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January 4, 2004 1:50:35 AM

Is the Prescott worth the wait ? Or is a 2.8C Northwood what I should buy? And just spend the savings on a LOT more memory. I realize the Prescott will be priced higher for several months. I'm looking to replace a PII-400, so either one would be a vast improvement. No gaming done on it. But some PhotoShop, so the added L2 memory seems nice.

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January 4, 2004 2:45:23 AM

Unless you want to wait another 6 months or so buy the 2.8C. That will hold you untill Tejas for your next upgrade.
January 4, 2004 3:36:09 AM

Prescott is being launched on Feb 2. It is supposed to launch at 2.8, 3.0, 3.2, and 3.4GHz. On the same day, Intel will also introduce a 3.4GHz Northwood at the same price as the 3.4 Prescott. I suspect the prices will also be the same for the lower speed Prescott chips. This is part of Intel's strategy to quickly transition to 90nm Prescott.

Also, I suspect the speed of Prescott will not be significantly better than similarly clocked Northwoods, but you will be getting SSE3 and improved HT.

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January 4, 2004 5:10:03 AM

I would say wait. Only a month away and if the X-bit lab report is correct the price will be right. If Prescott flops, you can always buy the northwood later.

Anxiously awaiting prescott....is it here yet?
January 4, 2004 5:12:20 AM

9 out of 10 women prefer a man with a Prescott.

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January 4, 2004 5:54:58 AM

Those prices are only MSRP, retailers can adjust them whichever-whichway they want. Chances are they will jack the prices up if Intel advertises well (they will), so don't count your chickens before they hatch. Oh yeah!...no one knows how good the performance really is on Scotty.

TomV, wait until benchies are out before you decide.

Damn Rambus.
January 4, 2004 6:39:31 AM

Why dont you consider an A64 3000+ ?
It beets the crap out of a P4 3.2GHz and is much cheaper...
Unless you like trowing money out of he window go for P4 :o )
January 4, 2004 4:11:49 PM

I realize nothing can be done about retailers jacking up the prices on hot items, but I honestly don't think we will see much of that. If the market is flooded with cheap Prescotts, retailers will have so much competition they won't be able to do any price fixing.

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January 4, 2004 6:54:16 PM

Intel will advertise, people will buy (witnessed by Centrino), prices will be skyhigh.

I expect the 3.4Scotty will be a good $100 more than the 3.4Northwood, even though their MSRPs are both $417.

Eventually prices will fall when the retailers decide to compete (a la 3.2C).

Don't jump the gun with Scotty, we don't know performance, OCing ability, price, or even some mobo compatibilities yet. Wait a few weeks.

Damn Rambus.
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January 5, 2004 3:32:14 AM

How about the fact that every...single...motherboard for the A64 currently on the market is junk?

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January 5, 2004 4:14:24 AM

You got something to back that up or are you just spewing Intel PR again.

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
January 5, 2004 4:21:10 AM

all he said that a 64 bit CPU has to be put into 32 bit mobos. any more explanations?

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January 5, 2004 4:25:44 AM

Re: all he said that a 64 bit CPU has to be put into 32 bit mobos. any more explanations?

NO what he said was ... How about the fact that every...single...motherboard for the A64 currently on the market is junk?

Big difference FOOL..

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
January 5, 2004 4:33:10 AM

if you can't understand abbreviations, how can someone explain stuff to you?

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January 5, 2004 4:36:33 AM

Well if you are smarter than everyone else you explain it .... IDIOT

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
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January 5, 2004 4:41:36 AM

Do you have something to prove the A643000+ is faster in most apps than the P4 3.2C or are you just trolling again?

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January 5, 2004 4:43:02 AM

How about this, rather than have me comment on every single board, why don't you show me your favorite so I can knock it down?

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January 5, 2004 4:46:15 AM

Sorry Crashman please dont play games turning this around...... I never said anything.... It's what YOU said and I am just looking to increase my knowledge a little...

So in regards to...

How about the fact that every...single...motherboard for the A64 currently on the market is junk?

Anything to back that up or are you just spewing Intel PR again????????????????????????????????


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January 5, 2004 5:05:09 AM

Like I said, find a board, I'll knock it down. Lots of nice AMD boards out there, for their XP series.

