Intel should be ashamed of itself over AMD 64, Tor

Intel should be ashamed of itself over AMD 64, Torvalds says

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14301

A POSTING BY LINUS Torvalds on the linux-kernel mailing list suggests that Intel should be more than a little ashamed of itself when it announced its 64-bit extensions last week.
Torvalds was replying to a post which asked whether there was any difference between X86_64 and X86-64.

He said the real name for the instruction set should be X86-64, and always has been.

Torvalds said he was "a bit disgusted" at Intel for not even mentioning AMD in its documentation or its press releases. "I'd almost be inclined to rename the thing as AMD64 just to give credit where credit is due," he said. "However, it's just not worth the pain and confusion".

He suggests that Intel people on the mailing list tell their managers that they should be "[expletive deleted] ashamed of themselves. Just because Intel doesn't care about their customers and has been playing with some other 64-bit architecture that nobody wanted to use is no excuse for not giving credit to AMD for what they did with X86-64".

He adds, however, that he's happy Intel "finally got with the program" but describes it as "pretty petty" not to even mention AMD in the documentation and "try to make it look like it was all their idea".

The INQUIRER name for Intel's 64-bit extensions is iAMD64. µ


If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart. <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by darko21 on 02/23/04 02:36 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

I would like to bring back the slogan from the last days of the Amiga scene as I remembered it... "Intel Outside"

Well, that only proves what everyone knew all along, that the Linux community (especially including Linus Torvalds) knows absolutely nothing about marketing.

AMD does not claim that their CPUs use the SSE instruction set. They use the 3DNow! instruction set <A HREF="http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_3734_3736,00.html" target="_new">(72 instructions, full SSE compatability)</A>. That makes 3DNow! an AMD trademark that no one else can use. Just as AMD64 is also trademarked so that Intel <i>cannot</i> use it.

So Intel named their instruction set X86_64, which Intel <i>can</i> trademark so that no one else can use it, unlike the name x86-64 which is an industry standard that anyone can use. Intel's X86_64 will surely be (xxx instructions, full x86-64 compatability) just like AMD did. It is all just marketing.

Well, sometimes other companies <i>can</i> use those kinds of trademarks, depending on the licensing going on. Even then however most companies will choose not to directly use those and instead create their own marketing name for product/brand recognition purposes. So it is still rarely done.

Anywhy, anyone who gets <i>that</i> upset over marketing needs a ten gallon coffee enema to wash out the stick shoved <i>that</i> far up their hiney.


"Sad is the elephant upon the ice who went to put on his wooly coat only to realize that he left it in his other trunk." - DeEvolution

I think you have one big 'LOL' coming.



A long long time ago, but I can still remember, how that music used to make me smile... <A HREF="http://www.nexus.hu/zonix/DIGGER.MID" target="_new"><b><font color=blue>Digger rulz</font color=blue></b></A><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Snorkius on 02/23/04 08:10 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

I for one applaud Intel for using a carbon copy of the X86-64 instruction set. Cross platform compatability is better for everyone.

It's not what they tell you, its what they don't tell you!

Take a pill flamethrower I'm just the messenger.

I did not write it nor did I say I support it.

I never expected intel to call it amd-whatever

Chill out you will live longer.

But it is nice to see intel following AMD for a change rather than adding blue crystals to the cpu.

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.

Well then, he was wrong on at least one count: Every company cares about their customers (else they cease to exist).

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<font color=red>Only a place as big as the internet could be home to an ego as large as Crashman's!</font color=red>

What some companies care about is how to get that last cent out of the cold dead hand.

Do you ever have any idea what your talking about?

It's not what they tell you, its what they don't tell you!

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