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The price difference is very small. Would it be better to get the 2.8e version or does it not overclock as well?
Thanks in advance for any responses.
C all the way. its faster (at least I presume, since at 3.4 they are ~equal and prescott scales somewhat better with clockspeed, which means it has to be slower at lower clockspeeds) and its less hot. Overclocking should be comparable I think, but with less excessive heat to deal with.
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ditto
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ROFL, you got the top 2 AMD fanboys giving you bad advice... Figures
Dont let the P4Man nick fool you.
The Precott has double the cache, new SSE3 instructions, .09 process, and other enhancements.
buying a new car; why buy last years model at the same price when next years new car has more to offer??
Spitfire and P4Man are both AMD fanboys, disreguard any advice from them as they are both cock blockers and would want you to buy last years technology in hopes of blocking any Prescott sales.
They overclock about the same and overclocked the Prescott has the advantage.
I actually own Prescott and speak from experience not from the AMD Fanboy handbook.
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Go away, troll. Don't confuse people who come here for help
Debating with you is useless, since you know why Northwood 2.8C is a better buy.
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I agree with Fugger. The prescott uses all new architecture, the northwood is good reliable but outdated technology. I would go for the prescott and work with it. I'm sure 1mb L2 will have significant value, plus advanced hyperthreading and improved branch prediction.
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No wonder that you're agreeing with FUGGER
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Amd fan #3 saying get the C. Dont believe us though, check out a few benchmarks. The P4e runs about 10% slower than the P4c in most apps, esp games. It also runs about 20% hotter. It may overclock well, but nobody has been able to keep it cool enough to find out.
Dont buy either, read some reviews and you will see Athlon64 is the best buy !
An Athlon64 3000+ , is faster then P4 3.2 GHz, cheaper and you dont need to take a fireinsurance.
Oh yeah, when Windows XP 64 bit comes out you will not be able to benefit from the free performence boost.
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So your going to suggest he buys new technology that is proven to give no performance advantages other the 'older' technology? How is that smart buying? You dont just buy all the latest tech, just the same as why youd buy a new car if it has known problems just becuase its shiney and new lol. Go for what is reliable and proven better, thats the 2.8c
It's not Kanavit's fault. He's just following Fugger.
Wow! Why the top 5 AMD fanboys eagerly discussing P4 here?
Ok! If your going to overclock, buy 2.8c, Read <A HREF="http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTg5" target="_new"> this </A> first if you think about overclocking Prescott.
If overclocking not an issue, then Prescott has an edge over 2.8c cause SSE3.
>The Precott has double the cache, new SSE3 instructions, .
>09 process, and other enhancements.
Like massive more heat, and worse performance at equivalent clock. But I guess that is less relevant than a 1Mb cache ?
SSE3 isnt a big deal either; if you really think you should buy a CPU to take advantage of future recompiled/optimized apps, recomending a x86-64 capable cpu would make a lot more sense. SSE3 won't bring nearly as much.
BTW kanavit, didnt use always say 'buying a A64 makes no sense because there arent any AMD64 apps out yet' ? where are those SSE3 optimized apps then ?
>They overclock about the same and overclocked the Prescott
>has the advantage.
That would require Prescott to reach >~3.5 GHz to match an equivalent clocked Northood in general, and probably closer to 4-4.5 GHz to match it in gaming performance. If you can cope with jet engine noise required to cool that, don't mind heating your house and your neighbours house, by all means enjoy the few percent better performance over Northwood at those speeds. But if you actually buy a computer to work/game on, and not just for competing in 3Dmark competitioins, at 2.8 GHz, Northwood makes more sense, and you know it.
To the original poster: if you are not sure which "fanboys" to trust, just read some reviews on prescott on any website you wish; they will all tell you the same: it makes no sense over NW. Once prescott reaches >3.6 or a new stepping dramatically reduces heat output, things may or may not change, but as it is, for the same money Northwood is simply the better choice, period.
And yes, I would also consider spending $40 extra on a Athlon 64 3000+, but if that is out of your budget, or you are into overclocking, stick to northwood.