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January 5, 2004 5:10:20 AM

well, even I am no smarter than everyone else (did I ever said that?), but I do understand your need to feed yerself with a thought that you are smarter than everyone else in order to keep your mentally disabled body happy.

you can't even figure out that you have to break your line of question marks to keep the page in sink, so it wont go out of borders and we would not have to drug that bottom bar back and forth to see the end of it.

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January 5, 2004 5:16:09 AM

Sorry to hear about your mentally disabled body. Make it happy, take it to disneyland.
January 5, 2004 5:23:52 AM

and who are you, was anything pronounced in yer address?

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January 5, 2004 5:34:37 AM

Well Crashman, I know you hate via, but the chipset does so little on the A64 boards, that we should be seeing bios fixes soon.
As for you blah, I'm just someone who has read enough of your posts to realize you neeed a little joy in your life. You will probably never get "lucky", so I thought disneyland was a good bet.
January 5, 2004 5:39:24 AM

it is closed for a season, so I have a little luck to substitute it with THGC for a little while till it reopens again.

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January 5, 2004 5:46:36 AM

Re: Like I said, find a board, I'll knock it down. Lots of nice AMD boards out there, for their XP series.

Crashman I really grow tired of your games. I have asked nothing more of you than to answer your previous post...

"How about the fact that every...single...motherboard for the A64 currently on the market is junk"

Stop turning this around and answer my question!!!! Do you or do you not have anything to back this up. YES or NO!!

Why do you keep answering this legitimate question with another question?


If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
January 5, 2004 5:46:55 AM

Then how can those '32-bit' mobos run 64-bit Linux?? Just a fluke?

Maxtor disgraces the six letters that make Matrox.
January 5, 2004 6:05:10 AM

dude, I am getting little shaky of you. running software in 64 bit mode on a 32 bit hardware does not give you all the goodies of having the 64 bit setup, can you get it into your head? can you stick 64 bit nic or SCSI into any of the boards you are talking about? or have 64 Gig of ram installed and utilized on those boards? dah..

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January 5, 2004 6:08:50 AM

just for your information.

"While 'image processing' is historically a classic example of a 32-bit operation and ideal when optimized for the AltiVec unit, 64-bit code is commonly associated with 'computational fluid dynamics' (CFD) which includes weather modeling, airflow studies as applied to aircraft design, fluids and particles in motion as with high energy plasmas, nuclear reactions, and hydraulics."

that means that the average Jo will not even need the 64 bit as of right now till some very distant future if that matters.

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January 5, 2004 7:36:22 AM

Do you think that if we combined darko and blah that they would cancel each other out and form one reasonable person?

Or perhaps "it" would be so conflicted internally that it wouldn't know what to say and it would just SHUT UP by default.

Then again, we might just end up with one ultra-confused pain in the ass.
January 5, 2004 7:45:55 AM

Who the [-peep-] are YOU!!!!!

Are you saying I am unreasonable?

KrazeIke do you have an example?

What did I say to lead you to this great conclusion?

KrazeIke maybe you are a retard like Blah....

KrazeIke MAYBE you and blah can spew crap together....

You are obviously under an alternative ID I guess I pissed you off somewhere, I wonder where. So who are you really?


KrazeIke look before you judge, you clown...


If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
January 5, 2004 7:59:46 AM

Oh and crashman I see you are still posting and I'd love an answer to my last post to you...

Re: Like I said, find a board, I'll knock it down. Lots of nice AMD boards out there, for their XP series.

Crashman I really grow tired of your games. I have asked nothing more of you than to answer your previous post...

"How about the fact that every...single...motherboard for the A64 currently on the market is junk"

Stop turning this around and answer my question!!!! Do you or do you not have anything to back this up. YES or NO!!

Why do you keep answering this legitimate question with another question?

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
January 5, 2004 8:23:10 AM

You can keep your cookie..

The clown made me out to be some kinda liar idiot. on the level of Blah.

I have every right to refute that.

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
January 5, 2004 8:23:21 AM

It may have been a bit harsh to lump you in with blah, but people who get all excited arguing with crash aren't generally the most reasonable sort of people. I see you have a temper. I, however, will gladly take a cookie, thank you wusy.
January 5, 2004 8:24:25 AM

I only argue with crash when he is wrong.

