amd's still have a bad rep???

Unless you're heavily involved in video rendering or such like, I've always found AMD processors to be better value for money and more than adequate for my standard computing and gaming needs.

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I like AMD CPU's myself... I've ran them since the i gig Tbird.. Had to have that chip because of the 1 gig barrier.. I ran that until I went to the XP 2500... Now I'm on A64 3500 Winchester & love the chip!!!!

I've lost track of how many gaming machines I've sold on AMD based platforms... Come to think about it, I've never built using Intel... [shrug]



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i stand corrected, was working in PC world (uk & irl comp shop/ sh*thole) at the time and kept getting issues with them, never used one myself so can't say wether it was bad system design or the chip, always just assumed the latter. although come to think of it all the systems were compaq...

anywhoo, very glad to see i'm not on my own in my past and current preference of them, was getting a wee bit concerned about peoples perceptions. obviously restricted to the no-cluebiens thankfully.

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I propose a new benchmark system. Instead of A64 3500+ vs P4 3.6 GHz we should do:

A64 $250 vs
P4 $250

and see who wins. That's how all benchmarks should be done

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Right now, I don't really think Intel processors are better than AMD <i>in any way.</i> Their newest processor release is just now drawing even with A64 in terms of technology and features and still is not as fast. Not only that but they draw far more power, create more heat, cost more.

AMD? More performance in almost every application and significantly better performance in games, less power, less heat, and less cost. Yeah...AMD sucks.

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oh sorry, heheh.

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Well I have to say this for AMD, in all my builds for myself, family, friends, and customers, with Intel and AMD processors, not yet has an AMD CPU failed, but Intel has. I know you can get a lemon in anything but as far as CPU failure, Intel 2, AMD 0, maybe the next AMD I buy will be the first bad one, but the next CPU I buy will be AMD. Also I've built 3 times as many AMD as Intel machines, as far as CPU failures, that is a bad track record in anyones book. At this point the only way I'll have an Intel CPU, is if someone gave it to me.

interesting enough, i have never had a failed intel(i cant anything about amd as i have never used one) but i have melted a few

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Twitch I disagree big time. I dunno if you're reading AMDZone or something , but the P4 clearly does well in rendering.
Unfortunately THG switches too often their benchmarks. If you check back to July 2004, this <A HREF="http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040601/socket_939-23.html" target="_new">article</A>
shows you a strong delta that likely will not have shrunk since the FX-55 launched, of the P4's strength in multimedia. Additionally, I noticed that when A64s were out and benched, THG switched the Lightwave render file they used to use, so that now the A64 looked on par with the P4. This isn't quite the case everytime though. From what I remember, even with SSE2 the Pentium 4 in 3D rendering usually does better than the A64, aside from video which often uses SSE2. HT also boosted a lot in 3dS Max.

Mind you I am upgrading to another AMD system. But I will defend the P4 where it stands reason to have a thumbs up. The new 600 series definitely is better than before. It still doesn't excuse the poor job they did with the Prescott (a core I love architecture-wise, but not in practice), but it patches up a hell of a lot and adds some really nice features, most that AMD had previously. Now if they switched to an SOI process, I'd be scared if I were AMD. That technology made the A64 a powerhouse that can't fry an egg!

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The good thing lately with AMD's newest A64s is they actually do live up to their model number most of the time.

The 3800+ is as good if not better than the 3.8GHZ P4.

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I'm not sure I am following you with what multitasking and channel (what, memory channels? P4s use dual channel) has to do with games. If anything, Intel is much better suited for multitasking, with HT.
AMD's advantage lies and remains in the integrated memory controller. Without it, the Athlon would never have been able to come back competing.

The Northwood C was and still is one of the best P4 incarnations IMO. Performing, and above all, a helluva powerful overclocker, and ran very cool. For a while 0.13m P4s were some of the cooler CPUs vs AMD.

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Well Wusy we cant get an AMD64FX for less then $1,500 Canadian up here so I guess you could proly get a Intel P4 for less then $500 now so the Intel guys would be driving nails into AMD's coffin lid aside from the 64 bit Option the AMD's offer the Intel CPU's are still clocked faster and now much cheaper to purchase.

