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February 4, 2004 5:58:30 AM

You kinda scared me when you said "Do not buy AMD".

Doh~!
February 4, 2004 10:46:24 AM

You might want to change the Title to something like mine...no point in starting a flamewar with people because they didn't read your actual post.

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February 4, 2004 12:41:48 PM

Thanks for the info.
February 4, 2004 5:43:36 PM

i did not post that to begin flamewar, it is a piece of usefull info i wanted as much as users have an idea about it

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February 4, 2004 6:18:24 PM

yes but edit you first post to change the title...

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February 4, 2004 6:20:24 PM

good god people, its fine the way it is. it got your attention didnt it? i bet you had weapons drawn before you even clicked the link didnt you?

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February 4, 2004 6:36:03 PM

hehe... I could honestly care les accully im not much of an AMD fan...

but i know some poeple who are...spose your right though... its gets your attention.

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February 4, 2004 6:52:19 PM

*BANG* *BANG*

Oh oops!

or was I supposed to say "my baby shot me down"?

hmm... I'm so confused these days.


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February 4, 2004 8:14:40 PM

what?

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February 4, 2004 8:20:35 PM

i wonder if they are going to reduce the prices a lot. If yes then intel is realy gonna get his ass kicked in the budget range...

Athlon 2700xp+ (oc: 3200xp+ with 200fsb) , Radeon 9800pro (oc: 410/370) , 512mb pc3200 (3-3-3-2), Asus A7N8X-X<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by coylter on 02/04/04 05:21 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
February 4, 2004 9:37:16 PM

Thank you Blue no flame war here as every computer person on the planet knows as of last week that if you want the Best CPU on the planet then you get the best CPU on the planet.

I will however look for another 3200+ at less then $500.00 Canadian in a few months they should drop to around $400.00 Canadian.

I had to pay for my 3200+ Four months back and it was expensive but worth every penny I have never had a better CPU in either Intel or AMD for gaming, it's simply a fact the thing kicks Online Multy Player Ass I win every damn game now.

My 2800+ Barton cost almost $400.00 Can last year so we can see how the prices are changing. To bad I did not earn what I earn in Canadian Dollars but lived in the States man everything is exactly half what we pay up here for things.

Of course my Salary Canadian living in the US I would have actual thoroughbreds In the Barn as well as in the P.C.

Barton 3200+ 400MHz
A7N8X Deluxe
Liquid 12 Celsius
2x512 Crucial DDR 400 PC3200
GeForce FX5900
Two Maxtor 40Gig 8MB cach 7200rpm
SONY RW 52x/24x/52x
SONY DVD 16x/40x
February 5, 2004 1:38:15 AM

which processor is better?

A fine day!
February 5, 2004 2:55:02 AM

Uh-oh....

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February 5, 2004 3:05:26 AM

I had all 4 guns loaded....my biceps and triceps on both arms (sorry, I'm very vain....)

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February 5, 2004 5:24:52 AM

The P4EE is better, if all you want to do is brag about how much you spent on your rig.
February 5, 2004 8:38:39 AM

You said:

Quote:
i bet you had weapons drawn before you even clicked the link didnt you?


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February 5, 2004 10:53:41 AM

P4's were going for $800.00 Can up here Endy should I have built 2 computers and spent $1600.00 dollars just on CPU's or was it better that I built my wife a new XP2800+ then myself a new XP 3200+ for $800.00 in change for both CPU's.

Besides my computer is for gaming and I would never buy an Intel CPU for gaming they could have had a P4 at a garage sale for 20 bucks and I would have picked it up but I would NOT use it for gaming.

I could overclock it I suppose and use it as a coffee warmer ;)  That is about all they are good for aside from a business computer.

Barton 3200+ 400MHz
A7N8X Deluxe
Liquid 12 Celsius
2x512 Crucial DDR 400 PC3200
GeForce FX5900
Two Maxtor 40Gig 8MB cach 7200rpm
SONY RW 52x/24x/52x
SONY DVD 16x/40x<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by SoDNighthawk on 02/05/04 08:01 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
February 5, 2004 1:33:01 PM

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Barton 3200+ 400MHz
A7N8X Deluxe
Liquid 12 Celsius
2x512 Crucial DDR 400 PC3200

Haw fast you run your 3200+, with liquid cooling? 2.5GHz or more?

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February 5, 2004 1:37:44 PM

No, he runs it at stock because he has no clue on how to overclock properly.

We're talking about someone that 'overclocks' his video card by overclocking the AGP bus.

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February 5, 2004 1:46:49 PM

I taped a clock onto my mobo. Very efficient OC if you ask me...

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February 5, 2004 2:15:22 PM

Humm...

So why watercool, if you don't overclock? When have you bought your Barton 3200+?

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February 5, 2004 2:19:09 PM

Water cooling is quieter than air cooling, so I'm assuming that would be one of the main reasons. Other than that, I see no point in using it if you're not overclocking. Running a CPU a 12 C won't magically make it run longer or better than a CPU running at 30, 40 or 50 C.

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February 5, 2004 2:43:49 PM

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Water cooling is quieter than air cooling

Do you not need a fan on a water cooler's radiator? Would that not then be outside of the computer case instead of inside where the case can muffle the noise? Am I mistaken? :redface: I do not see how water cooling is quieter than good air cooling with a large low RPM fan.


