in this case, partly because it only had a single-channel memory controller, and partly because it got stuck with slow PC2100 SO-DIMMs.

2) The Pentium-M in the Dell laptop was a Banias CPU, a beefed-up Pentium 3 core designed for high IPC at the expense of clock scaling. The core will likely never see 2GHz until a 90nm shrink (a la Dothan). If it was a P4-M, then AMD could be ashamed of not beating it completely senseless, but that wasn't the case.

3) Despite the other crippling inflicted on it, the Athlon64 only really fell behind when powersaving was turned up to the max. So the only legit detail you have to troll with is that a prototype or very-early-production unit didn't have its power management properly worked out. That's not a lot to go on, kimosabi.

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January 3, 2004 2:05:56 AM

lol hahahahaha we are talking about a freaking laptop.
The amd one was at 800mhz for the power saving test (Talk about speed difference).

Do you want a Troll cookie. Yeah i know you want it. Take it. Yeah good troll.


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January 3, 2004 2:11:22 AM

I think this is a case of...

Duh, I don’t read the articles, I just look at the shiny bars and when (enter fanboy company here) is ahead, I go a trolling.

Dichromatic for your viewing plesure...
January 3, 2004 2:25:51 AM

Best way to get rid of a troll is beating it with a stick!

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January 3, 2004 3:11:00 AM

ahem, steps on soap box
dood your so gay!!!!! amd roxors joor boxors!!!!!!!!!!! your so stupid!!!!!! amd is invincible!!!!!!!!! intel obviously cheated, i bet they got some kind of mind control device from aliens and forced them to make the review look like amd sucked and intel rules. man your so stupid your stupid!!!!!! amd forever!!!!!!!!! gahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! rofl. wheres amdmeltdown? your trolling pales by comparison.

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January 3, 2004 3:21:44 AM

That's the first Amd vs Intel battle this new year.
January 3, 2004 5:25:42 AM

You have a small e-penis.

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January 3, 2004 6:16:33 AM

Yup, that is one crappy laptop. Blame goes to mobo? ram? setup? or operator error?
January 3, 2004 9:34:38 AM

<""That's the first Amd vs Intel battle this new year."">

LOL, it's not a "battle", it's a laughter, lol, poor AMD, can't even put their flag CPU on their own chipset, have to bag some other "dood" to make something to put it in and make it look like a working unit. LOL

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January 3, 2004 9:39:25 AM

<""The Pentium-M in the Dell laptop was a Banias CPU, a beefed-up <b>Pentium 3 core</b>"">

Dude, am I loozing it, or do you really wanna say that P3 slaughtered newestestest CPU out there? Jees, that's a BIGestest shame I have witnessed since I bought my First P166-MMX.

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January 3, 2004 9:44:26 AM

<""and forced them to make the review look like amd sucked and intel rules"">

dood, as stupid as I am I could still notice that Tom was in pain that he, as much as he wanted to, could not help AMD look good in that review. so it gives me really warm and cozy feeling that stupid me is smarter than smart you.

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January 3, 2004 9:45:48 AM

sorry, stupid me forgot: "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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January 3, 2004 9:46:11 AM

He was grasping at straws for a fight and ended up with the short one.

Blah gets to put the stick of high explosive in his shorts and drag his arse across the front room floor like the family dog.

Since they are talking about Laptop CPU variants in the post everything drops down to a very basic issue and that issue is heat dissipation.

Both Intel and AMD mod Laptop CPU's to function in such a manner that the CPU's run many power saving options.

I could not fault either Intel or AMD for any applications in laptop design. It is still the leading edge in Engineering design efforts to make a computer as small as a laptop function correctly. Under very specific design constraints do to size, battery life and heat management.

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January 3, 2004 9:56:24 AM

with all due respect SoBNighthog, but did you read the <A HREF="http://www6.tomshardware.com/mobile/20031216/yakumo_ath..." target="_new"> specs </A>? It's like Goliath and David. Wake up Nighthog, and by the way, AMD has to hire my own self to get some advice for the future use.

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January 3, 2004 10:33:47 AM

Look Blah if your going to give me [-peep-] for something I said you could think up something original.

I hope the same mundane attitude you have for a tongue lashing isn't the same advice they ask of you, or we are all going to be cooling our heals in the stone age of computer design for many years to come.

Keep up the er... good work there son.

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January 3, 2004 10:43:55 AM

By the way Blah I am sure you can sluff your way through a board room meeting. Just sit at the back of the conference table.
That way you wont get your wooden nose cut off by a real Engineer's slide rule as he is sharpening his wit on your face.

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January 3, 2004 2:12:37 PM

man, thats sad.