Until the 64 OS is completed and optimised and game manufacturers and software designers go totally over to the 64 bit application structure Intel is now the lead horse in value for your money. A complete turn around from the position many voters had in favour of AMD over Intel because AMD used to cost less. Now that can not be claimed and AMD has forced their horse out into the lead in a break wind effort. I can only hope the break wind part leads to a victory and it is not associated with the rectal part of windage if none of the software engineers fail to pick up on 64 bit software.

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Intel has implemented EM64T (AMD64) in the new 600 series and the 500 series as well (with the ones ending with xx1).

BTW a price drop was issued recently it seems. 3800+ no longer 800$, now 537$ at PC Cyber!
Will have RBC price match them.
4000+ also down from nearly 1000$ to 800$. Nice price drop.

Anyways, the P4 is still expensive to buy nowadays if you choose to use a DDR2 platform (almost pointless IMO, and boards cost a whopping 300$ usually, price gouged like hell if you ask me, not including DDR2 RAM pricing).

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wrt the K7 revelation, perhaps i have my models mixed up here, if the K7 is the model i think it is then it was the one that came before the t'bird... in any case, that's the one i mean. as for the K6-2. i would be surprised to find anyone arguing with me on that issue, although i would be very interested in hearing an argument to defend it nonetheless. i've had a K6-2 in a fujitsu laptop for 5 years now and it has not been fun.

on the whole multitasking and channel switching thing, what i was trying to say and possibily could have phrased better was related to an article i read many years ago which dealt with the main differences between the P4 and Athlon fundamental operating principles. it dealt with registry types, locations and interconnections, and how data was passed through them. one of the more interesting points in the article, and the one which stuck in my head was along the lines that the P4 can only switch between tasks once it has complete an operation/function/routine/none of these are quite the word i'm looking for.... d*mnit. anyway, the althon can accept an interrupt at anytime, regardless of what it is doing. this quality lends itself well to multitasking and is supposedly one of the factors making it better for gaming.

sorry that's such a mess, i'll try and find that article tonight so i can explain it a bit more clearly.

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Rarest things ever for a CPU to fail? Nah. Happens quite regularly at our data center. Not quite as frequently as drives, but plenty often.

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im not reckless, im just curious...

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Nope, not me. You may want to ask ksoth, though.

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The K7 is the Athlon A, B, C, AthlonXP, all of the Athlon cores in other words, until A64, FX, Sempron 3100+ and Opteron.

The first K7 was named Athlon, though I forget the actual core name. In any case, that one was a serious step up. It matched and exceeded Intel in almost all disciplines and when it did, it was arse-raping. There is no way one can claim it wasn't amazing without being an Intel fanboi.

I don't know where you got the assumption about me praising the K6-2 though, because I wasn't.

It's been a while since I've read the P4 intro article. Perhaps you are refering to OOO execution? In anycase, Hyperthreading makes the P4 a much better multitasker than the Athlon. That can't be disputed easily. Just having an FPS load while you scan the system and notice no slowdown is an example of HT in action.
I don't deny that Athlons are also strong in multitasking though. I think I had seen a comparison benchmark on multitasking somewhere, but I forget where. I think the P4 excelled there.

BTW your description of multitasking isn't really "multitasking" per se. If one task is being executed in the pipeline at once, then I'm not sure it is really multitasking, just doing a better job getting both things done as fast and efficiently as possible. So I don't know if that qualifies the Athlon as a better multitasker, just a faster "task switcher" .

Some of the things that make the Athlon stand out in gaming though are the execution unit amount. You have 3 more at your disposal than the P4. Its L1 cache is humongous. It has 3 x86 decoders IIRC (again it's been a while since I have read on the K7, so I may be wrong, but I do know it has a lot of decoding units versus the P6 and P7).
So much more factors in, but those alone make the K7 more potent at simulating parallelism, the x86 architecture's weakness.

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I still say that given the bang for the buck...you gotta go with AMD. If I had 350 dollars to spend which cpu and mobo do I buy??

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