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February 5, 2004 2:50:58 PM

If you have one large fan for all of your system cooling, then yeah, that would be nice and quiet. However, I have 4 case fans, CPU fan (Intel stock cooler), vid card fan, northbridge fan, and PS fan. One large, low RPM fan would definately be a lot quieter in my case.

Having the fans inside the case does muffle the noise somewhat, but not much. I believe another poster here said he also runs water cooling not to overclock, but to run his PC quieter.

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February 5, 2004 3:08:27 PM

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If you have one large fan for all of your system cooling, then yeah, that would be nice and quiet. However, I have 4 case fans, CPU fan (Intel stock cooler), vid card fan, northbridge fan, and PS fan. One large, low RPM fan would definately be a lot quieter in my case.

I am confused. :eek:  With or without water cooling, would you not still have all of those fans anyway? I thought that water cooling only cooled the processor.

Of course if noise were a problem for people there are fanless video cards (not good ones, but in the Geforce MX range) and fanless motherboards. You could purchase a case with one or two low RPM 120mm fans and a quiet power supply. Then use as many fanless components as possible. With or without water cooling that should be a much quieter computer than most, no? I just did not think that the processor's fan by itself made all that much of a difference in the grand scheme of computer fan noise.


"Sad is the elephant upon the ice who went to put on his wooly coat only to realize that he left it in his other trunk." - DeEvolution
February 5, 2004 3:16:14 PM

No this system is running at stock speeds with a couple of heat sinks from icebergDDR Memory Heatspreaders put onto the Crucial dual DDR 400 ram chips to help them keep cool as they are default settings of 8,3,3,2.5 I set them to 7,2,2,2.5 timings and they run at 230MHz but that is an option in the nForce2 chipset in BIOS for the A7N8X Deluxe the CPU is set to stock speeds.

Send me your email in the return post I will take a few bios shots with my digital camera and a few picks of the water cooled box and fan set-ups with the ram sinks working.

Barton 3200+ 400MHz
A7N8X Deluxe
Liquid 12 Celsius
2x512 Crucial DDR 400 PC3200
GeForce FX5900
Two Maxtor 40Gig 8MB cach 7200rpm
SONY RW 52x/24x/52x
SONY DVD 16x/40x
February 5, 2004 3:47:45 PM

Ok again I can say it, I have cooling fans on my graphics card the primary one then I also bolted a secondary fan above it that blows heat away from the card. I also used 2 stage epoxy and very carefully cut and fit heat sinks to fit exactly onto each memory chip for the card.

I have a CPU cooler over a FULL SOLID COPPER heat sink from SILENT BOOST running @ 21 dba attached to the top of the water cooling block on the CPU and next to that I have a Cooling fan blowing down directly on top of the Motherboard chipset heat sink. I also have that fan blowing onto the heat sinks attached to my dual 512MB DDR400 Ram sticks.

I also have a case fan blowing all extra air right out the back of the case. My Enermax Power supply is the 465 version with adjustable fan control and it has 2 fans built into that one drawing heat up off the motherboard and the other one blowing out the back of the P.C.

All of that and I can hardly hear my PC running if the T.V is on in the room next to the computer room. I did not build the case specifically for overclocking but I have had it for over 4 years it was a college project in an upgrading course I took for work.

I use the case and water cooling because I have the option to and at this point see absolutely no need to overclock the XP 3200+ as it games out the ass and I win every damn map every damn game I play in Day Of Defeat.

I have never operated any computer Intel or AMD that preformed like this A7N8X Deluxe Motherboard ver2.0 and my new 3200+ AMD CPU. Simply outstanding all around performance.

I am showing current BIOS confirmed by Aida32 of thease values;

Motherboard temp is 20 C
CPU Temp is 12 C
CPU Diode Temp is 15 C


Barton 3200+ 400MHz
A7N8X Deluxe
Liquid 12 Celsius
2x512 Crucial DDR 400 PC3200
GeForce FX5900
Two Maxtor 40Gig 8MB cach 7200rpm
SONY RW 52x/24x/52x
SONY DVD 16x/40x
February 5, 2004 4:16:56 PM

I didn't read this until a friend told me to... I just assumed it was Intel propaganda...

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February 6, 2004 3:41:11 AM

Hey sod, you should be able to get another xp3200+ soon. The price at Atic in Vancouver has hit $286can.
February 6, 2004 6:03:12 AM

The title should be:
Do not buy AMD now
February 6, 2004 7:06:04 AM

If it's new and is enough for you now then don't overclock it. OC it whenever you feel the need.
You have the privilage to do it.

A fine day!
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February 16, 2011 7:37:23 PM

TheRod asks :
So why watercool, if you don't overclock? When have you bought your Barton 3200+?

as for my reply to that. Power is friction friction causes heat.heat is bad for any6 comp no matter what make or model or brand. watercooling systems and cool areas of your home are the most excellent way of keeping your system functioning smoothly and your parts replacement bill down to a minimum. hell even those ac pads for laptops will come in handy for those of us with the smaller more compact and portable version of our comps at home. any form of cooling for your comp is a very very good thing.. even if you DON'T overclock.

so heads up and keep your comps cool guys :) 
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February 16, 2011 8:07:15 PM

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You should change the title to "AMD Sucks" for fun :) 


them's fighting words!....i like the way you think :whistle: 
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February 16, 2011 8:14:02 PM



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