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Don't forget to look at all the reviews on Prescott, not just a few. I have gone over them, and the statement regarding Prescott's gaming performance issues are greatly exaggerated. it's not anywhere near 10% slower than Northwood. In fact, @ Xbit labs the prescott pretty handily beat the Northwood chip @ same clockspeeds in 3dmark2001se. Don't judge prescott based on only 1 review site. Prescott had a very strong showing in THG too in 3dmark03 and X2 rolling threat.
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<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Kanavit on 02/27/04 07:58 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
Kanavit and Fugger, dont start crying now, P4man his words are hard BUT true !
Suporting the losing team is never fun...
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If you have to buy now, then I would avoid the first batch of Prescotts. Prescott has potential etc., but potential isn't something you can buy; apparently, Kanavit & FUGGER live in a magic fantasy world where people can turn Williamettes into Northwoods without actually having to buy new chips. Prescott 'B' might be amazing, but that will be scant comfort for the mugs who bought the crappy 'A' version.
If a tree falls on coop, but noone is there to hear it - do less people rejoice?<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by captainnemo on 02/27/04 09:46 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
| Quote : The price difference is very small. Would it be better to get the 2.8e version or does it not overclock as well? |
The current Prescott on Socket 478 is, for all practical purposes, a joke unless you have advanced cooling at your disposal to allow decent overclocking. Major heat and power draw issues for lackluster performance. Note that the 1 MB cache and host of other IPC improvements were implemented only to make up for the inherently massive loss of IPC from the longer pipeline. Intel didn't quite make it; in most apps Prescott is slower than Northwood per clock. It does have potential with future speed grades, but the current stepping and socket is a waste of your money. Just make sure you research and read the articles out there; Anandtech and Aces's Hardware are good places to start. This discussion group is not the place to get informed, too many biased people.
As I see it, you have two sensible options for your next Intel CPU:
1. Get the tried and true 2.8c and overclock it to 3.4.
2. Wait for S775 and the new stepping of Prescott, see how much cooler it runs.
Eventually, Prescott will be the way to go. But on Socket 478 it's a dead end and anyway, do you really want a space heater in the middle of summer? Honestly, these things run freaking hot, your case fans will be exhausting a furnace.
You could go with an A64, but it has a mess of socket issues at the moment. Socket 939 has apparently been delayed, so you either get the single-channel Socket 754 or the high-latency Socket 940. Neither of which is optimal. In addition, there are issues with motherboards. The nForce3 isn't great and otherwise you're stuck with a legendary craptacular VIA chipset. Just when you want to believe that VIA's finally fixed their bugs, new ones are discovered. For the moment, I recommend going Intel.
| Quote : The Precott has double the cache, new SSE3 instructions, .09 process, and other enhancements.
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double the cache, with double the latency too.
name one program that will be using SSE3 soon. by the time one does come out, he will want to upgrade probably from a 2.8ghz
other enhancements? again , by the time they come out 2.8ghz will probably not be enough anymore
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GET 2.8C Man
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Not if FUGGER, Kanavit and SoD go down with him.
Maxtor disgraces the six letters that make Matrox.
2.8C , and if you can get the MO stepping . Forget the Prescott for right now .
The man of steel said that
Agreed. Untill the newer Prescotts are released.
How easy is it to get 3.4 on a 2.8C?
You know guys... having coop agree with you is kind of like having Charles Manson testifying on your behalf...
<font color=red> If you design software that is fool-proof, only a fool will want to use it. </font color=red>
"You know guys... having coop agree with you is kind of like having Charles Manson testifying on your behalf..."
Zoron, that would make a good sig.
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Although a new poster here at Tom's, I seem to be in the company of some real fools. FUGGER, for a lack of a better name, has no idea what he is talking about. He thinks the "double cache" has a big performance lead in the Prescott Vs. the Northwood. He hasnt done his homework. The P4e needs this extra cache due to it's pipeline construction and gains no real performance from it.
I speak as neither a AMD or Intel fanboy, just giving the facts to those who pretend to know whats going on...
Zoron, you ang FLugger are both idiots.
A Prescott runs slower then a Northwood way more heat, and still you are telling Prescott is the best buy ?
Well in fugger`s case i can understand, he get his CPU (handpicked from Intel) for free.
This way i would also talk like a retarted fool, Intel is the best buying, djeezus what an idiots on this forum !
Toms Hardware Site is a joke !