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January 3, 2004 4:10:22 PM

If this is some dumb marketing ploy by AMD, then they need to fire their marketing crew. They did this with the bartons and now they are doing this with the 64. They lower the clock but make the claim that its better. Dont even waste your money with the 64 3000 and 64 3200. The only one that kinda worth it is the 64 FX which is patheticly expensive. I dont care if its 64bit architecture, should have had a MUCH higher clock like at least 2.5ghz to make it worthy.

They need to drop the marketing trickery and put some swesome rawpower out there or intel will continue to smoother them. Ive been an AMD fan all the way up to the Bartons but Id tell ya now my next system would most likely be and intel system over the AMD64.

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January 3, 2004 5:22:22 PM

Hahahahahaha this "blah" guy make me smile by his stupidity.


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January 3, 2004 6:19:53 PM

Almost everyone in this forum is either a TROLL or simply STUPID! Including YOU! Of course there are some exceptions but only a few! Learn to educate yourself first before posting dude! Argghhhhh ... I have just re-read your post and became even more angry. Why am I even wasting my time with guys like you!
January 3, 2004 6:21:09 PM

Everything mentioned in my previous post goes for you too .. troll! Sh1t man, you are an idiot!
January 3, 2004 7:30:25 PM

Pitsi get the vote!! But he has to donate 24 hours a week to working with the Homeless and under privileged children.

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January 3, 2004 8:23:24 PM

Dude what F__CKING gerbal crawled up your a$$ and died. Id bet your the weak litte meglomaniac person that can only make its futile attempts of excerting its pathetic power to people in places that cannot physicallly beat the respect out of you. Id just dare you to bark like that in front of someone.

If we are TOO stupid for you then do us all a favor and get the flip off this board and start your own with your own set of guidelines. Or better yet, go back to hacking corperate servers. If you dont like wat you see here then GET OUT!!!! You are more than free to just FAMOOSH!!!!

As for my education, I just got my doctrine in mathmatics which I have Jack Daniels to think and where you at right now besides a BS degree in whinning. Normally I would not go down to the level you are at and bash back but Id woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. If I tpye something incorrect on this forum then EXCUUUUSE ME for having a life outside the computer.

Otherwise my opinion on AMD still stands and hence the funky-looking characters on each side of "opinion." Got something with that then you can contact me at 1-800-DILLIGAF

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January 3, 2004 8:25:36 PM

Look who talking, little man doesnt even know the purpose of this forum subject.

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January 3, 2004 8:29:07 PM

When it comes to computers you are <b>obviously</b> as stupid as it gets, so why don't you simply shut up? Btw, beat the respect out of me? Yeah, that is really frightening, [-peep-]!
January 3, 2004 8:40:16 PM

You seriously don't know what you're F|_|cking about.
the P-Rating is okay. It doesn't really matter. We AMD fans don't care. Only "mhz freaks" care about it. Which is you Intel fans. I don't give a $hit about anything here. As long as I'm helping somebody, I'm going to talk in this forum. By the way, the P-Rating is based on T-birds. not Intel's processors if you didn't know...sigh...n00bs..

One more thing. I don't wanna pay $1600 for a computer that you can buy for $1000. So before you can say anything, rich folks may prefer Intel but we "normal" people prefer systems that have "reasonable" prices. So shut up addiarmadar! You think you know everything but you don't!
....n00bs...

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January 3, 2004 8:48:43 PM

Oh this is getting good, uhhh hmmm wat am I supposed to say here uhhh MAKE ME!!!

Oh thats right YOU CANT!!!!! I guess you are going to have to tolerate people like me on this board which in you case I hope you have an ample supply of antiacid with that attitude..

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January 3, 2004 9:17:46 PM

You did not get my post, sigh, allow me to clarify. Please take a look of all results from the amd 64 and there is no reason for the prices that AMD are asking. Thats my gripe. I love AMD for the $/performance ratio but not with the amd 64 you get less performance per $. For 750 bucks you will get the performance of a p4 3ghz which is more than 50% less, Ive done the testing myself. I can only but the "enhance data flow per clock" gig for only soo long. Granted my gamming does improve as i go up the AMD level but the boot and load times for the os and apps stay the same. With Intels you will get both. The average Joe does not pay attention to this kind of stuff and care about speed, loads, and performace. Thats why major OEMs like Dell and Gateways are sticking with intels.

Oh yeah, I am very much aware of the P-Rating system but T-Birds are out of the mainstream and is useless in the hear and now. Both us AMD fans and AMD themselves needs to realize they cannot compare new products with their own retired stuff but to their direct competitor's current stuff. Im a true fan to the performance/$ ratio and right now intel has been quickly catching up. Sure OCing has kept AMD in the game but they just started locking the multiplier again. Quick thinking techical here and think business. AMD has shot themselves in the foot with the AMD 64 by pricing them so high.

