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3700+ in March: 2.4Ghz, 1MB cache...

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January 19, 2004 1:42:08 PM

A bit on the tabloid side, but the inquirer has just posted <A HREF="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13701" target="_new">this news</A> about A64 3700+ coming out in March... It's expected to be clocked at 2.4Ghz, with 1MB cache, and maybe - just maybe - feature 1Ghz HT bus...

This is expected to clash against the 3.4Ghz P4EE or P4E, or maybe even 3.6Ghz... On alderwood, for top-of-the-line contests, with DDRII-533. Personally, I hope that, for Intel's own good, they activate their Yamhill parts and ramp up Prescott from 17x200 = 3.4Ghz to 13x266 = 3.46Ghz, with 1066Mhz FSB... This probably wouldn't increase heat a lot over the 3.4E, but it would increase performance! So they can compete! They'll have a very hard time if they don't take any measures... AMD is turning out to be quite strong nowadays... Good for us, consumers. This way, they can squeeze the most performance out of each other, and we just... enjoy the show!

What do you guys think?... Is Intel going to fight back hard enough?... Will AMD retain superiority in the near future?...

P.S.: P4,P4A,P4B,P4C,P4<b>E</b>? What on earth happened to the letter "D"? :lol: 

:evil:  <font color=red><b>M</b></font color=red>ephistopheles
January 19, 2004 3:39:49 PM

Pentium 4D, that was probably supposed to have been prescott, or will be I suppose.

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January 19, 2004 3:40:26 PM

That's easy. Same place 13th floor is.
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January 19, 2004 5:00:11 PM

Im bored today, I have off from school for Martin Luther King jr. day and have always wondered how much the HT bus actually effects the A64. Im going to benchmark it to see how it does at 800, 600 and 400mhz. I was going to do it last night but the eagles lost and i got wasted. Any good CPU tests that would fill the bus up real nice? Im going to run the standard 3dmark03 and 3dmark01 and maybe sisoft sandra. Any others you can suggest?

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January 19, 2004 5:06:05 PM

Hm, 3dmark is probably not the best for that. You could use SiSoft Sandra's memory benchmark.

Yes, I think memory bandwidth benchmarks are probably your best bet. Unfortunately, I don't know many good ones... I've only had some experience with Sandra....

Alternatively, you could set up a RAMDISK and benchmark it as if it were a HDD... That would be worthlessly complicated, though...

:evil:  <font color=red><b>M</b></font color=red>ephistopheles
January 19, 2004 5:41:57 PM

Hm ... is it possible that you benchmark for us your system using various timings for the memory? (2-3-2-6, 2-4-4-8, 2.5-3-3-6, etc)
January 19, 2004 5:47:50 PM

I believe that the near feature (Q1 Q2 Q3 2004) belongs to AMD. The only real way I see Intel fighting back in 2004, is if AMD can't manage to stick to their 90nm roadmap. I will personally wait for 2005 and Tejas though. I didn't expect anything great from Prescott anyway.

Btw, I thought S754 was going to stop at 3700+ but The Inquirer has talked torady about the release of a 4000+ CPU as well. If this is true, these are great news for all existing owners of S754 mobos. And I really can't see any technical difficulties for AMD releasing such a processor, unless some stupid marketing people prevent it for some reason!
January 19, 2004 6:15:57 PM

But the memory controller is not affected by HyperTransport... It's working at full speed...

I think SPECviewperf 7.1 would be better for this. In the AMD64 chipset roundup, this was the application that seems to suffer the most from the HT 600 of the nForce 150 Chipset.
<A HREF="http://www.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20040105/athlon..." target="_new">http://www.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20040105/athlon...;/A>

Of course, with a few games we would see how much HT would impact them. I don't think it's a lot, because this ChipSet roundup did not made the nForce 150 look that bad. Not the fastest chipset, but no big difference in peformance.

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January 19, 2004 6:29:13 PM

Try compression testing...good ol' WinRAR should work.

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January 19, 2004 6:29:21 PM

Erm... I checked on that, and apparently, you're right. Sorry... So much for those chips with no northbridge...

:evil:  <font color=red><b>M</b></font color=red>ephistopheles
January 19, 2004 6:31:08 PM

I think we are too much involved in THG Community!
I go back to work!

:smile:

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January 19, 2004 6:33:32 PM

Quote:
I believe that the near feature (Q1 Q2 Q3 2004) belongs to AMD.

I think that the only real way that they could compete would be getting the FSB up to 1066 and launching a 14x266 = 3.73Ghz Prescott to go with Alderwood and grantsdale. This would make i915 and i925X backwards-compatible with 800Mhz and DDR1... They might even put out a 3.46Ghz with the 3.73Ghz, and create a 34xx to compete well with 3400+! That would be perfect for them. Plus, a 3.73Ghz would be a tad faster than the 3700+ in name... as well as the 3.46. For peace of mind. (and marketing)

Anything short of this (or possibly activating hidden tech inside Prescott's monstrously transistor-crowded core) is probably not enough to match AMD's momentum right now. Apparently.

:evil:  <font color=red><b>M</b></font color=red>ephistopheles
January 19, 2004 8:34:42 PM

I ran a couple of benchmarks in Sandra and 3d mark, it did absolutely nothing. I'll post them in the in a few minutes. Next weekend I will run some different ones and try to find something that is actually affected by the HT speed. I'll also change the memory timings and see how it effects everything.

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January 19, 2004 8:48:14 PM

Hm... keep us posted. This is highly interesting. This will tell us if AMD's increase will make any difference - they will increase HT bus from 800 to 1000Mhz by march... or so it would seem.


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January 19, 2004 9:22:02 PM

good to know the 3700 and 4000 will be for both sockets.

Intell is certainly taking a beating.They suppositely had their prescott/yamhil ready for release at anytime;but instead released the p4ee to compete with the amd's 64s,making it look like they had nothing up their sleeves after all.Looks like amd will be first choice at least for the next year.I hope amd and intel pommel each other-so good for us.
January 20, 2004 6:49:38 AM

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I believe that the near feature (Q1 Q2 Q3 2004) belongs to AMD.

I think that the only real way that they could compete would be getting the FSB up to 1066 and launching a 14x266 = 3.73Ghz Prescott to go with Alderwood and grantsdale. This would make i915 and i925X backwards-compatible with 800Mhz and DDR1... They might even put out a 3.46Ghz with the 3.73Ghz, and create a 34xx to compete well with 3400+! That would be perfect for them. Plus, a 3.73Ghz would be a tad faster than the 3700+ in name... as well as the 3.46. For peace of mind. (and marketing)

Anything short of this (or possibly activating hidden tech inside Prescott's monstrously transistor-crowded core) is probably not enough to match AMD's momentum right now. Apparently.

Is PCI Express going to be a factor in this? Will there be PCI Express mobo's out for AMD in a similar timeframe as for Intel? Sorry if this is a silly question.


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January 20, 2004 8:00:16 AM

Yes, PCI-E mobos for AMD processors will be released in a similar timeframe as for Intel.
January 20, 2004 8:18:46 AM

P4D? what happened to P5 thru P39?
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