Trooper arguing with kanavit is like talking to dirt. He doesn't know what he's talking about. He just knows that Dell uses Pentiums.
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45.5k mark? 85 dollars went a long way. So did that extra 15 dollars for cooling my video card.
Lol... where is SOD on this one?
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45.5k mark? 85 dollars went a long way. So did that extra 15 dollars for cooling my video card.
well i still have to try lol.
Bah - another thread ruined by the Axis of Stupid...
*sighs*
Axis of Stupid = coop, Kanavit, FUGGER, and SoDNighthawk
This tread was already ruined when you decided to drop a line !
Besides, haw can you call my nick in the same line as Kanavit and futger ?
I tell nothing but the truet, those 2 are telling lies, look it up !
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<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by coop on 03/07/04 07:47 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
"Well in fugger`s case i can understand, he get his CPU (handpicked from Intel) for free.
This way i would also talk like a retarted fool, Intel is the best buying, djeezus what an idiots on this forum !"
wow, next you will be spewing I am from another planet and have small antlers under my cowboy hat. When you grow up you will soon realize that nothing in life is free. no clue why you keep making things up about me like you know me or anything about me but it must make you feel big and important.
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So you realy buy those EE with your own money ?
I was thinking, nobody with a brain would buy such a expensive CPU, so he will get his example from Intel...
Gues i was wrong, sorry for that 
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Coop, you're the idiot. I have recommended AMD many times in the past and continue to do so. All you can do is sit there and exaggerate the truth (in other words: LIE) to try and paint AMD in some kind of evangelical light.
Buying AMD won't save you from eternal damnation, nor does buying Intel make you the Anti-Christ. People will continue to spend their money on what they want... not what you want for them. Please, coop, your 'truth' will not set you or anyone else here free. Just STFU.
<font color=red> If you design software that is fool-proof, only a fool will want to use it. </font color=red>
fact of the matter is, if you are on intel's payroll how are your comments not going to be bias?
Another vote for NW over prescott, however i do recomend checking out what amd currently has to offer.
If it isn't a P6 then it isn't a processor
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| Quote : Bah - another thread ruined by the Axis of Stupid... |
Completely agree
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Fugger are you seriously recommending the 2.8e over the 2.8c? I cant see how anyone would recommend that? The L2 cache has higher latency, the pipline is huge and by the time anything is ready to use SSE3 the CPU will be out of date.
Im not trying to start an argument here, because im sure the Prescott has potencial...but not untill its above 3.4Ghz and not untill it says goodbye to socket478.
What exactly is it that you think the Prescott at 2.8Ghz have going for it?
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Im not on Intels payroll, are you on AMD's payroll?
The question was what to buy 2.8c or e
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of course, i advertise amd wherever i go in my username, because seceretly intel stole the design for the piii from amd. Yep i'm a 110% amd 760 fanboy.
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Damn, you must be real cheep, licking intels' balls for free.
If it isn't a P6 then it isn't a processor
110% BX fanboy
It is the same performance as the 2.8c and has the SSE3 going for it. the larger cache more than compensates for the larger pipeline. SSE3 apps are rolling out now, divx has 2 players and codeplay has updated Vectorc to support SSE3. Lots of stuff in the works now to take advantage of SSE3 including A64. Saying the CPU will be out of date by then is wrong, thats like saying the A64 will be out of date by the time it gets SSE3...
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You compete in the special olypics right?
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yep, i recon ill see you at the next event.
I find it funny how you consider people with usertitles such as piii_man and p4_man amd fanboys.
If it isn't a P6 then it isn't a processor
110% BX fanboy
The only application that I have seen that supports SSE3 and was benchmarked on the Prescott didnt recieve any performance increase from it. I can understand why you might recommend the 3.4e over the 3.4c, because the prescott scales better. But for Gods sake, you really want to recommend the Prescott for eating up huge ammounts of power and dissipating loads of heat...in the hope that maybe, just maybe it will perform 2-3% worse than the northwood?
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a 3.4e would perform worse than a 3.4c, although i'm 90% sure a 3.4e has not been released yet.
If it isn't a P6 then it isn't a processor
110% BX fanboy
even 3.0 and 3.2 ghz p4e's are hard to get
Don't get either :@
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