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
January 5, 2004 8:30:29 AM

I will retract my criticism of darko barring further investigation.
January 5, 2004 8:35:41 AM

Thankyou,

It's always nice to be innocent until proven guilty.

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
January 5, 2004 8:37:04 AM

I tend to agree with ya Crash A64 boards kinda... well ya they suck pretty bad right now.

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January 5, 2004 8:40:39 AM

Well, I looked through some other posts and it appears I was a bit hasty. Sorry about that, man.
January 5, 2004 8:53:20 AM

taitertot is a Intel fanboy....

taitertot since crash is busy or sleeping whatever. Can you enlighten us on how you came to this conclusion? Or will you wait for crash to post and then feebley try and back it up.

That's what I thought. No real answer just a pile of crap.

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
January 5, 2004 9:01:17 AM

Thankyou KrazeIke, for giving me the benifit of the doubt, and anyone can hunt back as far as they want. I never troll or flame at least not that I know of.



If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
January 5, 2004 9:11:03 AM

hay Darko21 Your a moron for typing that way. For not everyone has there screen set to 1024/768. So grow up
January 5, 2004 9:23:20 AM

For

Typing

What

way

butt

lick?

People have bigger monitors better video cards than others it's an imperfect internet so get over it.


If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
January 5, 2004 10:56:37 AM

Intel fanboy? Suppose so since I use a Intel processor. But thats neither here nor there, since I plainly stated that the "current" round of A64 (oops missed this:motherboards) sucks.

With considerations everyone in their dog is aware of the nForce3 chipset problems, A64 motherboard BIOS issues, poor overclocking potential of the chipsets, lack of very common features on certain chipsets such a Serial ATA, Gigabit and the like.

Then we have the VIA thing I dont even want to address since its VIA and well its VIA. Theres SIS and ALI they have always been relyable but a bit sluggy on the performance side as well as features. Then AMD's own chipset is lacking.

So when you take all this into considerations plop these issues with the motherboards you end up with a pretty crappy situation.

Its always been this way, AMD's chipset's and their partner chipsets are usually a bit flacky in the begining, their motherboards they offer are a bit slack on features so that they can reach the desired price points of the users they are targeting. Basically to undercut Intel in any which way and form.

Itll get better the second round for AMD and their partners has always been a far better experience then the first...

Plus they cant be perfect like a blue corp we know of.

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January 5, 2004 11:12:50 AM

if the A64 sucks then why does it take the p4 ee to even challenge the 2.2 ghz fx-51?

via's are not the best of chipsets but they were the 1st out...
lets see what happens when presshott comes out eh
January 5, 2004 4:20:38 PM

You guys are funny; get so touchy about processors, almost like someone called your momma fat or something.

Now I don’t follow the posts that you guys make, and who are the trolls, but darko KrazeIke’s comment was funny. Have no sense of humor? Part of the comment was the fact that you two were polar to each other and it would make for an interesting combination. But who am I to say, maybe he needs to put <sarcasm></sarcasm> to prevent people from taking him seriously.

The AMD FX line is the extreme line, similar to the P4 EE, so it makes sense why it takes a P4 EE to challenge it, almost a DAH on that one. And really, for all intensive purposes, the AMD 64 should blow the P4 out of the water no questions asked because it is a new architecture, and the P4 is beginning to date itself. However the fact remains that is doesn’t. In fact more often than not the P4 will out do the AMD chip…. Makes me think that their whole numbering system is off, where what they call a AMD 3200+ really should be labeled a AMD 3000+. Like other people have said, wait for the Prescott to be making comparisons.

The AMD 64 is only semi 64 any ways. You stick a 64 chip in a 32bit world and you can only use 32bits. Only some of the drivers out there for vid cards have any 64bit support. Windows isn’t even to the 64bit state yet. You can say Linux all you want, but face it, Its not mainstream until MS is behind it. Sad as that might be, it’s the truth. We are not ready for 64bit yet, it’s good that someone is pushing for it, but not there yet. And for all we know, Intel could make its own 64bit system and MS will make that the 64bit extension they support making the AMD 64bit stuff useless. Nothing is future proof.