Intels is also guilty with the P4EE chip by charging a grand just to have more cache. Of course all that does is decrease load times to most of use WHO CARES!!! There I did my intel bash, happy now...

If I had a choice between the barton, amd64, and P4 then I choose the barton in a heartbeat. Unfortunately the avergage joe would most likely pick the P4 so ask yourself why is that...

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January 3, 2004 9:30:12 PM

The FX gives you much more than a 3.0 p4 would. I still think 750$ is outrageous for any CPU, but there is no point in blatant lies...

The A64 3000+ costs 53$ less than the P4 3.0C for roughly the same performance. I don't understand what you're complaining about.

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January 3, 2004 10:01:32 PM

Im not saying AMD is trying to hose you, what I am saying is that performace/$ has dropped significantly with the release of the 64s. Youre absolutely right that the a64 3000+ is about the same is the P4 3C and so is the price which is the problem. There is a big difference between performance and load times in wich the p4 3.0C has a commanding lead.

Honestly the p4 3.2 ghz outperforms the AMD64 3200+ but the bad part is that the p4 3.2 ghz is cheaper. Plus one of my barton 2500 rigs can easiliy smoke the amd64 3200 at stock and the chip only cost me 80 bucks where the AMD 64 3200 is 400 bucks. The AMD64 3000+ is a economical of the 64s but I never noticed a change from the barton 3000+.

I wish i had the time to write a thesis on this but I dunnot . I have been impressed with AMD's work up till the AMD 64 series. Its simply too expensive for what you get out of them and still the same stuff just slightly different name.

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January 3, 2004 10:09:32 PM

like I said. We enthusiasists don't buy most extreme high-end stuffs. We only buy things that are cheap and good. For now, AthlonXP 2500+ seems a good deal. P4s are asking a little more out of your wallet. it's about $50 - $60 difference so I say go with AMD. you can pick up a logitech z640 for the money that you saved. what a deal! :)  so you Intel fans, just donate the extra money to me if you need to spend any money on Pentiums. thankyou.:D 

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January 3, 2004 11:36:21 PM

idiot

Damn Rambus.
January 4, 2004 1:24:42 AM

No...why?

Damn Rambus.
January 4, 2004 2:58:57 AM

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Im not saying AMD is trying to hose you, what I am saying is that performace/$ has dropped significantly with the release of the 64s.

The point of Athlon64 and AthlonFX was not to be economy parts. They were designed to be "god" parts (and they meet their design target quite nicely).

Athlon64 3000 is a bit closer to an economy part, but "not there yet." That's why AthlonXPs are still in production.

Quote:
There is a big difference between performance and load times in wich the p4 3.0C has a commanding lead.

M-hmm, based on what benchmark scores here? I have yet to see this "commanding lead" of which you speak.

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Honestly the p4 3.2 ghz outperforms the AMD64 3200+

~90% of hardware reviewers beg to differ on that.

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Plus one of my barton 2500 rigs can easiliy smoke the amd64 3200 at stock

I highly doubt that, even with the Barton at 2200MHz. Athlon64 has significantly better IPC, and Bartons can't utilize the extra FSB bandwidth worth a flip.

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January 4, 2004 5:39:20 AM

You only get 12 copy and paste functions in Microsoft word before it informs you that you cannot proceed any further, last time I checked it did not matter if you had an Intel or an AMD processor ;) 
The only difference is the Intel chip would proly crash,,,no joke they get real pissy when you fudge them, the AMD junk simply keeps working. Ignoramce is bliss.

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January 4, 2004 5:47:00 AM

I don't really prefer either. I just get whatever is the best for me at the time I upgrade.

The thing I do like about them is that they provide competition, making the other advance while keeping prices down.

I really do hate it when somebody only discredits one company, whether it be AMD or Intel--they both make quality chips and make the other keep improving.

Damn Rambus.
January 4, 2004 5:51:27 AM

Yeah, we all know how much you like to cut and paste...

Weird, never had my 1GHz Athlon or my 2.66GHz P4B crash on me because I had my clipboard full. That seems to be a bit more RAM oriented. Those types of comments are just what I should expect from you I guess.

Your ignorance is pissing me off.

Damn Rambus.
January 4, 2004 8:16:13 AM

Quote:
Your ignorance is pissing me off.

I know <b><i><font color=red>exactly</b></i></font color=red> what you mean!
January 4, 2004 8:21:28 AM

Ok, I'll try and sum up all your inaccuracies in one of your posts:

1. "Please take a look of all results from the amd 64 and there is no reason for the prices that AMD are asking."
2. "I love AMD for the $/performance ratio but not with the amd 64 you get less performance per $."
3. "For 750 bucks you will get the performance of a p4 3ghz which is more than 50% less, Ive done the testing myself."
4. "Granted my gamming does improve as i go up the AMD level but the boot and load times for the os and apps stay the same."
5. "With Intels you will get both."
6. "Thats why major OEMs like Dell and Gateways are sticking with intels."

I'm too tired to explain why! If anyone is kind enough to do it then you may learn something.
January 4, 2004 8:24:09 AM

Btw, read a <A HREF="http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon64-3..." target="_new">review</A> once in a while will ya?

Then, come back here again and say to me that the A64 3000+ offers the same level of performance as the 3.0c and that their price/performance ratio is close! Do you even believe what you are saying?
January 4, 2004 9:00:27 AM

First, let me clarify that I would never think of buying a new system right now. In fact, I plan upgrading next Christmas when both Prescott and San Diego are out, so I can decide between the two. The reasons for this are obvious, newer sockets, PCI-Express, SATA II, etc.

BUT if I had to upgrade right now, I would choose the A64 3000+ anytime over the Pentium 4 2.6c. Here are some prices from Newegg as of today:

Athlon 64 3200+ $215
Corsair TWINX1024-3200LLPT $254

Intel Pentium 4 2.6c Retail $174
Corsair TWINX1024-4000PT $337

So now we have an A64 3000+ and a Pentium 4 @ 3.2GHz (1GHz FSB). In everything except video encoding these two systems should perform similarly, with the pentium probably a bit faster because of the increased FSB but not by a large margin (again I must note that I am not taking video encoding into account here). At the same time, the Pentium system is $42 more expensive, with practically no upgrade path except for a 3.4GHz Prescott if you are lucky. On the other hand, until now we know that at least a 3700+ will be released for S754, and maybe even faster processors on this Socket will be released if the market requires it.

So, if I HAD TO upgrade now, I would deffinetely go for the A64 3000+.

P.S. All this without taking into account the fact that as X-bit Labs review showed, the A64 3000+ can be overclocked to 2.2GHz where it will deffinetely be as fast as the 3.2c in gaming.

P.S.S. In order to achieve the performance of the Pentium 4 @ 3.2GHz as showed in all the online reviews, a more expensive i875 board should be used instead of the cheaper i865P chipset that most people actually use. This factor will also add up to the total cost of the Pentium system described above.
January 4, 2004 9:48:58 AM

As I mentioned in the end of my previous post, the cost of the mobo will further widen the gap between the two.

Asus K8T800 Deluxe $137
vs
Asus P4C800 Deluxe $173

Of course someone may choose the Asus P4P800 Deluxe for $130 but the performance you will get out of the Pentium this way will be less than the performance you see from the various reviews.

Do you know see my point?!
January 4, 2004 12:11:38 PM

<""And with the added bonus of 64-bit..."">

this stuff makes me puke.. 64-bit bonus? what "bonus"? what for? is it something that some normal body can use now?

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January 4, 2004 12:17:19 PM

for "gaming/internet/throwagaintsthewall/cantgocheaper" rig AMD is a way to go, for normal day-to-day business server/client life - in my book never.

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January 4, 2004 12:20:40 PM

<""idiot"">

it was pleasure to meet you Sir "idiot", my name is blah.

but on the serious note, thanks, but I know that one already, heard from my mother.

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January 4, 2004 12:25:34 PM

<""Everything mentioned in my previous post goes for you too .. troll! "">

Can some body tell me what does "troll" mean? I have several explanations in "dictionary.com" can't make my mind what to address myself to: a lure, a singer, a wonderer, or is there some thing I am not educated in yet?

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January 4, 2004 12:32:05 PM

Quote:
for "gaming/internet/throwagaintsthewall/cantgocheaper" rig AMD is a way to go, for normal day-to-day business server/client life - never.

I am really curious about how every new post of you can be even more stupid than the previous one! I believe you have a talent there!
January 4, 2004 12:39:42 PM

hey, even you are a kind of a "smart" fella, but throwing the <""Asus P4C800 Deluxe $173""> remark in here is simply stupid. Why would I bother with "Deluxe" model if I can get IC7 for 124.99? Can you tell me that? As far as I could follow you, you were spreading yerself onto "$/perfarmance" stuff, not features.


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January 4, 2004 12:43:34 PM

<""I believe you have a talent there!"">

LOL, this is my pride and joy. This is what makes me laugh when I am borred on the road, lol.

PS: and by the way, while we at it, read <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?nam..." target="_new"> this </A>, even I don't usually trust my own eyes, but I think there is something that says "the A64 has a very fussy memory controller", which is an ouch in Server.

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