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January 5, 2004 5:31:49 PM

Re: With considerations everyone in their dog is aware of the nForce3 chipset problems, A64 motherboard BIOS issues, poor overclocking potential of the chipsets, lack of very common features on certain chipsets such a Serial ATA, Gigabit and the like.

I did heard this first release of nForce3 is not quite as good a performer as the others it's still very fast though, but nothing else so please enlighten me and my dog how A64 motherboards are junk.

Bios issues, don't all motherboards have issues? Why do all motherboard manufactuers constantly release updated bioses, These bios problems you speak of do they affect all A64 motherboards?

Poor overclocking potential of the chipset. I thought it was the CPU that was limiting the overclocking with these things. I could be wrong there but that is what I thought.

lack of very common features on certain chipsets such a Serial ATA, Gigabit and the like.
You can clearly see below that Serial ATA is available in fact it looks quite feature rich to me.


So in regards to the below quote do you still think its an accurate (fair) description of A64 boards. If yes then no one should buy the A64 CPU because there is nothing worthy of putting it in. Is that what you are trying to say here?



"How about the fact that every...single...motherboard for the A64 currently on the market is junk"



Below, A couple of boards I grabed of the Gigabyte website.

GA-K8NNXP
nForce3 150 chipset

Supporting the revolutionary AMD AthlonTM64 processor, the GA-K8NNXP brings new levels of performance and features to the desktop platform. The brand new AMD AthlonTM64 processor is furnished with unprecedented framework consisting of AMD¡¦s 64-bit computing platform, HyperTransport Technology, and internal DDR400 memory controller to boost the overall performance. Accompanied with the innovative designs of AthlonTM64, the advanced NVIDIA nForce3 platform processor and Gigabyte¡¦s unique technology also contribute to the functionality and stability of this platform. One of the added features includes the patented Gigabyte Dual Power System (DPS), aimed to enhance the computing power and steadiness of the system. The industry¡¦s first IEEE 1394b controller from T.I. is integrated for the high-speed interface of future Audio/Video devices. Another feature is the Dual LAN, equipped for establishing the traffic between two separate networks to ensure rapid transfer of data from WAN to LAN. The IEEE1394b, Serial ATA and IDE RAID provide superior input/output performance and data protection. Gigabyte¡¦s GA-K8NNXP definitely represents the uppermost platform for today¡¦s computers.



GA-K8VT800
VIA K8T800 chipset

Supporting the revolutionary AMD AthlonTM64 processor, GA-K8VT800 delivers the most cost effective platform and brings new levels of performance and features to the desktop systems. The brand new AMD AthlonTM64 processor is furnished with unprecedented framework consisted of AMD¡¦s 64-bit computing platform, HyperTransport Technology, and the CPU-integrated memory controller to boost the overall performance. Accompanied with the innovative designs of AthlonTM64, the advanced VIA K8T800 chipset and Gigabyte¡¦s unique technology also contribute to the functionality and stability of this platform. The high speed Fast Ethernet interface is equipped for establishing the efficient broadband connection to the internet. The Universal Audio Jack (UAJ), a brand new audio feature, is designed to provide better user experience during installation of audio devices. With up to 150MB/s data transfer rate, the Serial ATA interface provides superior input/output performance and data protection. GA-K8VT800 is the great choice for full-function platform applied in home and office environment.

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
January 5, 2004 5:33:11 PM

Just as a point-

Comparing the FX and EE is comparing an apple to an apple.

Comparing the FX or EE to a standard P4 or AMD64 or XP is comparing an apple to an orange.

The fx and ee are both high end chips and not for general consumption. To expensive to fairly compare. If you want a fair comparison stick inside the product class you are dealing with.

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January 5, 2004 5:50:34 PM

Man yer a pit bull go out and buy one already.

-taitertot

I carry the legacy of one of your fallen; let us remember him fondly for he is always watching.
January 5, 2004 6:03:09 PM

Ya no doubt I can fly off the handle sometimes.

I'll be keeping my current setup for a while yet. If I was to upgrade in the future it would most likley be with a 939 socket board with an overclockable and cheap FX-CPU. If Intel offers more bang for the buck then I'll go Intel.

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
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